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8/24/2005  3:31 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

would anyone take KG over Amare?
I'd take Amare over KG, only because Amare has more heart it seems and has a frame that seems more suitable for putting on muscle.

Amare also has destroyed KG at the PF spot. But KG is more versatile, for what it counts for, but he can only play one position at once.

Amare rocks if you give him the ball and back away.
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8/24/2005  3:31 PM
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marbury doesn't make 29 mil either. Garnetts contract is insane. Just insane. I love garnett, but I would make this trade 2 or 3 years ago. Do you think He will lead us to a championship before he start to decline? I think nalod had a name for this..starphuching? is that it?
Yes, I do. I think we'd have a good lineup with marbury, crawford, szcerbiack/ariza, garnett, and jerome james. with Q and nate off the bench, Frye subbing in minutes at the 4/5, and our depth at the 4 I think we could win it all. The backcourt we'd have is better than cassell/spree and we have more depth than that t-wolves team. I think we could be at our peak in 2 years when KG is 31, marbury is 30, and the rest of our nucleus is still young. It wouldn't hurt to have KG there to bring Frye along as well for the future.


Getting KG for our entire team is pretty unrealistic but how are we suppose to get him for only TT, Taylor & Sweetney! without giving up Frye and Nate(the 2 players who actually make the deal a little realistic from Minnesota's standpoint) I'd hate to give up Nate but its KG we're talking about here! Hopefully it would only take Frye!
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8/24/2005  3:34 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
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Posted by crzymdups:

KG is old and has never won jack. No thanks.


the same can be said for marbury... I don't see how we'd turn down a trade for garnett, he's still dominant and has at least another 5-6 years left ...he's a top 3 player.


yeah but Channing F'N Frye is only 22 and will be better than KG in 2yrs and in 3yrs he will be bound for the hall of fame like KG
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8/24/2005  3:34 PM
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marbury doesn't make 29 mil either. Garnetts contract is insane. Just insane. I love garnett, but I would make this trade 2 or 3 years ago. Do you think He will lead us to a championship before he start to decline? I think nalod had a name for this..starphuching? is that it?
Yes, I do. I think we'd have a good lineup with marbury, crawford, szcerbiack/ariza, garnett, and jerome james. with Q and nate off the bench, Frye subbing in minutes at the 4/5, and our depth at the 4 I think we could win it all. The backcourt we'd have is better than cassell/spree and we have more depth than that t-wolves team. I think we could be at our peak in 2 years when KG is 31, marbury is 30, and the rest of our nucleus is still young. It wouldn't hurt to have KG there to bring Frye along as well for the future.

you make a fair point, but I am not completely sold.... To get KG I am thinking as nalod mentioned in another post, that we will have to gut our team of a lot of young talent, and to me that is not worth it..


We're not getting any closer to smelling a championship with Channing Frye and more mediocre draft picks in the 8-14 range. With KG, Larry, Marbury, Wally & co we're very close if not favorites with Larry Brown coaching!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-24-2005 3:55 PM]
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8/24/2005  3:40 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

would anyone take KG over Amare?
Because of the significant age difference you'd have to take Amare, you're talking about having one of the leagues best talents for like 10 years!!!

But if they were the same age its KG without a doubt. KG brings much more to the table, and almost every aspect of the game.
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8/24/2005  3:41 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I cannot believe this is a debate.


me either man this is F'N ridiculous! I'm so disappointed in some people! its one thing to complain about acquiring old over the hill players but acquiring a hall of famer PF still in his prime who still has 5-6years of dominance left! Give me a frickin break! I guess aome fans will complain no matter what!

Name one player you'd rather have over KG? I'll name one, Duncan! are we getting Duncan?! NO!!!! You rather have Shaq when he is clearly on the decline and can't play at the same high level because of the damage that body does on his legs! No Thanks! You rather have Lebron and be in cap hell and still hoping to land a dominant frontcourt player in order to compete with the spurs, heat, indianas of the world?! Some people are just never satisfied! we could trade for any of those players and some would still complain and say how they want to build a championship team around Channing F'N Frye! and a 5-9 PG!
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8/24/2005  3:43 PM
It's insane to not consider getting Garnett and I would trade anyone on our roster to get him.

Who cares about his age, he's only 30 which as far as I remember is still young. Plus he's missed like 15 games in 10 years, damn good genes. Who cares about his knees too, Ewings knees starting hurting him in 1986 and he still lead us to a finals.

Who cares how far he's gotten his team, and who knows what would have happened if Cassell wasnt hurt this year and Sprewell didnt mental ill out.

This is a top 3 player in the league. And BTW I still stand by that we will not get him, even if he becomes open for a trade. Chicago and LA have more to give and better situations as of now.

If it did, Hardaway, Channing Frye, Mike Sweetney, Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford and 2 1st rounders for Garnett and Wally.

Id do it in a second. You dont win in this league with a bunch of ok players, you win with superstar players or a team full of defense. We dont have either, so blah blah. Do the trade yadda yadda.

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8/24/2005  3:44 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

did you guys read the article ?

the deal is:
Hence comes New York's package. Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury have both spoken to Isiah about bringing in an athletic shot blocker and versatile big man and Kevin Garnett fits the bill. Money isn't an issue for New York. A deal which features Tim Thomas, Maurice Taylor, Anfernee Hardaway and 2 first round picks for Trenton Hassell, Kevin Garnett and Wally Szczerbiak would work under the salary cap rules and would give the Timberwolves expiring contracts (Taylor's contract expires the following season) and future first round picks.

IMO that's the only deal that we accept, and we are instant contenders.

marbs/nate
Q/Craw
Wally/Ariza
KG/Sweets
JJ/Frye

I don't think there is any filler.


No way Minnesota settles for 2 mediocre draft picks for KG when they can get a current star on the rise and a top 5 pick for him from another team!
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8/24/2005  3:46 PM
Sure Eny, you can hold my word till KG come to New Yawk.

On the other hand, I wanted to point out that giving NY KG is like handing NY the NBA championship trophy. Are wolves ready to give up and give some east team glory? That my friends, is the ultimate question. Hope all debates end painlessly.
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8/24/2005  3:48 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

would anyone take KG over Amare?


No KG carries his team to the playoffs every year. Amare needs Nash, Marion & Joe Johnson! And KG is in another class defensively!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-24-2005 3:49 PM]
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8/24/2005  3:51 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
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Posted by Silverfuel:

I cannot believe this is a debate.


Me either. KG is a once-in-a-lifetime talent and if you have the ability to get him
I agree with you about the deal being a no-brainer, but I think it's an exaggeration to call him a once in a lifetime talent. In the '90s, three players were drafted who have dominated the league (KG, Duncan, Garnett). It's too early to know what guys this decade will do but I wouldn't be surprised if Dwight Howard and Lebron are this decades version of those three. KG is probably more of a "once every 3 to 4 years" type of talent.

Yup. Throw in Chris Bosh and Okafor on that list. The NBA has some really good young bigs.


yeah but we're not getting either of those guys more expiring contracts and mediocre draft picks
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8/24/2005  3:57 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by crzymdups:

would anyone take KG over Amare?
I'd take Amare over KG, only because Amare has more heart it seems and has a frame that seems more suitable for putting on muscle.

Amare also has destroyed KG at the PF spot. But KG is more versatile, for what it counts for, but he can only play one position at once.

Amare rocks if you give him the ball and back away.


you put Nash, Marion & Joe Johnson on a team with KG and give Amare Cassell and Spree and then we'll see who has more heart! And like I said KG is in another class defensively. Defense is Amare's glaring hole. KG has none!
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8/24/2005  4:02 PM
Posted by toodarkmark:



Who cares about his age, he's only 30 which as far as I remember is still young. Plus he's missed like 15 games in 10 years, damn good genes. Who cares about his knees too, Ewings knees starting hurting him in 1986 and he still lead us to a finals.


Its amazing! the reasons people give for not wanting KG are hilarious. We were contenders in up to 99 because of Ewing and he was 37! thats 7yrs older than KG is today! Thats 7 chances at winning a championship! as opposed to none with the way the team is currently built and will continue to be mediocrely built!


I get the sense some rather see a bunch of young kids running around the court than see an actual championship!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-24-2005 4:03 PM]
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8/24/2005  4:07 PM
kg will not get moved unless they have a young stud in place. they need to have a wade or amare in place before they can move kg. so far, they don't, hence it's pointless to trade him, UNLESS it's a package that includes the #1 pick overall on draft night.
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8/24/2005  4:12 PM
KG is a real diva! But you bring him in and hold him to a higher standard.

I would extend him 2 years. I don't want to resign him at age 32 for 4 more years.

If that is all we are giving up, then in the blink of an eye. But my consipiricy theory holds water.
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8/24/2005  4:22 PM
Almost all superstars are divas. I think KG has heart and is incredibly intense. I doubt KG will be in a Knick uniform but I would not argue at all if he was coming here.
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8/24/2005  4:24 PM
When I was younger I thought you built championships through drafts. And sometimes you get lucky like San Antonio did getting a once in a generation type player. But overall you build it through intelligent trades and getting solid players in the draft. Giving alot of our extra for the 3rd best player in the league? Dream come true.


Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by toodarkmark:



Who cares about his age, he's only 30 which as far as I remember is still young. Plus he's missed like 15 games in 10 years, damn good genes. Who cares about his knees too, Ewings knees starting hurting him in 1986 and he still lead us to a finals.


Its amazing! the reasons people give for not wanting KG are hilarious. We were contenders in up to 99 because of Ewing and he was 37! thats 7yrs older than KG is today! Thats 7 chances at winning a championship! as opposed to none with the way the team is currently built and will continue to be mediocrely built!


I get the sense some rather see a bunch of young kids running around the court than see an actual championship!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-24-2005 4:03 PM]


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8/24/2005  4:43 PM
Posted by Nalod:

KG is a real diva! But you bring him in and hold him to a higher standard.

I would extend him 2 years. I don't want to resign him at age 32 for 4 more years.

If that is all we are giving up, then in the blink of an eye. But my consipiricy theory holds water.


I would re-sign KG to a max 6yr contract just to keep him in NY as a matter of fact! unless we choose to not resign him and find the next KG by building through the lottery which is never happening under Dolan. I would only trade his expiring contract to a stupid team thats wants to win now and has the next KG on their roster

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-24-2005 4:46 PM]
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8/24/2005  5:17 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Nalod:

KG is a real diva! But you bring him in and hold him to a higher standard.

I would extend him 2 years. I don't want to resign him at age 32 for 4 more years.

If that is all we are giving up, then in the blink of an eye. But my consipiricy theory holds water.


I would re-sign KG to a max 6yr contract just to keep him in NY as a matter of fact! unless we choose to not resign him and find the next KG by building through the lottery which is never happening under Dolan. I would only trade his expiring contract to a stupid team thats wants to win now and has the next KG on their roster

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-24-2005 4:46 PM]
who is the next KG though!?
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8/24/2005  5:21 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Nalod:

KG is a real diva! But you bring him in and hold him to a higher standard.

I would extend him 2 years. I don't want to resign him at age 32 for 4 more years.

If that is all we are giving up, then in the blink of an eye. But my consipiricy theory holds water.


I would re-sign KG to a max 6yr contract just to keep him in NY as a matter of fact! unless we choose to not resign him and find the next KG by building through the lottery which is never happening under Dolan. I would only trade his expiring contract to a stupid team thats wants to win now and has the next KG on their roster

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08-24-2005 4:46 PM]
who is the next KG though!?


exactly my point lol

oh wait Channing Frye is...my bad!
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