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TheloniusMonk
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7/6/2005  11:21 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

all right fellas - let's all just take it easy.

we don't need these boards degenerating to non basketball arguments and snitty responses.

WHERE'S NALOD WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?!

let's keep it to bball - i don't care if you think frye sucks or he's the next shaq or duncan, but let's keep it to frye and not each other.

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I agree, we were talking basketball until we got the usual snit response from the resident degenerate poster.. just typical...

degenerate poster? jeez, when will it end. i've disagreed with people here planty of times but the whole name calling thing is pretty lame. u dudes need to just let it go.

How 'bout them Knicks?
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7/6/2005  11:21 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

all right fellas - let's all just take it easy.

we don't need these boards degenerating to non basketball arguments and snitty responses.

WHERE'S NALOD WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?!

let's keep it to bball - i don't care if you think frye sucks or he's the next shaq or duncan, but let's keep it to frye and not each other.

the previous message was brought to you by the letter Q

I agree, we were talking basketball until we got the usual snit response from the resident degenerate poster.. just typical...

look here dawg, you started with me. Now you're in agreement. You remind me of the girl that cried wolf.

i guess you're still mad cause i exposed you for the lame you are.
"Anyone who sits around waiting to hit the lottery, whether basketball or real life, in order to better their position is a loser."
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7/6/2005  11:23 PM
denegerate poster. yawn


stop using other another clown material. get your own material. nerd
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7/6/2005  11:24 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

all right fellas - let's all just take it easy.

we don't need these boards degenerating to non basketball arguments and snitty responses.

WHERE'S NALOD WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?!

let's keep it to bball - i don't care if you think frye sucks or he's the next shaq or duncan, but let's keep it to frye and not each other.

the previous message was brought to you by the letter Q

I agree, we were talking basketball until we got the usual snit response from the resident degenerate poster.. just typical...

look here dawg, you started with me. Now you're in agreement. You remind me of the girl that cried wolf.

i guess you're still mad cause i exposed you for the lame you are.

?????? go back and look at your response to my post and diderotn post... You need help.... seriously.... Your childhood must of really sucked...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/6/2005  11:27 PM
look at yu swinging on another posters' nuts
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7/6/2005  11:28 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by djsunyc:

all right fellas - let's all just take it easy.

we don't need these boards degenerating to non basketball arguments and snitty responses.

WHERE'S NALOD WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?!

let's keep it to bball - i don't care if you think frye sucks or he's the next shaq or duncan, but let's keep it to frye and not each other.

the previous message was brought to you by the letter Q

I agree, we were talking basketball until we got the usual snit response from the resident degenerate poster.. just typical...

degenerate poster? jeez, when will it end. i've disagreed with people here planty of times but the whole name calling thing is pretty lame. u dudes need to just let it go.

How 'bout them Knicks?

there are dissagreements and then there are the snit remarks... take a look at when the conversation went south.....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/6/2005  11:34 PM
*sigh*
Anyways, you gotta love Summer League. Only time you care about individual performances over a win.
Looks like Trevor had a a good overall game...except for Outlaw's 32. Can't wait til tomorrow. Throw on my #21 jersey, plop down on the couch and watch some good ol' Knick b-ball.
As long as we got some basketball on tomorrow, might as well make my usual predictions.

Ariza- 35 minutes, 21 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block .
Nate- 27 minutes, 18 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal.
Frye- 30 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks.
Lee- 20 minutes, 7 points, 8 rebounds, 1 steal.

Knicks win 98-91
tkf
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7/6/2005  11:39 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

*sigh*
Anyways, you gotta love Summer League. Only time you care about individual performances over a win.
Looks like Trevor had a a good overall game...except for Outlaw's 32. Can't wait til tomorrow. Throw on my #21 jersey, plop down on the couch and watch some good ol' Knick b-ball.
As long as we got some basketball on tomorrow, might as well make my usual predictions.

Ariza- 35 minutes, 21 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block .
Nate- 27 minutes, 18 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal.
Frye- 30 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks.
Lee- 20 minutes, 7 points, 8 rebounds, 1 steal.

Knicks win 98-91

I wonder if Howard will be on the roster tomorrow, that would be a nice test and matchup for frye....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/6/2005  11:42 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

*sigh*
Anyways, you gotta love Summer League. Only time you care about individual performances over a win.
Looks like Trevor had a a good overall game...except for Outlaw's 32. Can't wait til tomorrow. Throw on my #21 jersey, plop down on the couch and watch some good ol' Knick b-ball.
As long as we got some basketball on tomorrow, might as well make my usual predictions.

Ariza- 35 minutes, 21 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 1 block .
Nate- 27 minutes, 18 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal.
Frye- 30 minutes, 14 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks.
Lee- 20 minutes, 7 points, 8 rebounds, 1 steal.

Knicks win 98-91

I won't predict minutes, I'll just do the the numbers:

The Rza - 16 points, 7 rbs, 6 assists and 2 steals
Frye - 19 points, 8 rbs, 3 assists and 2 blocks
Nate the great - 15 points, 3 rbs, 5 assists and 3 steals
Lee - 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 block
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7/6/2005  11:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

all right fellas - let's all just take it easy.

we don't need these boards degenerating to non basketball arguments and snitty responses.

WHERE'S NALOD WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?!

let's keep it to bball - i don't care if you think frye sucks or he's the next shaq or duncan, but let's keep it to frye and not each other.

the previous message was brought to you by the letter Q

no one should say frye scks, that crazy. hes going to bounce back and have some nice games, but they have to mandate to him that he sticks his nose in there more for rebounds.

Im saying this not because its agme 1, its because this is Channing's big problem, inconsistent intensity. I laid out where he rebounded the ball 5 times or less 13 games this year, he seems to show up every other game--hopefully the Knicks work on this with him, he has to attack the basketball--what he did in college was let the rebound come to him--because hes 6-10 hes going to get rebounds or SHOULD, but with more effort and consitency with toughness, he should be pulling down 7+ EVERy game--the Knicks NEEd him too!

when they interviewed channing and herb, neither mentioned anything other than the scoring ability. they didn't air or it wasn't addressed but there was no mention of his rebounding.
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7/6/2005  11:44 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

all right fellas - let's all just take it easy.

we don't need these boards degenerating to non basketball arguments and snitty responses.

WHERE'S NALOD WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?!

let's keep it to bball - i don't care if you think frye sucks or he's the next shaq or duncan, but let's keep it to frye and not each other.

the previous message was brought to you by the letter Q

no one should say frye scks, that crazy. hes going to bounce back and have some nice games, but they have to mandate to him that he sticks his nose in there more for rebounds.

Im saying this not because its agme 1, its because this is Channing's big problem, inconsistent intensity. I laid out where he rebounded the ball 5 times or less 13 games this year, he seems to show up every other game--hopefully the Knicks work on this with him, he has to attack the basketball--what he did in college was let the rebound come to him--because hes 6-10 hes going to get rebounds or SHOULD, but with more effort and consitency with toughness, he should be pulling down 7+ EVERy game--the Knicks NEEd him too!

when they interviewed channing and herb, neither mentioned anything other than the scoring ability. they didn't air or it wasn't addressed but there was no mention of his rebounding.

i garauntee that rebounding will be one of the FIRST things that Frye is talked to about and worked with on.
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7/6/2005  11:46 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

all right fellas - let's all just take it easy.

we don't need these boards degenerating to non basketball arguments and snitty responses.

WHERE'S NALOD WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?!

let's keep it to bball - i don't care if you think frye sucks or he's the next shaq or duncan, but let's keep it to frye and not each other.

the previous message was brought to you by the letter Q

no one should say frye scks, that crazy. hes going to bounce back and have some nice games, but they have to mandate to him that he sticks his nose in there more for rebounds.

Im saying this not because its agme 1, its because this is Channing's big problem, inconsistent intensity. I laid out where he rebounded the ball 5 times or less 13 games this year, he seems to show up every other game--hopefully the Knicks work on this with him, he has to attack the basketball--what he did in college was let the rebound come to him--because hes 6-10 hes going to get rebounds or SHOULD, but with more effort and consitency with toughness, he should be pulling down 7+ EVERy game--the Knicks NEEd him too!

when they interviewed channing and herb, neither mentioned anything other than the scoring ability. they didn't air or it wasn't addressed but there was no mention of his rebounding.

i garauntee that rebounding will be one of the FIRST things that Frye is talked to about and worked with on.

just saw the highlights, frye said he felt he could score at will, and also said he needs to work on passing more, I was looking for him to talk about the rebounding or lack thereof but hey, we will see the next game..
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7/7/2005  12:05 AM
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[quote]ummer League or not, lets not make excuses for Frye, hes telling everyone he is not soft and his first game he makes a statment 3 rebounds in 30 minutes. Im all for the first game excuse after 4 years of high caliber CBB, but Channing go stick your F neck in there and get 7-8 rebounds please. I know some people will pooh pooh this, but this is an experienced 6-11 guy, why is 5-8 nate robinson outrebounding him?

my thoughts exactly

oh baby you're going to hear from me all year long about how big a mistake we made taking Frye so high!

I really don't think you're alone here. Even though I wasn't a huge fan of the pick, I'm reserving judgement until it really matters. Some of y'all, who I generally respect, have a real flair for the dramatic with your posts and statements, as if making strong definitive statements about whatever is going to make one look smart. Every showing in one game turns into the be all-say all of a player's entire career. Saying that those who are commenting negatively about Frye are those that hated the pick and are likely displaying some bias here would be a gross understatement. Certainly, Frye's rebounding numbers, and shooting percentage were not good, and Nate & Ariza apparently played well but I seem to recall a certain Knick years ago lighting up summer league after being drafter...



We can say whatever we want. 1st game he'll be fine and I respect that and I agree as well. That being said, you come into your first SL game--after talking how you arent soft, and you go out and get 3 rebounds in 30 minutes and you are outrebounded by your 5-8 PG.
Even though its the first game, you dont let it pass if you are the Knicks coaching staff. It doesnt matter if this is the funky fun bunch league, or MTV jock n rock game, go get rebounds. That would be my only remark to him tomorrow, channing forget about shooting, get me 15 rebounds, the points will come much easier. Concentrate all your efforts on getting rebounds.



I can se the post tomoorow Frye flops isiah thomas lottery pick, who he purports is a better talent than Andrew Bogut, was outrebounded by their 5-8 PG 5-3 in a loss to Prtland.

I'm very worried Frye is going to be as bad a rounder as Jason Collins in the pros. VERY WORRIED!
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7/7/2005  12:12 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Im saying this not because its agme 1, its because this is Channing's big problem, inconsistent intensity. I laid out where he rebounded the ball 5 times or less 13 games this year, he seems to show up every other game--hopefully the Knicks work on this with him, he has to attack the basketball--what he did in college was let the rebound come to him--because hes 6-10 hes going to get rebounds or SHOULD, but with more effort and consitency with toughness, he should be pulling down 7+ EVERy game--the Knicks NEEd him too!

We don't direly need him to rebound--- not as long as our guards (and scrappy bench guys) keep doing what they're doing. We should be a better rebounding team by virtue of Nate Robinson and Q Rich's excellent rebounding from the backcourt positions. Those two are killer at tracking down loose balls.

We're going to see a drastically different type of Knicks team this year... taller, faster, and more athletic. We'll win more by virtue of our better balance and depth.

It's very promising that Frye feels confident and comfortable out there offensively.
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7/7/2005  12:23 AM
sigh...maybe the reason MSG doesn't normally show the summer league games is that they're worried about fans freaking out about a SCRIMMAGE. Sure, Frye didn't rebound. I'm not too worried about it. The leading rebounder in the game had 9 rebounds and he was 5'11" - Sebastian Telfair. There are always weird stats in summer league. Qyntel Woods scored 44 pts last year I believe. Loren Woods scored 30 pts one year. This was the first thing resembling a full contact practice our rooks have had and they came in facing a bunch of guys who got a LOT of NBA burn last year in Telfair and Outlaw and even Jin. The only guy on our roster with any NBA experience is Ariza. Butler barely played in the league. You have to give these kids some time.

My god. I can't believe you guys are freaking out after the first summer league game and then acting like you would have had the patience to wait on Bynum or Green to develop. Please, please, please! Why do you think Zeke has to build a team to win NOW NOW NOW? Look in the mirror. I'll say it again - this was essentially Frye, Nate and Lee's first full contact practice against NBA caliber competition - chill out.
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7/7/2005  12:25 AM
obviously its just 1 game but based on Frye's previous history of not being a very good rebounder you would've liked to see him shoot that notion down right off the bat.

We'll see I'll give him til tomorrow
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7/7/2005  12:25 AM
Herb didn't coach...I think it was aguire...Nice game from Lee and Nate and very nice game from Ariza...once again DOMINATING the Summer league...and with the new CBA, he's a knick, so we can show him a little more...this ushers TT out of the door at the trading deadline, or he helps our cap and resigns for MoT money.

Penny is for sure gone with Nate's performance...I never really paid much attention to rebounds in the Summer league...it's more a chance for coaches to see what players have...not many players have made a roster because of their boards...with that being said...jackie Butler in my mind was non existant. 2 points? what happened to his projected 50 points a game? We definitely need a center...

Did anyone see Sundov's numbers? 5 fouls, 6 points...heck, atleast he's trying. Loving lee's line AND Nate's lines...that kind of production makes me glance over Frye's numbers...so, Zeke went 3 for 4 on draft night...Q, Nate AND Lee are a smashing success (if you believe this one summer league game)

Like I said, I'm not too concerned with Frye's numbers...as long as he gives us a yoeman (sp?) like double double each night and a couple of highlight blocks, he will be doing his job.

We knew we weren't drafting a 20/12 guy when we took him...especially with 20 shot marbs, 30 shot Q and 25 shot Crawford on the team. Frye better get his attempts in now while he can.

during the season I expect put backs, tap ins and fast break buckets from Frye, and a few blocks that lead to Ariza fast break jams...no pressure at all...if Q get's 15 - 20 and Craw get's 18 a game...marbs, will ofcourse chip in his 20 a game, that's 60 points right there...sweets is expecting to atleast give us 10 a game and the two headed MoT/Rose monster should give us an additional 15. 85 points a game and frye, nate and lee are not factored in...I didn't even bring up TT and Ariza.

So, I'm cool with this game and can't wait to see them actually play...last year i didn't watch one game...maybe paid attention to the summer totals when I was hearing the Ariza buzz...but never really cared.

Thanks to this board, I'm licking my lips waiting.

oh, it's 12:30 now...MAYBE i can stay up for the audio feed (can someone digitize it and post it?)...I know, I know, why don't I digitize it...well, I'm a hacker, and I'm sleepy.

Thanks again for a great day of reads fellas AND making me feel as if I watched todays game already.

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7/7/2005  12:35 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

obviously its just 1 game but based on Frye's previous history of not being a very good rebounder you would've liked to see him shoot that notion down right off the bat.

We'll see I'll give him til tomorrow

How about the first game of the regular season? Not to put too much pressure on a rookie to be a savior or anything. Dude, you're honestly telling me you would be patient enough to nuture Gerald Green for four years? Gimme a break. You can't throw a kid under the bus after his first full contact practice just because he wasn't the pick you had picked out, despite not seeing any workouts. Did you actually see Gerald Green play in a real game? Or was it all dunk highlights and all-star games?
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7/7/2005  12:38 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

Thanks again for a great day of reads fellas AND making me feel as if I watched todays game already.

thank you for a sensible post. there have not been many tonight...
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7/7/2005  12:41 AM
The only thing I'm expecting to see see out of these box scores is huge numbers from Trevor Ariza. He's the one with NBA experience, so he should be the one dominating. Looks like he had a really nice line tonight. I wonder if he made some jumpers.

As far as Frye, yeah he didn't board much. He probably won't board much. He's never boarded that much. He'll have plenty of time to work on that part of his game. I don't ever expect him to be a dominant rebounder, but if he can be agressive on the boards and get his share that will be fine. The one thing I'll take out of his statline is 6/6 from the line. Both he and David lee did a decent job drawing fouls.

Nice game from Nate too...

No point in bashing Frye. I really didn't want him before the draft too. But he's on our team now...let's give him a chance.
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