Posted by oohah:

I well remember JYD in college, he was a good athlete but not the run and jump athlete lee is right now

I disagree. Maybe we saw different games. I myself used to watch every Big East Game I could and I remember him streaking right along Allan Iverson and throwing down monster jams against bruising Big East frontlines. I doubt I can find a video link anymore. so I guess it just one word against another.

I have seen JYD get a few dunks but he and rose are not dunking on guys in traffic,

Then You must have missed the games I pointed out last year: one where JYD caught his own free-throw rebound in traffic and jammed it (Against full fledged NBA comp.) and another where he put it ON TOP OF A CENTER's SKULL. This was in a half court set off a baseline cut, which requires even more explosiveness (And Strength, Lee is still skinny in the chest and arms.) than rising on the break. which JYD can do as well. You also didn't see Malik Rose on Mutombo I guess.

nor are they beating anyone to the basket on their own and finishing,

Have you seen David Lee do this? Do you mean off the dribble or the nice fast break jam he had? If you are saying off a dribble move, pease show me, tell me, when.

I am so tired of all the forwards that are touted to "handle the ball like a guard" Did you know they used to say the same thing about JYD? He was a guard who sprouted late just like David Lee.

I watched David Lee bring the ball up yesterday and he looked like a decent dribbler for a big man. Most importantly he knew when to give the ball up. If I were to go by your assessment of his ball-handling skill I would be thinking Van Horn/Novitzki.

rose does so when there is a big breakdown in the defense and JYD is doing it off feeds.

Big men are supposed to do it off feeds. They don't usually lead the break or the half-court offense. If you think DL's going to be freakin' people off the dribble and slicing them up for layups, you are in for a long wait. And who wants that from Lee anyway? We need players under the basket. We already have our creators. that will not be DL's role, ever.

I think his game is more fundamentally sound than JYD, meaning he is a better passer and handles the ball much better,

That's a big statement for a player who hasn't played an NBA minute yet.

when JYD puts the ball on the floor it usually is not a good thing

Nor will it be when Lee tries dribble outside of transition type situations.

I like JYD and rose, I just think lee may be the better player down the road..

I like JYD and I can't stand Rose. I like Lee and you may well be right about him being a better player down the road. But both JYD and Rose are and have been pretty good NBA players and I think Lee's potential lies in that range. I do hope he is better, like a taller, more of a forward, less of a guard, Dan Majerle, but that is a big dream.

You'll notice that in complimenting Lee, it is not necessary for me to disparage JYD or rose.

Lee should be getting JYD and Rose minutes, he and sweetney should be getting the majority of the minutes at PF with Frye getting the majority of the minutes at center simply because he is our biggest skilled player...

I hope Lee gets better minutes than JYD and Rose minutes, those guy recorded more DNP's than anything last year. We have to cut at least one forward loose probably two. I vote for Mo taylor and Rose to go.

what are we going to gain by playing JYD and rose over lee? really? tell me?

This is a brand new statement out of left field. I responded to your description of Lee as a much better and well-rounded player than proven vets JYD and Rose.

Now I'll respond to this brand new point of yours:
When it comes to winning time, Sweetney, JYD, or Rose will get the call unless Lee is having the game of his young career. I would count on any of those guys at crunch time for defense, boards, steals, etc. than Lee yet. However, I am all for him getting a reasonable amount of minutes. And if he does outperform those guys he should get more time than they. But not until he proves it.

I am glad you are excited about his game as am I.

oohah

I think you completely misuderstood me, I did not disparage JYD or rose, if you notice I said I like JYD, but maybe you missed that, I think you also mixed someone else quote in that thread that weren't mine, unless that was your intention to respond to someone else also... Again you don't have to compliment lee at all, I am not here to drag JYD through the mud, he is a knick and I hope he can help us, I think you and I saw a different player in college because I remember him well, a good athlete but IMO just can't or didn't do the thing lee does, he just didn't have the lift, speed or agility but JYD is a good hustle player no doubt... Anyway I think long term lee has the tools to be the better player and long term he will be the better fit, I just remember watching lee in SEC competition play with florida, that team was quick and ran like crazy, and all I can remember is that lee was perfect for that system and I think he will be for the knicks system as well..

Posted by oohah:

TKF, okay, but it sure seemed like you were comparing JYD and David Lee with a lot of "David Lee can do this and JYD can't" That is what I meant, not that you have a personal dislike for JYD which I think is nearly impossible if you watch him play.

What I was really responding to was when you said you don't see the similarity between JYD and Lee in that Lee was much more athletic and skilled. I just don't think that is the case.

But the nice thing is that while we know what JYD is, Lee has plenty of possibilities--it's nice to have some rookies to be excited about for the first time since we drafted Jackson and Strickland back to back. And by the way, you could be right, Lee may be better athletically and more skilled,especially in the long run, but my point is JYD is not a slouch.

Lee looks good for a #30 pick for sure.

oohah

I agree, these are exciting times for our knicks, and no JYD is not a slouch. I like JYD and think he is a fine player, I just think that lee can be a JYD player and more. Already I think he is a quicker player, taller, more athletic and more skilled, that is no knock on JYD, but how good I think that lee can be..