WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With one less big I wonder if the sixersmess with the Knicks knowing they like stein? As in taking stein 3 and trading down with another team

But they would be trading Stein, and still be with one less Big.

Would be great for us, though, you would have OK4 in play or us, probably, a safer pick than Porzingis, for many.

They could take stein at 3 and trade him down even to the Knicks for their 2018 pick and still get what they want

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With one less big I wonder if the sixersmess with the Knicks knowing they like stein? As in taking stein 3 and trading down with another team

But they would be trading Stein, and still be with one less Big.

Would be great for us, though, you would have OK4 in play or us, probably, a safer pick than Porzingis, for many.

They could take stein at 3 and trade him down even to the Knicks for their 2018 pick and still get what they want

Pitchforks would be gathered, Briggs, and Jackson would be run out of town. He would never trade down to get a guy who should not even be picked at 4.

Picking him at 4 is one thing, do this would be madness.

Did you read about this in a Phillie forum? Not going to happen.

Sit tight and 4 and you will get a star no matter what happens, and you won't have to give up a future #1 to get a one dimensional player like Stein.

Nalod wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:To the question at hand, we got Zing, Oka4 and Towns all with great athletic ability. Towns did not play more than 20 minutes most nites and had a lot of help. Oka4 had a lot of minutes, lots of doubles and a nagging ankle for two months. Kristaps looks like a SF whose floor might be Bargnani and ceiling Pau, with Dirk and Gallo in between.

Non of the guys are setp right in and be superstars fist year out. If not physical limits then skills not yet perfected and Injuries will hamper any of these guys.

We go with the best player available and upside potential.
Oka4 to me has the Moses Malone/Duncan thing going and could be a monster FUNDAMENTALLY! Malone was a great rebounder because he had the desire and skills. Dwight is monster human but lacks the fundamentals.

Bottom line is we get who drops. We should be grateful Portzingus is rising as he could be ours, or help us in other ways.

Philly has Saric stashed away? They should still take Russell or Mundiay and stick to their plan.

I still see it as:

Towns/Oka4
Oka4/Towns
Russell

And then at the 4 pick........?????

Actually the biggest question is in free agency who can the lakers or knicks get? Monroe gives either team the ability to go with Russell or Mundiay. Other Than Jimmy Butler (restricted)no other 2 is available nearly as good.

Fact is no rookie can be counted on to turn a franchise around in the first year.

There is also Bargnani to consider.

Core upfront of Monroe-Bargnani-Melo is pretty potent offensively. Defense? Gonna have to address that, but the reality is Bargs is not a long term solution. Lets not forget the opponent has to stop these guys once the Triangle sets in and thats not gonna be easy.

its a draft talk so lets talk pieces:

Take the best player available!!!!!!

I always ask this question when I hear or read something about the BPA?

How do you actually determine who the BPA is?

This is what we're all fighting about here, and talent evaluators always have battles within their organizations about what constitutes the BPA.

I look at past drafts and see the glaring mistakes made, but someone in a draft room, at some point, said "You have to take Adam Morrison...he's the BPA; you have to take Beasley, he might be the BPA in the entire draft; Bargnani is the BPA, I don't care if he's Southern European!

At some point the BPA stamp of approval becomes almost meaningless.

IM not sure and there is always some luck to whom you pick but there are filters if you DON'T draft position or draft with wanting an NBA now ready player.
The other gotta know is will the franchise support the kid and be patient. Fans don't really have any input so we don't factor. If you take WCS then sell it and maybe we can buy it.
If you gonna take Kristaps then don't starphuch me with it, sell me the long term vision and I'll root for the kid as a project.

While its always possible to turn this thing around quick, more likely is we have to crack 30 wins first and compete on a regular basis.

I think most of us won't be happy with that but thats progress.

In some ways that is what the Porzingis workout was for. Teams already know this guy- they scouted him before last year's draft, and Orlando allegedly said that they would pick him in the lottery.

Yet fans were, and still are, curious and doubtful about him. In some ways the workout was for people like us or the doubters, as well as to show teams how he might have improved himself.

Look at the reaction on UK- folks who had not taken the time to read about and watch him were stunned, in some ways.

Phil, Hinkie, Saunders, or Kumpchak (did not do that deliberately!)won't take nearly as much flack from fans if their respective teams take him that early, because they can look at the workout and dream about him doing that stuff on their team.

For me the most interesting thing in this entire draft is to see if the Latvian has as much of an impact on who teams choose as I think he will.

blkexec wrote:Draftexpress.com and NBAdraft.net has philly taking Porzingis...

Both drafts has us taking either OK4 or Russell. Whoever drops out of the top 4. But I still question if Porzingis should be in the top 4?

1. Towns
2. OK4 / Russell
3. Porzingis
4. Russell / OK4

After all that, we still end up with either Russell or OK4. It's a pipe dream, but if the sixers can't find a trade partner, this might happen. Porzingis has legit super star potential.....Thats what you draft for when selecting that high. He's not stiff and at 19 you hope he will improve. It would be hard to score over Phillies front court, with all that height. But you don't go over those guys, go through them....Get them in foul trouble, then kill them once they are benched.

Some folks on UK would not even make it to SL if we landed Russell- would be interesting to see the NYC heart attack rate (because of excitement, not anger) for the day following our picking Russell.

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

blkexec wrote:Draftexpress.com and NBAdraft.net has philly taking Porzingis...

Both drafts has us taking either OK4 or Russell. Whoever drops out of the top 4. But I still question if Porzingis should be in the top 4?

1. Towns
2. OK4 / Russell
3. Porzingis
4. Russell / OK4

After all that, we still end up with either Russell or OK4. It's a pipe dream, but if the sixers can't find a trade partner, this might happen. Porzingis has legit super star potential.....Thats what you draft for when selecting that high. He's not stiff and at 19 you hope he will improve. It would be hard to score over Phillies front court, with all that height. But you don't go over those guys, go through them....Get them in foul trouble, then kill them once they are benched.

...and you would you be happy with Russell or OK4, I assume?

Some folks on UK would not even make it to SL if we landed Russell- would be interesting to see the NYC heart attack rate for the day following our picking Russell.

Not sure what you are basing this on? I would be doing back flips if Russell slipped to us at 4. I believe he's the second best prospect in this draft behind Towns....From what I gather, there are quite a few posters here would be pleased if we are able to land Russell...

You are in jeopardy, then. Have about 3 drinks before the draft...doctor's orders.

jbeachboy wrote:why do people think lakers and sixers arent taking okafor and russell?

Because people are hopeful. Expecting the worst all the time is depressing, Splat

jbeachboy wrote:knicks were really impressed by stein workout

enny Payne, associate head coach of Kentucky, received glowing reviews from the New York Knicks on the workout of Willie Cauley-Stein.

Cauley-Stein worked out for the Knicks on Sunday.

“They were floored,’’ Payne told The Post. “I forwarded the text to Willie. He said, ‘It’s amazing people are shocked I can shoot the ball.’ I told him, ‘You never showed it — only in spurts.’ ”

Cauley-Stein is known for being an excellent defensive player.

“Very rarely do you find 7-1 guys with his size and length who can move the way he moves,’’ Payne said. “Not quite at his level, but he’s John Wall-ish at 7-1. That kind of speed and athleticism. When you have a kid like that, the potential is there, talent is there. It’s just getting it where it’s shown.

“Willie can end up being an All-Star.”

thats odd, why have you altered the article to say it was the Knicks workout? The Knicks don't work him out until today, and the original Bermen article said:

Kentucky associate coach Kenny Payne got a text from an NBA organization Sunday raving about how well Wildcats defensive center Willie Cauley-Stein shot during his workout there.

“They were floored,’’ Payne told The Post. “I forwarded the text to Willie. He said, ‘It’s amazing people are shocked I can shoot the ball.’ I told him, ‘You never showed it — only in spurts.’ ”

http://nypost.com/2015/06/16/cauley-stein-busting-knock-on-him-before-knicks-workout/