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roblackman
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7/14/2005  2:03 AM
It's too easy to say "he's lazy and lacks motivation" without really knowing if it's true or not--if I was playing with the Sonics and the guards kept jacking up threes all game, I would feel a little unmotivated also. His stats are good for the minutes he played--it's not like he was slacking on the court--lazy players do not rank in the top 5 in blocks per 48! Hell, he averaged 4.6 blocks as a senior in college...doesn't sound like a lazy person to me.

[Edited by - roblackman on 07/14/2005 02:03:35]
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7/14/2005  2:03 AM
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Posted by MikeFromNY:

If there were better players available for the MLE, then I'd be upset.

exactly... those of you who think frye could have started at C are kidding yourselves.

It's not about starting Frye, it's about not being a mediocre, capped out team forever, which is the worst thing to be in the NBA.

if we let TT& penny slide off the cap, and trade rose, taylor, and jyd for expiring deals, then you can complain about our cap situation but until then you have no argument. what are we supposed to do? go through the next 2 or 3 seasons and not sign anyone, not extend ariza, and then maybe be only a few mil under the cap...please.

[Edited by - jaydh on 07/14/2005 01:48:45]

Yes, rebuild, like Isiah said.

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/11213178198860.xml&coll=1

you cant just all of a sudden shave 50mil off payroll. its a gradual thing.

Then why not get some lottery picks in the interim instead of mediocre stop gaps like James? And how does acquiring Marbury's $20 million per year salary aid getting under the cap?
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7/14/2005  2:03 AM
Knicks plug hole with 7-1 James
Thursday, July 14, 2005
BY DAVID WALDSTEIN
Star-Ledger Staff

Knicks president Isiah Thomas plugged a gaping hole in the middle of his team yesterday when he came to terms with 7-footer Jerome James on a five-year contract, according to James' agent, Marc Fleisher.

James, who spent the past four years as a substitute with the SuperSonics, will be 30 in November. Perhaps the most impressive thing about James is his size, something the Knicks have sorely lacked since trading Nazr Mohammed last February. James is 7-1, 272 pounds, has a knack for blocking shots, can run the floor and has a soft touch around the basket.

But a career reserve, he has never had the chance to play more than about 16 minutes a game, which is why he wanted to join the Knicks.


"Jerome liked the fact that he would get the opportunity for playing time," Fleisher said. "He liked the fact that they had no real center."

The Knicks are not allowed to comment on players until after the moratorium on free-agent signings later this month. Thomas is still looking at the possibility of a sign-and-trade deal for players like Stromile Swift, Antoine Walker and Donyell Marshall.

James agreed to sign for the midlevel exception to the salary cap, which allows teams over the cap to spend a finite amount of money (about $5 million for the first season) on a free agent. He is expected to make about $30 million over the life of the contract, according to a person familiar with the deal.

The Knicks are going to ask the SuperSonics if they are willing to do a sign-and-trade deal, which would allow the Knicks to use their one midlevel exception on someone else, but it is unlikely a match will be found with Seattle. The Sonics are more apt to just let James go.

A former Florida A&M star who was taken by the Kings in the second round of the 1998 draft, James averaged 4.9 points and 3.0 rebounds in 16.6 minutes for Seattle last year. Over his five-year career, he has averaged 4.9 points and 2.3 rebounds in 15.2 minutes. Thomas was looking for a shot blocker and James has averaged 1.3 over his career.

But in terms of blocks per 48 minutes, he has 4.01, which is seventh in the league. Unfortunately, he also tends to get into foul trouble. James was ranked second in the league in fouls per 48 minutes with 10.1 behind former Sonics teammate Danny Fortson.

James likes to run the court, which is part of what made him so attractive to the Knicks, who are planning to push the ball up the court more under their new younger/athletic mantra.

The one knock on James is that he lacks motivation at times, but perhaps filling the role of starting center for the Knicks will get him going. Certainly he played well when it counted most this year. He averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 rebounds in 11 playoff games.

please, for the love of god, be a sign and trade for jyd, malik or mo for 3 years, please please please...
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7/14/2005  2:06 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Knicks plug hole with 7-1 James
Thursday, July 14, 2005
BY DAVID WALDSTEIN
Star-Ledger Staff

Knicks president Isiah Thomas plugged a gaping hole in the middle of his team yesterday when he came to terms with 7-footer Jerome James on a five-year contract, according to James' agent, Marc Fleisher.

James, who spent the past four years as a substitute with the SuperSonics, will be 30 in November. Perhaps the most impressive thing about James is his size, something the Knicks have sorely lacked since trading Nazr Mohammed last February. James is 7-1, 272 pounds, has a knack for blocking shots, can run the floor and has a soft touch around the basket.

But a career reserve, he has never had the chance to play more than about 16 minutes a game, which is why he wanted to join the Knicks.


"Jerome liked the fact that he would get the opportunity for playing time," Fleisher said. "He liked the fact that they had no real center."

The Knicks are not allowed to comment on players until after the moratorium on free-agent signings later this month. Thomas is still looking at the possibility of a sign-and-trade deal for players like Stromile Swift, Antoine Walker and Donyell Marshall.

James agreed to sign for the midlevel exception to the salary cap, which allows teams over the cap to spend a finite amount of money (about $5 million for the first season) on a free agent. He is expected to make about $30 million over the life of the contract, according to a person familiar with the deal.

The Knicks are going to ask the SuperSonics if they are willing to do a sign-and-trade deal, which would allow the Knicks to use their one midlevel exception on someone else, but it is unlikely a match will be found with Seattle. The Sonics are more apt to just let James go.

A former Florida A&M star who was taken by the Kings in the second round of the 1998 draft, James averaged 4.9 points and 3.0 rebounds in 16.6 minutes for Seattle last year. Over his five-year career, he has averaged 4.9 points and 2.3 rebounds in 15.2 minutes. Thomas was looking for a shot blocker and James has averaged 1.3 over his career.

But in terms of blocks per 48 minutes, he has 4.01, which is seventh in the league. Unfortunately, he also tends to get into foul trouble. James was ranked second in the league in fouls per 48 minutes with 10.1 behind former Sonics teammate Danny Fortson.

James likes to run the court, which is part of what made him so attractive to the Knicks, who are planning to push the ball up the court more under their new younger/athletic mantra.

The one knock on James is that he lacks motivation at times, but perhaps filling the role of starting center for the Knicks will get him going. Certainly he played well when it counted most this year. He averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 rebounds in 11 playoff games.

please, for the love of god, be a sign and trade for jyd, malik or mo for 3 years, please please please...

only way they'd do that is if we threw them a pick.
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7/14/2005  2:23 AM
Well for all those guys looking to sign someone who could give you 1.4 blocks in around 15 minutes per...you got him in Jerome James. Well we knew he was gonna cost the MLE, and I was just holding out hope that if we did it, it would be for no more than 3 yrs, but unfortunately it looks like the deal is 2 years too long.

On the brightside of things, numberswise, he's reasonably productive for the time he's on the court. He's got some skills. He can block shots, score a little and can board (was much better in past years at rebounding than this past season). He has had stretches (albeit small) of more than just competence.

On the negative side, he's a dog who doesn't play up to his skills. He's a foul MACHINE. 10.1 fouls per 48 minutes. You may want to play him for 25-30 mpg, but you physically can't.

Now that the dog has his day, will he even try any more? He's got about 30 mil guaranteed in his pocket. I like the idea of getting someone who can play some minutes and take pressure off of Frye while he develops, but I question (like everyone else here) if Jerome was the right guy. Maybe he's changed...but usually guys like this don't...
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7/14/2005  2:25 AM
By the way, does anyone have that article on James which basically said the reason he did so well in the playoffs is that he didn't try to block everything, and that kept his fouls down? I know someone posted it here at some point. That article might make people (me included) temporarily feel better.
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7/14/2005  7:52 AM
Posted by crzymdups:



Business as usual at the Garden. "Shocker for the Knicks, an over the hill scrub who plaed 16 minutes a game for his last team and has never tried hard in his life was available for more money and more years than anyone else was willing to ante up. Highlights at 11."

What a horrible, horrible, horrible move. Jerome James? Are you kidding me?

I was excited about the direction of this team, but I should've known better. Yes, of course this team needed size in the worst way, but Hunter was available for cheaper and Kwame was there for the taking and would have cleared out the guard glut. A frontline of Kwame and Frye could conceivably be champion caliber some day. A frontline of James and what? Sweetney? With Frye off the bench?

Sigh. Stephen Hunter looks pretty good right now...


So did you want rebuilding or playoff contention? B/c you're not guaranteed playoffs at all with Stephen Hunter manning the paint. Atleast Jerome James PERFORMED for the Sonics in the postseason. I'm not thrilled per say, but I'm excited b/c I know what's coming in the next few weeks...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/14/2005  8:14 AM
Well I've always felt that Jerome James sucks and I still feel that Jerome James sucks.

Having said that, I'm glad we signed him. Why? Because a James/Frye/Butler/Rose rotation at center can be enough for now until either Frye proves himself to be a true center or we pick up someone else. i also like Q and think it's absurd when anyone calls our guard situation a "glut." i also think k Brown sucks so i'm hardly crying over that.

i have one question for the $ men out there - does this signing impact our ability to re-sign Reezy? He's still my #1 man around here.
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7/14/2005  8:20 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

like i said on another forum

i couldve dealt with james 2 years 10mm with team option for 3

IF he flopped, his contract isnt that bad to move

signing this guy for 6mm a year for 5 years is crazy i thought we were building an up tempo team?

if nazr wasnt good enough to be on a champinship team [wrong] then jerome james is? wouldnt nazr made more sense to keep if this was the case? less time on his contract adn much more mobile--a better player by any means

detroit doesnt have any 7-1 275 pound Cs they have tough players--is jerome james tough?

you cannot teach height and james was still worth 2 yrs 10mm, and Im ok with him comuing here, but the contract is just to much, i wouldve passed.

i thought we had a good draft a solid B, now looking A

but we have had a pss poor record dealing with nba vets under isiah hes biting on players nobody else wants for the price---


like goldberg said who's next?
He basically replaces Nazr, except we also got two first round draft picks in the process.
No one wants for the price? Look at how much 7' get. Dampier got tripple the money James got and Foyle got about 12 mil more than James. I'm sure some team would have given him 29 mil.
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7/14/2005  8:26 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Knicks plug hole with 7-1 James
Thursday, July 14, 2005
BY DAVID WALDSTEIN
Star-Ledger Staff

Knicks president Isiah Thomas plugged a gaping hole in the middle of his team yesterday when he came to terms with 7-footer Jerome James on a five-year contract, according to James' agent, Marc Fleisher.

James, who spent the past four years as a substitute with the SuperSonics, will be 30 in November. Perhaps the most impressive thing about James is his size, something the Knicks have sorely lacked since trading Nazr Mohammed last February. James is 7-1, 272 pounds, has a knack for blocking shots, can run the floor and has a soft touch around the basket.

But a career reserve, he has never had the chance to play more than about 16 minutes a game, which is why he wanted to join the Knicks.


"Jerome liked the fact that he would get the opportunity for playing time," Fleisher said. "He liked the fact that they had no real center."

The Knicks are not allowed to comment on players until after the moratorium on free-agent signings later this month. Thomas is still looking at the possibility of a sign-and-trade deal for players like Stromile Swift, Antoine Walker and Donyell Marshall.

James agreed to sign for the midlevel exception to the salary cap, which allows teams over the cap to spend a finite amount of money (about $5 million for the first season) on a free agent. He is expected to make about $30 million over the life of the contract, according to a person familiar with the deal.

The Knicks are going to ask the SuperSonics if they are willing to do a sign-and-trade deal, which would allow the Knicks to use their one midlevel exception on someone else, but it is unlikely a match will be found with Seattle. The Sonics are more apt to just let James go.

A former Florida A&M star who was taken by the Kings in the second round of the 1998 draft, James averaged 4.9 points and 3.0 rebounds in 16.6 minutes for Seattle last year. Over his five-year career, he has averaged 4.9 points and 2.3 rebounds in 15.2 minutes. Thomas was looking for a shot blocker and James has averaged 1.3 over his career.

But in terms of blocks per 48 minutes, he has 4.01, which is seventh in the league. Unfortunately, he also tends to get into foul trouble. James was ranked second in the league in fouls per 48 minutes with 10.1 behind former Sonics teammate Danny Fortson.

James likes to run the court, which is part of what made him so attractive to the Knicks, who are planning to push the ball up the court more under their new younger/athletic mantra.

The one knock on James is that he lacks motivation at times, but perhaps filling the role of starting center for the Knicks will get him going. Certainly he played well when it counted most this year. He averaged 12.5 points and 6.8 rebounds in 11 playoff games.

please, for the love of god, be a sign and trade for jyd, malik or mo for 3 years, please please please...

only way they'd do that is if we threw them a pick.
I could see them doing a straight deal of JYD for James. JYD is a great role player with 2 years left on his contract.
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7/14/2005  8:27 AM
You all know that some Newyorkers are hard to please. Even if we were to get Shaq, Duncan or KG, they would have still found something to bitch about...Most of the ones complaining are Nets fans, you should all know that.
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7/14/2005  8:28 AM
Posted by diderotn:

You all know that some Newyorkers are hard to please. Even if we were to get Shaq, Duncan or KG, they would have still found something to bitch about...Most of the ones complaining are Nets fans, you should all know that.
Problem is we signed Jerome not TD! I hope this works out well. We will see what the deal is with the front line. We have 2 more expiring contracts.
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7/14/2005  8:29 AM
JYD needs to be retained, because he is one of the most versatile players that we have. He can play SG/SF/PF AND CENTER. Malik and Mo T on the other hand can be dealt, because those two want to start and we don't have enough minutes to go around.. JYD doesn't complain if he doesn't get in the game, but the otherw will.
only way they'd do that is if we threw them a pick.
I could see them doing a straight deal of JYD for James. JYD is a great role player with 2 years left on his contract.
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7/14/2005  8:30 AM
Never been a fan of Jerome James, I've seen his act done before. I'm one of the biggest Isiah supporters here but I'm not so sure I like this move, especially at 5 years 30 million. If it's a sign and trade then I can live with it becuase one of our PF contracts will get shipped out and I don't mind losing the pick but if it is a straight up signing I dont like it.

James will give us one blocked shot for every 15 minutes and a boatload of questions as to most of us going "man this guy looks so good why can't he do that every game?" So for 5 million a year we now have a center that will block a shot every 15 minutes. Basically, he'll stop the other team from scoring 2 points, every 15 minutes, thats what he's getting 5 mill a year for. That's great, we needed to sign Jerome James to stop the other team from scoring 2 points every quarter and 3 minutes...

Isiah, please have something else up your sleeve here.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/14/2005 08:32:02]
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7/14/2005  8:31 AM
Let's learn to be happy with what we have. If Zeke was to waist one more day, he would have missed out on this deal. Keep in mind that he got James for half of what some of you were willing to pay Dampier. James is bigger and taller than Dampier.

Problem is we signed Jerome not TD! I hope this works out well. We will see what the deal is with the front line. We have 2 more expiring contracts.
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7/14/2005  8:32 AM
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Isiah, please have something else up your sleeve here.
I think he does have something else in motion. He has 2 expiring contracts remember?
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7/14/2005  8:37 AM
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Isiah, please have something else up your sleeve here.
I think he does have something else in motion. He has 2 expiring contracts remember?

Yeah, I remember, I'm just confused over Jeromes signing. I guess Bob is right though this must mean that a few more moves are going to follow, one of which could be Larry Brown coaching the Knicks. Maybe these 2 expiring contracts will be used to get us a big man that has fallen out of favor with his current team. Could be an interesting few weeks.
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7/14/2005  8:38 AM
Comeon man, don't be so quick to be negative about a player who has yet to dawn the uniform. I don't like to prejudge anyone especially if he comes at an affordable price tag. $5 millions for a true Center is not expensive at all. As far as I am concerned, this dude can over exceed our expectation. He has learned a lot throughout the years, especially since Adelman said what he sait about him. He is on a mission, and given the performance that he had in the playoffs, he will try his best to dupplicate that productivity. We have good people in this organization that can help him, and most of all, MSG magic alone will incite this dude to bring it. Let's face it, the media will on him every night, the fans will be on him, and let's not forget that Zeke will also be on him. Zeke will show him tapes of Laimbeer and the rest of the bad boys in action.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Never been a fan of Jerome James, I've seen his act done before. I'm one of the biggest Isiah supporters here but I'm not so sure I like this move, especially at 5 years 30 million. If it's a sign and trade then I can live with it becuase one of our PF contracts will get shipped out and I don't mind losing the pick but if it is a straight up signing I dont like it.

James will give us one blocked shot for every 15 minutes and a boatload of questions as to most of us going "man this guy looks so good why can't he do that every game?" So for 5 million a year we now have a center that will block a shot every 15 minutes. Basically, he'll stop the other team from scoring 2 points, every 15 minutes, thats what he's getting 5 mill a year for. That's great, we needed to sign Jerome James to stop the other team from scoring 2 points every quarter and 3 minutes...

Isiah, please have something else up your sleeve here.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/14/2005 08:32:02]
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7/14/2005  8:55 AM
Great, Fatspoon part II is here.

IT is moving in on Layden's legacy and winning percentage.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/14/2005  9:05 AM
Posted by simrud:

Great, Fatspoon part II is here.

IT is moving in on Layden's legacy and winning percentage.

One big difference.

THis Fatspoon is 7'1"

Imagine how many of CLarence's shots would have gone in rather than get blocked if he had been 7'1"

Seriously.
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