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GAME THREAD: THE NIGHT MELO PUTS HIS LEGACY IN CEMENT--- EPIC SHOWDOWN INDY NEW YORK, NO YELLOW SHIRTS WE ARE NOT WEARING THEM
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Bonn1997
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5/19/2013  3:28 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink
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holfresh
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5/19/2013  3:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...

Bonn1997
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5/19/2013  3:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.
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5/19/2013  3:36 PM
Caseloads wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Woodson dealing with alot of personalities.

His worst mistake was changjnf his coaching for the playoffs when he could've won more with his previous gameplan. That and sticking with the inconsistent players just because they are the veterans and looking lost in the "play big vs. play small" issue did him in.

Considering his track record in Atlanta and his love for iso and lack of adjustments, I vote he should go.

Since it probably won't happen, I pray for CP3.


cp3 was out in the first round this year. pray for zachy randolph

Its oh SO ironic we have to pray for Zach Randolph... Man...

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5/19/2013  3:37 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???

just find my statements preferably with the date i posted them. casting aspersions does not equal providing evidence and does not equal doing homework.

what biting am i supposed to be doing here? i will happily admit when i am wrong. just prove to me i am wrong by showing everyone the posts i made. until then you are just blowing smoke...

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/19/2013  3:38 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

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5/20/2013  7:15 AM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

<CRICKETS>

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/22/2013  10:56 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

<CRICKETS>

I have asked this question of you in two threads that you have posted prolifically in but have not responded to this topic. Since you are calling, 'Crickets', I will ask it here as well.
Since you are talking about crickets, I will ask a question that you didn't respond to in another thread. Go back to Feb. 2011. Melo is on the block and is going to be moved because the Nuggets don't want to lose him for nothing and he has indicated he will not stay. The raps and cavs have just lost their franchise players without compensation so you know Melo is going to get traded. You are in Donnie Walsh's chair. You have traded away your former lottery pick and your first round pick for 2012 for cap space. The next first round pick you can trade is 2014. You have traded away lower tier star players with bad contracts and allowed talented young players to leave your team for cap space. You have the ability to trade for Melo. You also have the benefit of hindsight. You know Amare will break down by the end of the season and never be the same. You know that Gallo will continue to struggle to play a full season over the next three years and will suffer an injury that will keep him off the court for 10-12 months. Do you make the Melo trade. If not what do you do?
I need to know what the rosy picture you saw for the Knicks future that was spoiled for you by Walsh getting Melo.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
dk7th
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5/22/2013  11:37 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

<CRICKETS>

I have asked this question of you in two threads that you have posted prolifically in but have not responded to this topic. Since you are calling, 'Crickets', I will ask it here as well.
Since you are talking about crickets, I will ask a question that you didn't respond to in another thread. Go back to Feb. 2011. Melo is on the block and is going to be moved because the Nuggets don't want to lose him for nothing and he has indicated he will not stay. The raps and cavs have just lost their franchise players without compensation so you know Melo is going to get traded. You are in Donnie Walsh's chair. You have traded away your former lottery pick and your first round pick for 2012 for cap space. The next first round pick you can trade is 2014. You have traded away lower tier star players with bad contracts and allowed talented young players to leave your team for cap space. You have the ability to trade for Melo. You also have the benefit of hindsight. You know Amare will break down by the end of the season and never be the same. You know that Gallo will continue to struggle to play a full season over the next three years and will suffer an injury that will keep him off the court for 10-12 months. Do you make the Melo trade. If not what do you do?
I need to know what the rosy picture you saw for the Knicks future that was spoiled for you by Walsh getting Melo.

i was willing to go along with you until i reached the part i selected. it's illogical and unrealistic. maybe someone smarter than me can explain why. it just strikes me as a hypothetical that is internally inconsistent.

all i know now is what i knew then: you already have paid max money for a free agent who is deeply flawed, meaning in general poor defense and lack of playmaking skills. you see another player who possesses the same exact flaws, lack of defense and playmaking, and worse a player who occupies the same space on the floor as the first max money player. acquiring such a player is sheer redundancy and only compounds the difficulty of building a team that will mesh and have synergy. all of this has been clearly proven. two max money players who don't defend and who are not playmakers is a recipe for underachievement.

february 2011 i pass on carmelo anthony and so long as d'antoni is under contract i look to upgrade over ray felton. why? because he does not play good defense and is not much of a playmaker-- as evidenced by woodson needing to have kidd or prigioni out there a great deal of the time.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/22/2013  11:55 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

<CRICKETS>

I have asked this question of you in two threads that you have posted prolifically in but have not responded to this topic. Since you are calling, 'Crickets', I will ask it here as well.
Since you are talking about crickets, I will ask a question that you didn't respond to in another thread. Go back to Feb. 2011. Melo is on the block and is going to be moved because the Nuggets don't want to lose him for nothing and he has indicated he will not stay. The raps and cavs have just lost their franchise players without compensation so you know Melo is going to get traded. You are in Donnie Walsh's chair. You have traded away your former lottery pick and your first round pick for 2012 for cap space. The next first round pick you can trade is 2014. You have traded away lower tier star players with bad contracts and allowed talented young players to leave your team for cap space. You have the ability to trade for Melo. You also have the benefit of hindsight. You know Amare will break down by the end of the season and never be the same. You know that Gallo will continue to struggle to play a full season over the next three years and will suffer an injury that will keep him off the court for 10-12 months. Do you make the Melo trade. If not what do you do?
I need to know what the rosy picture you saw for the Knicks future that was spoiled for you by Walsh getting Melo.

i was willing to go along with you until i reached the part i selected. it's illogical and unrealistic. maybe someone smarter than me can explain why. it just strikes me as a hypothetical that is internally inconsistent.

all i know now is what i knew then: you already have paid max money for a free agent who is deeply flawed, meaning in general poor defense and lack of playmaking skills. you see another player who possesses the same exact flaws, lack of defense and playmaking, and worse a player who occupies the same space on the floor as the first max money player. acquiring such a player is sheer redundancy and only compounds the difficulty of building a team that will mesh and have synergy. all of this has been clearly proven. two max money players who don't defend and who are not playmakers is a recipe for underachievement.

february 2011 i pass on carmelo anthony and so long as d'antoni is under contract i look to upgrade over ray felton. why? because he does not play good defense and is not much of a playmaker-- as evidenced by woodson needing to have kidd or prigioni out there a great deal of the time.

The plan that was destroyed by the melo trade was to upgrade the point? Amare's fate was known. If it wasn't his contract would have been insured and he probably is resigned by the suns. Gallo's being injury prone seemed apparent but if you want to ignore his injury history go for it. Upgrading the point guard position at the expense of acquiring melo doesn't seem to be a source for your deep seeded hatred of that trade.

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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5/23/2013  7:43 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

<CRICKETS>

I have asked this question of you in two threads that you have posted prolifically in but have not responded to this topic. Since you are calling, 'Crickets', I will ask it here as well.
Since you are talking about crickets, I will ask a question that you didn't respond to in another thread. Go back to Feb. 2011. Melo is on the block and is going to be moved because the Nuggets don't want to lose him for nothing and he has indicated he will not stay. The raps and cavs have just lost their franchise players without compensation so you know Melo is going to get traded. You are in Donnie Walsh's chair. You have traded away your former lottery pick and your first round pick for 2012 for cap space. The next first round pick you can trade is 2014. You have traded away lower tier star players with bad contracts and allowed talented young players to leave your team for cap space. You have the ability to trade for Melo. You also have the benefit of hindsight. You know Amare will break down by the end of the season and never be the same. You know that Gallo will continue to struggle to play a full season over the next three years and will suffer an injury that will keep him off the court for 10-12 months. Do you make the Melo trade. If not what do you do?
I need to know what the rosy picture you saw for the Knicks future that was spoiled for you by Walsh getting Melo.

i was willing to go along with you until i reached the part i selected. it's illogical and unrealistic. maybe someone smarter than me can explain why. it just strikes me as a hypothetical that is internally inconsistent.

all i know now is what i knew then: you already have paid max money for a free agent who is deeply flawed, meaning in general poor defense and lack of playmaking skills. you see another player who possesses the same exact flaws, lack of defense and playmaking, and worse a player who occupies the same space on the floor as the first max money player. acquiring such a player is sheer redundancy and only compounds the difficulty of building a team that will mesh and have synergy. all of this has been clearly proven. two max money players who don't defend and who are not playmakers is a recipe for underachievement.

february 2011 i pass on carmelo anthony and so long as d'antoni is under contract i look to upgrade over ray felton. why? because he does not play good defense and is not much of a playmaker-- as evidenced by woodson needing to have kidd or prigioni out there a great deal of the time.

The plan that was destroyed by the melo trade was to upgrade the point? Amare's fate was known. If it wasn't his contract would have been insured and he probably is resigned by the suns. Gallo's being injury prone seemed apparent but if you want to ignore his injury history go for it. Upgrading the point guard position at the expense of acquiring melo doesn't seem to be a source for your deep seeded hatred of that trade.

I wonder if a Melohate game thread can last until training camp...

Someone is apparently now mixing their Melohate with their LinLove. Just imagine... Moz, Stat, Gallo, Wilson, Lin. Who wouldn't want to go to war with that crew? Better yet, why wouldn't CP3 or Deron come running to a team like that? I can't think of a single reason.

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CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

<CRICKETS>

I have asked this question of you in two threads that you have posted prolifically in but have not responded to this topic. Since you are calling, 'Crickets', I will ask it here as well.
Since you are talking about crickets, I will ask a question that you didn't respond to in another thread. Go back to Feb. 2011. Melo is on the block and is going to be moved because the Nuggets don't want to lose him for nothing and he has indicated he will not stay. The raps and cavs have just lost their franchise players without compensation so you know Melo is going to get traded. You are in Donnie Walsh's chair. You have traded away your former lottery pick and your first round pick for 2012 for cap space. The next first round pick you can trade is 2014. You have traded away lower tier star players with bad contracts and allowed talented young players to leave your team for cap space. You have the ability to trade for Melo. You also have the benefit of hindsight. You know Amare will break down by the end of the season and never be the same. You know that Gallo will continue to struggle to play a full season over the next three years and will suffer an injury that will keep him off the court for 10-12 months. Do you make the Melo trade. If not what do you do?
I need to know what the rosy picture you saw for the Knicks future that was spoiled for you by Walsh getting Melo.

i was willing to go along with you until i reached the part i selected. it's illogical and unrealistic. maybe someone smarter than me can explain why. it just strikes me as a hypothetical that is internally inconsistent.

all i know now is what i knew then: you already have paid max money for a free agent who is deeply flawed, meaning in general poor defense and lack of playmaking skills. you see another player who possesses the same exact flaws, lack of defense and playmaking, and worse a player who occupies the same space on the floor as the first max money player. acquiring such a player is sheer redundancy and only compounds the difficulty of building a team that will mesh and have synergy. all of this has been clearly proven. two max money players who don't defend and who are not playmakers is a recipe for underachievement.

february 2011 i pass on carmelo anthony and so long as d'antoni is under contract i look to upgrade over ray felton. why? because he does not play good defense and is not much of a playmaker-- as evidenced by woodson needing to have kidd or prigioni out there a great deal of the time.

The plan that was destroyed by the melo trade was to upgrade the point? Amare's fate was known. If it wasn't his contract would have been insured and he probably is resigned by the suns. Gallo's being injury prone seemed apparent but if you want to ignore his injury history go for it. Upgrading the point guard position at the expense of acquiring melo doesn't seem to be a source for your deep seeded hatred of that trade.

yes the status of stat's knees was a known risk. but guess what... so was melo's futility in the postseason and his rep among the cognoscenti that he is essentially a fool's gold player. you can feel free to sign a fool's gold player as a free agent for cash only. that way the damage is minimized. kind of like with stoudemire although i prefer david lee's game. put another way if all melo does is score, and inefficiently, then who except basketball morons is going to want to trade for him?

what you DON'T do is trade away players to acquire him. half the time it's the moves you DON'T make that are the right moves.

lastly, an upgrade at point guard was part of an organized, thought-out PLAN. and if you say the plan was to acquire "two superstars" then by god please make sure they are not redundant and don't share the exact same flaws!!

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/23/2013  6:59 PM
where can i download full videos of knicks games, maybe like an archive somewhere, maybe you will show me where i can find them?

there was a guy 'knickstorrents' here that posted them, what happened? i want to make a mash up of the knicks playoffs

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5/23/2013  7:06 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:where can i download full videos of knicks games, maybe like an archive somewhere, maybe you will show me where i can find them?

there was a guy 'knickstorrents' here that posted them, what happened? i want to make a mash up of the knicks playoffs

bt dot davkabt dot info
www dot nba-video dot org

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sidsanders wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:where can i download full videos of knicks games, maybe like an archive somewhere, maybe you will show me where i can find them?

there was a guy 'knickstorrents' here that posted them, what happened? i want to make a mash up of the knicks playoffs

bt dot davkabt dot info
www dot nba-video dot org

thank you good sir

sites are down but was able to find their successors via searhc

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5/25/2013  1:08 AM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:One thing tho..Have to say Melo has grown over the season...There were about 5 silly shots he took at the beginning of the season per game...Those went away but he was still forcing the issue in certain instances ...The last few games tho, I have to say he has let the game come to him...Maturity?...don't know...something to look forward to next season...

the regular season he shot a 56%TS compared to his career average of 54.5%TS. an improvement yes but far from elite, which begins at around 58%TS

the playoffs he shots an abysmal 49.7TS% which is below his lousy 51.3%TS for his playoff career.

2.53:1 is the ratio of his usage to the number of assists generated for teammates while he was on the floor. it's way too high when you consider he averaged 2.6 assists per game this season.

2.68:1 is the number he sunk to in the playoffs, with a pathetic 1.6 assists per game.

1) he needs to improve his scoring efficiency
2) he needs to improve at getting his teammates involved and engaged so they can be more dependable
3) he needs to improve his defense
4) he needs to improve his conditioning so he doesn't fade in the 4th quarters
5) he needs to incorporate more ball and head fakes to draw more fouls
6) he needs to improve his footwork by working with hakeem olajuwon or tim duncan or pau gasol

in sum he needs to learn how to play FOR others.

if he took his job more seriously he might eventually accomplish something of lasting value. and without improving in these areas he will never become a leader of any team he plays for.

if he had realized his limitations about himself instead of being a legend in his own mind the knicks would have a rosier future. as it is he is pretty much a fool's gold player who is being coached by a fool's gold coach who gets paid by a fool.

U have been so wrong all year with your player predictions and team predictions, Im just amazed there is not one ounce of shame as u continue to plow forward...

that's a pretty amazing accusation. in fact it's hilarious. you'll have to explain where i have been wrong.

Did u predict the Knicks would be 5th or sixth seed in the east???

you mean on paper before the season began??? sure i guess so.

you got anything else?

You said in the middle of the season that Felton was playing at his ceiling ...Seems like his best was left for the Boston series echoed by Doc Rivers...He was the MVP of that series???..Anything on that???

he excelled against a 7th seed team in the first round who was missing their best player, their starting point guard? okay great but you know my opinion about 7th and 8th seeds. moreover he has had to have a second point guard out there with him the entire season because he was incapable of orchestrating. this was my biggest complaint about felton from day 1. so what does woodson do? he puts kidd and prigioni out there. this allowed felton to be a scoring point guard or a tweener guard... so he has excelled at that.

but woodson, in making that adjustment, essentially "robbed peter to pay paul" because the backcourt proved both small and pretty porous. beware the tweener!

anything else?

I think that's crap too about needing a second PG...So what was you call on number of victories, please note that I can look it up...

i predicted that if they did not play defense they would still win 48 games and if they did play defense they would win 55 games and likely reach the ECF. they won 54 games and failed to reach the ECF.

please do go on.

Nice spread you have working..So you predicted the Knicks would win 55 games and be the 7th seed???...And you are lying about the ECF....You predicted first round exit...you actually changed your tune during the course of the season after you saw the Knicks winning to say if they don't reach the ECFnit was a disappointment ....I don't see how some one who calls or a team to be the 7th seed should think that same team could reach the ECF...

okay now you are being even more ridiculous than usual. when did i say they were going to be a 7th seed? 48 games doesn't get merely the 7th seed as it is. let me help you out here: context.

i may have said at one point that if they were not careful they coud slip all the way to 7th seed. again: context.

i don't understand this game of "gotcha" you have going on here. i am not going to hide from anything i have said but try to be accurate if you are going to try and make me look foolish. so far it's not working. you and several others here and on realgm may have to face facts that melo is just not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land, even though you seem to be sharing his mindspace.

once an underachiever....

Showing you where your calls have been wrong in 4 instances is a little more than "gotcha"..


The only thing that seems wrong is your recollection of what he's said. Can you post some quotes where he was clearly wrong?

Sure I can...But if u want to see them you can do the leg work...Is he refuting what Im saying???


Innocent until proven guilty. If your charge is that he's been inaccurate, do your homework first. Then I'll evaluate his response.

My home work is done already...I have challenged him on a another occasion about his predictions but he didn't bite...U really think Ill ask questions I don't have the answers to??..Come on Bonn. How long have we been at this???


Your homework is done even though you provided zero evidence? This is like a student claiming he did his homework in invisible ink

U are the only one who think this evidence don't exist...


I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said you haven't shown it to us.

Evidently the party in question knows of it's existence...

<CRICKETS>

I have asked this question of you in two threads that you have posted prolifically in but have not responded to this topic. Since you are calling, 'Crickets', I will ask it here as well.
Since you are talking about crickets, I will ask a question that you didn't respond to in another thread. Go back to Feb. 2011. Melo is on the block and is going to be moved because the Nuggets don't want to lose him for nothing and he has indicated he will not stay. The raps and cavs have just lost their franchise players without compensation so you know Melo is going to get traded. You are in Donnie Walsh's chair. You have traded away your former lottery pick and your first round pick for 2012 for cap space. The next first round pick you can trade is 2014. You have traded away lower tier star players with bad contracts and allowed talented young players to leave your team for cap space. You have the ability to trade for Melo. You also have the benefit of hindsight. You know Amare will break down by the end of the season and never be the same. You know that Gallo will continue to struggle to play a full season over the next three years and will suffer an injury that will keep him off the court for 10-12 months. Do you make the Melo trade. If not what do you do?
I need to know what the rosy picture you saw for the Knicks future that was spoiled for you by Walsh getting Melo.

i was willing to go along with you until i reached the part i selected. it's illogical and unrealistic. maybe someone smarter than me can explain why. it just strikes me as a hypothetical that is internally inconsistent.

all i know now is what i knew then: you already have paid max money for a free agent who is deeply flawed, meaning in general poor defense and lack of playmaking skills. you see another player who possesses the same exact flaws, lack of defense and playmaking, and worse a player who occupies the same space on the floor as the first max money player. acquiring such a player is sheer redundancy and only compounds the difficulty of building a team that will mesh and have synergy. all of this has been clearly proven. two max money players who don't defend and who are not playmakers is a recipe for underachievement.

february 2011 i pass on carmelo anthony and so long as d'antoni is under contract i look to upgrade over ray felton. why? because he does not play good defense and is not much of a playmaker-- as evidenced by woodson needing to have kidd or prigioni out there a great deal of the time.

The plan that was destroyed by the melo trade was to upgrade the point? Amare's fate was known. If it wasn't his contract would have been insured and he probably is resigned by the suns. Gallo's being injury prone seemed apparent but if you want to ignore his injury history go for it. Upgrading the point guard position at the expense of acquiring melo doesn't seem to be a source for your deep seeded hatred of that trade.

yes the status of stat's knees was a known risk. but guess what... so was melo's futility in the postseason and his rep among the cognoscenti that he is essentially a fool's gold player. you can feel free to sign a fool's gold player as a free agent for cash only. that way the damage is minimized. kind of like with stoudemire although i prefer david lee's game. put another way if all melo does is score, and inefficiently, then who except basketball morons is going to want to trade for him?

what you DON'T do is trade away players to acquire him. half the time it's the moves you DON'T make that are the right moves.

lastly, an upgrade at point guard was part of an organized, thought-out PLAN. and if you say the plan was to acquire "two superstars" then by god please make sure they are not redundant and don't share the exact same flaws!!

Apparently Walsh saw Melo and Amare as better then Lee. The plan never included a point guard. The plan was all in for lbj and another star. Walsh was shooting for Joe Johnson and LBJ. He never had a chance but signing Amare was a huge mistake. I guess Walsh is a basketball moron because he was pursuing his second star all that season. The plan was to acquire two superstars. I wasn't the guy hired to acquire them. Walsh went redundant but it didn't matter because the docs in Phoenix were right about Amare. Walsh got a superstar and a salary cap boat anchor. The point guard position was not a part of the plan. Just getting big name guys was the goal.
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5/27/2013  4:13 PM
I think now, after so much time has passed, i am not so sad, because pacers are quality team, and i wish them luck in the future, we just could not get it done,
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5/27/2013  5:22 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:I think now, after so much time has passed, i am not so sad, because pacers are quality team, and i wish them luck in the future, we just could not get it done,

They're a solid team - a respectable .600 team - but in year 3 of our capped out roster with 3 max contract veterans, we should have been able to beat them.
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5/27/2013  7:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:I think now, after so much time has passed, i am not so sad, because pacers are quality team, and i wish them luck in the future, we just could not get it done,

They're a solid team - a respectable .600 team - but in year 3 of our capped out roster with 3 max contract veterans, we should have been able to beat them.

yea i mean, the should is for us, we should have crushed them,

but they are so good, they are like a concrete wall, solid,

you would be right to expect more from our composition,

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