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Bonn1997
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![]() Robertson walked only 2.4 batters per 9 innings. He should be excellent again.
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() I can't wait for the season too. I really hope we have more pitching upgrades coming though.
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Finestrg
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![]() Starting to think that we might be better off going after a Matt Garza/Fernando Rodney combo over signing Tanaka and doing little else. They're saying Tanaka's gonna cost over $100mm easy -- maybe closer to $120mm by the time the bidding war ends. Would it be better to sign a guy like Garza for half that (4 yrs/$55mm say, maybe less) and then Fernando Rodney (2 yrs/$20mm?)? That's $75mm in total commitment for TWO above average pitchers with over $25mm to spare -- more than enough left over to then go get a bat or another pitcher...if we're comparing what we could potentially go get with the Tanaka money.
The question is what's the better value here: 2-4 above average, proven MLB players or the one Japanese pitcher, a wildcard at that (hopefully he's no Irabu or Kei Igawa, probably not but say he ends up peaking as a 15-win, 3.50-4.00 era pitcher -- is that worth 120 million?)? See, they won't look at it like this though -- the Yankees will argue Tanaka's worth breaching the tax threshold for, but the 2-4 B-B+ level players in their primes together aren't. Not sure I agree with that...They may want to re-think that...What if Garza winds up producing similar or better stats than Tanaka (a distinct possibility--as is, Garza probably starts the 2nd game of the season on this staff right now, right behind Sabathia)? What if Fernando Rodney comes here and puts up 40 saves, a 1.00 era, throwing 95-100 mph with that ridiculous changeup (I dunno man, I love D-Rob but with him closing, everyone else moving up a notch in responsibility--i.e. Claiborne & Kelley in the 8th inning etc.--with nothing else in place -- that's not nearly as good a bullpen as we're used to seeing. Plus, Rodney, for all his crooked hat wearing, bow & arrow nonsense is still a top 5 closer in baseball, maybe top 3)? And what if we then had enough left over for an impact DH bat like Kendrys Morales -- a guy who could also spell Tex at 1st? Dude hit .277 last yr, with 23 HRs and 34 doubles playing at Safeco Field -- what kind of damage could he do at Yankee Stadium? 30+ HRs easy, no? Maybe closer to 35-40...Switch-hitter right in his prime that does a decent amount of damage from the left side (solid, about equal production from both sides -- like every switch-hitter, he just ends up with more ABs vs. right-handers). Also, I think he's over whatever lingering problems he may have had from that fluke injury he suffered at home plate after his walk off in 2010... And speaking of Tex btw -- is he completely healthy? Will he stay healthy and have the banner year we desperately need? What insurance do we have in place if he breaks down again or doesn't hit for the power we expect? With Mark Reynolds and Lyle Overbay no longer on the team, what's the plan for depth at 1B? Plus, we lost 30-35 HRs in Cano; another 30-40 with Granderson. That's around 70 HRs give or take. Ellsbury and McCann might make up about 40, maybe 50. Where are the other 20+ dingers coming from if Tex isn't up to par? What if Soriano can't give us 500-600 ABs anymore and his production starts to slip? I think Morales makes a lot of sense for us... |
jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
![]() Finestrg and RonRon, separated at birth?
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Finestrg
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![]() Apologize for being wordy..
![]() To surmise, what's the better appropriation of $100-120mm -- on Tanaka by himself or on Matt Garza, Fernando Rodney, Kendrys Morales AND some other filler (Mark Reynolds, Jayson Nix, etc.) to round out the roster? I can see both sides -- if Tananka comes over here and becomes a true ace--a guy that could win 20 ballgames, at only 25 years of age I guess he's worth the money. If not, if he's nothing more than a 15-win pitcher that's nowhere near as dominant as he was in Japan (say numbers Garza could easily put up), I might prefer the package of 3 solid/proven B+ level talents + filler. Tough call. Tanaka's a real gamble -- if he succeeds, I feel like the team still needs more in certain areas. And if he's a bust or underperforms expectations, it could set us back years. Another big question -- will that money be there if we lose out on Tanaka? I have my doubts. I get the feeling the Yanks think this guy's a big fish that's worth the money and anything else wouldn't be. Not sure I agree with that.. |
jrodmc
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![]() All I keep thinking about is the sad story of Hideki Irabu. Which makes me think that Japanese baseball owes the Yankees something. Tanaka could be it. Give me an ace, please.
If I wanted to watch B+ talents and filler, I'd become a Mets fan. |
Bonn1997
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![]() Finestrg wrote:Apologize for being wordy.. Those are all great questions. I'm surprised by how quiet things have been in Yankees' land lately. |
SupremeCommander
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![]() I would like the Yankees to get their roster's payroll in check - but still spend the same amount of money, but on overhauling the farm system and how they do business. I personally think the Cardinals run the best organization in baseball and I would love for the Yankees to be able to grow talent like the Rays - but use their deep pockets to retain all their star players
DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() SupremeCommander wrote:I would like the Yankees to get their roster's payroll in check - but still spend the same amount of money, but on overhauling the farm system and how they do business. I personally think the Cardinals run the best organization in baseball and I would love for the Yankees to be able to grow talent like the Rays - but use their deep pockets to retain all their star players I agree but that's clearly not their approach. I am definitely hoping that they keep Gardner. If you count his impact on defense, then I think he's much better than the the players being offered for him in trades are. |
SupremeCommander
Posts: 33962 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
![]() Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I would like the Yankees to get their roster's payroll in check - but still spend the same amount of money, but on overhauling the farm system and how they do business. I personally think the Cardinals run the best organization in baseball and I would love for the Yankees to be able to grow talent like the Rays - but use their deep pockets to retain all their star players I agree completely about Gardner. And the honest truth is that the 9th batter is significantly more important on the Yankees than a lot of other clubs... I like his ability to get on base and cause havoc on the diamond before the work the count power hitters come up (assuming everyone is healthy) DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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