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1/8/2016  11:36 AM

Not sure how a GM can waste an entire season on a retiring player.

Have to believe that what Kupchak is really saying is:

"I am not going to publicly humiliate a player who has done so much for our franchise, so I can't come out directly and say that giving Kobe so much playing time will help us "tank" and keep our valuable lottery pick in our hands and not Hinkie's, but yes, that is what we are doing."

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1/8/2016  1:54 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:

Not sure how a GM can waste an entire season on a retiring player.

Have to believe that what Kupchak is really saying is:

"I am not going to publicly humiliate a player who has done so much for our franchise, so I can't come out directly and say that giving Kobe so much playing time will help us "tank" and keep our valuable lottery pick in our hands and not Hinkie's, but yes, that is what we are doing."

He said that? Whoa. But its perfectly logical. Look at whats happening as the Lakers are drawing well both at home and on the road. The Kobe show is a valid draw. At the same time they would have to forfeit the pick if they fall below bottom three. Those picks are franchise changing events. Is it fair? Philly tanks it hurts them and on the road so that's not cool. Kobe draws crowds so who cares. Home team gets an nice win and the arena says good bye to Kobe. Personally I could care less about seeing any player in person in the dawn of there career at a premium price. I go to see a good game win or lose. I'd rather see knicks lose by one point in a great game then blow out a crap team by 25 points. I want the win but I don't watch blowouts on TV either. I might start reading and keeping an eye on the game (knicks) cuz its fun to see some post game stuff but I hate paying a tidy some for crap game.

Last year I had a chance to buy a courtside seat in Charlotte with the knicks for $800 and considered it as its on my bucket list to do so. I passed and didn't even go because we sucked and there was nothing to play for.
I have some nice seats lined up for the game on the 23rd this month. Prices have firmed up in Charlotte as the team is relevant and there are lots of Knick fans in the Carolina's as well. Its a Saturday nite game so its gonna be a good crowd too!

For JROD:
I remember going to a Net game as a kid and back then the press sat courtside. With 7 minutes left the game was pretty much at hand and it was easy to sit in those seats at the Nassau coliseaum. Nobody chased us out. Fun to see DR J and that team up close. WE used to get those cheap upperdeck seats with coupons from milk cartons for like $2 and go to about 10 games with friends. No parents, just a bunch of 12 year olds running around and then sneaking down closer and closer as the game went on. once we go there early and we fed rebounds to the team as they warmed up and they let us shoot around a bit. It was novel to try a 3pt shout for us because there was no lines anywhere else. We airballed it!!!! The orientation of a glass backboard (they were not in most gyms back then) and the open space of a pro arena was weird.

Now the kids can't get near the players.

Few years ago I was sitting about 3 rows behind knick bench and got there early. I thanked clyde for being my role model as a player growing up. We both old now!!!! He was very cool about it. What else would we expect from him!!!

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1/8/2016  11:53 PM
Steph Curry is insane.

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1/9/2016  8:47 AM
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Cotton might be worth trying out http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bryce-Cotton-17832/

Might be problematic defensively though.

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1/9/2016  11:14 AM
crzymdups wrote:Steph Curry is insane.

Like Neo finding out what he is capable. Incredible.

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1/9/2016  5:11 PM
Philly has five first round picks this year in addition to their own.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
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1/9/2016  5:15 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Philly has five first round picks this year in addition to their own.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

No, they don't.

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1/9/2016  5:18 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:Philly has five first round picks this year in addition to their own.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

No, they don't.

Yeah. YOu are right the picks have protection on them. There is the potential for them to have up to 6 first round picks this year including their own.
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1/9/2016  5:27 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Philly has five first round picks this year in addition to their own.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

No, they don't.

Yeah. YOu are right the picks have protection on them. There is the potential for them to have up to 6 first round picks this year including their own.

Look at it this way. Same site, different tab.

(1) 2016 - Own or swap for SAC 1-10;

(2,3)MIA 11-30 (via CLE) and OKC 16-30 (via CLE to DEN) or swap either for GOS;

(4) LAL 4-30 (via PHX)

That's 4 including their own, IF they get Lakers. We'll assume they'll get Miami and OKCs.

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1/9/2016  11:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/9/2016  11:41 PM
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Steph Curry is insane.

Like Neo finding out what he is capable. Incredible.

Can you imagine KP playing with a PG like Steph Curry? Not even the shooting part. Just the passing part.

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1/10/2016  10:50 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Nalod wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Steph Curry is insane.

Like Neo finding out what he is capable. Incredible.

Can you imagine KP playing with a PG like Steph Curry? Not even the shooting part. Just the passing part.

Curry's play is not "System" but in a sense all good players when they leverage their ability make others better around them. A great shooter must be respected. If the can penetrate he must be respected. If he can pass he must be respected. The defense has fewer options and thus his ball movement must be respected. When those around a great player can execute, its a beautiful thing when the ball moves.

Triangle, Princeton, PNR, anything system when implemented with the right personal to play into their strenghts is a beautiful thing. When Jordan or Kobe learned to trust, it made their life easier. Nash went from all star to Two time MVP in the right system. Same for any great player that was lucky to play on a team that had a strong culture/System/leadership. Curry got better in time and when his supporting cast got better either buy infusion of new players and by internal development. Curry and the Warriors evolved over a period of years.

While we can "jonesing" for a player like Curry we can also look for evolution of ball movement that finds players like KP in the best position to execute. With his height and ability it is very exciting to think about. It would be nice to have a player like Curry whose potential is maximized not just by his individual talent, but as part of the system. Great teams do this.

Beit Jimmer, Grant, or the unknown we an only keep hoping. Meanwhile Melo is throwing out some nice passes and getting results. The ending play against the spurs was a revelation of sorts. I watched it over and over and it was wonderful. The shot did not hit but the team is learning. Melo is growing as a player. Teams need to do the right things before good things can happen. Knicks did that and almost took out the spurs at home. They are learning what that takes.

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1/10/2016  11:48 AM
From an article by a Laker reporter written yesterday. Some interesting insights about Randle and Russell...also mentions Rambis.:
Heisler: Lakers still plan to rebuild, when they can get to it

Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak suggested that efforts to celebrate Kobe Bryant’s farewell have slowed the pace of rebuilding. (Photos by Brad Graverson/Daily Breeze)

A journey of 1,000 miles starts with a single step, which will mean something to the Lakers ... whenever they take it.

GM Mitch Kupchak touched off an uproar, suggesting that they have slowed the pace of rebuilding to celebrate Kobe Bryant’s farewell.

So much for the latest batch of happy scenarios in Lakerdom.

The Lakers were not only writing off the season but the summer when they hoped to have a hot young nucleus to lure Kevin Durant.

This also means effectively writing off next season when they can start to rebuild, again.

All that is, in fact, gone, even if it was a blow to the local midsection to see the Lakers make it official.

It wasn’t lost because of any management decision about rebuilding. What would have been doable for Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins was not for D’Angelo Russell and Julius Randle.

It remains to be seen if Russell and Randle were the best choices — Russell faces formidable comparisons with Kristaps Porzingis and Jahlil Okafor — but not until they play starters’ minutes.

Not that this is anything the Lakers had to do for Bryant.

It’s not a question of why Kobe plays so much while Russell and Randle play so little.

The question is why Lou Williams, Roy Hibbert, Brandon Bass and Nick Young play so much. They’re not going anywhere and don’t have to be celebrated.

The answer is: Coach Byron Scott is Old School, deciding playing time on merit.

Randle was already a demon worker who was demoted essentially because he was starting when they — and especially Kobe — were awful, going to the bench after scoring 15 points with 10 rebounds in a 111-91 loss in Auburn Hills.

Russell, on the other hand, didn’t work as hard, needed to be called on it and has gained from the experience.

Randle has been mostly professional, with notable sulks like the game in which ESPN’s Mark Jackson called him out and his blowup at being taken out in last week’s win over Phoenix.

It’s a rebuilding program, just a tough one, Laker style, as when assistant coach Kurt Rambis rode young Andrew Bynum so hard, Drew cried.

Unfortunately for Scott, two seasons is an awfully long time for a Lakers coach these days. Ask Mike D’Antoni.


If the Lakers don’t blame Byron and won’t fire him this season, there’s little doubt that ownership will want a new face next season.

Byron’s likeliest successor is Warriors assistant Luke Walton, who’s not only a hot coaching prospect but a beloved former Laker.

Bottom line: The real business of this season is something the Lakers can’t talk about: Tanking for all they’re worth.

They have a 0 percent shot at making the playoffs, or winning 30 games, for that matter.

On the other hand, they would have a 59 percent shot to draw a top-three pick that wouldn’t have to be conveyed to Philadelphia, as things stand.

Normally, teams say they’re “playing the kids.”

Kupchak said they can’t even do that, telling ESPN’s Baxter Holmes that they can’t “concentrate on just developing” players with the season “really a justified farewell to Bryant,” who would “want to play a lot of minutes in every game ... that you might give to a young player that you can’t.”

Obliged to explain what he meant on the pre-game show, Kupchak said it’s “what the fan base wants ... what I think our TV partners want, our sponsor partners want, our fans want.”

If it’s what their TV partners and sponsors — and owners — want, the fans want a better team next season.

Actually, Kobe’s farewell and rebuilding aren’t mutually exclusive.

The night after Kupchak’s comments, Kobe played 31 minutes in Sacramento, Clarkson played 35, Randle 30 and Russell 29, scoring 27 points.

No one has to worry about Bryant’s farewell, which has been as surprising to Kobe as anyone.

Peers once shunned him after he was deemed to have run off the popular Shaquille O’Neal. Now the LeBron James-Kevin Durant generation reveres him.

Bryant is a runaway leader over all other players in All-Star balloting.

Sacramento fans chanted “Kobe! Kobe!” as he scored 28 points in last week’s shootout that their Kings barely won, 118-115.

In Cowbell Kingdom — named after a Phil Jackson jibe — where the only good Laker was thought to be a dead Laker, tributes don’t come any nicer.

Now if Kobe can avoid leading the Lakers to too many victories, this season may have a happy ending, or as happy as endings get in Lakerdom these days.

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1/10/2016  12:54 PM
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1/11/2016  8:08 PM

Hmmmm...playing Golden State has a strange influence on a player's health, or so it would seem.

You wonder about Whiteside's durability...he could cost himself a lot of money next year if this is a problem the rest of the year.

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1/11/2016  8:51 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:

Hmmmm...playing Golden State has a strange influence on a player's health, or so it would seem.

You wonder about Whiteside's durability...he could cost himself a lot of money next year if this is a problem the rest of the year.

Didn't he have an mri on his knee? I always worry because I believe Shump had an mri on his knee and was cleared and ended up tearing his acl and mcl later that season.
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1/11/2016  9:12 PM
Extremely long (too long for a cut and paste, IMO), but excellent interview with Sam Mitchell. I'm still reading it. Guy is pretty honest, and there is more basketball discussed in this single article than most coaches will give you in an entire season...or two...or three.

https://www.minnpost.com/sports/2016/01/qa-sam-mitchell-weighs-zach-lavine-andrew-wiggins-and-wolves-season-so-far?utm_content=buffer2b9d8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Lots of stuff on specific players, including a favorite of Briggs, LaVine, who is in Mitchell's doghouse right now (for good reasons- guy's BB IQ is not so high, it would seem). Almost like a coaching clinic.

Here is a very small snippit:

SM: Shot selection. Passing. Did you see that pass last night? [Denver] switched Jameer Nelson on to G [Gorgui Dieng]. Zach was at the top of the key. What pass do you throw, with Jameer Nelson at 5-9 [listed at 6-0] and Gorgui at 6-11? He threw him a bounce pass. Not only a bounce pass, but he tried to throw [Mitchell leans to the side and flicks his outstretched right wrist as if putting English on the ball] a pass as though it is going to spin back to G miraculously. And I’m sitting there thinking, this is an NBA player. This is the 13th pick in the draft. And Gorgui has a 5-9 guard on him who is 34 years old [as of Feb. 9]. And our second-year point guard tries to throw him a bounce pass, instead of just throw it up there toward the basket.

Now people will say, “He should know that.” Well, we can’t take for granted that he does, because he showed last night that he don’t. So we have to teach everything. If we forget one thing, it bites us in the ass. If we forget telling our guy not to walk up but to step in and now break and get open, then we don’t get open.

Going to finish it after I make something to eat.

Worth the read, IMHO.

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1/11/2016  10:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/11/2016  10:16 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Extremely long (too long for a cut and paste, IMO), but excellent interview with Sam Mitchell. I'm still reading it. Guy is pretty honest, and there is more basketball discussed in this single article than most coaches will give you in an entire season...or two...or three.

https://www.minnpost.com/sports/2016/01/qa-sam-mitchell-weighs-zach-lavine-andrew-wiggins-and-wolves-season-so-far?utm_content=buffer2b9d8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Lots of stuff on specific players, including a favorite of Briggs, LaVine, who is in Mitchell's doghouse right now (for good reasons- guy's BB IQ is not so high, it would seem). Almost like a coaching clinic.

Here is a very small snippit:

SM: Shot selection. Passing. Did you see that pass last night? [Denver] switched Jameer Nelson on to G [Gorgui Dieng]. Zach was at the top of the key. What pass do you throw, with Jameer Nelson at 5-9 [listed at 6-0] and Gorgui at 6-11? He threw him a bounce pass. Not only a bounce pass, but he tried to throw [Mitchell leans to the side and flicks his outstretched right wrist as if putting English on the ball] a pass as though it is going to spin back to G miraculously. And I’m sitting there thinking, this is an NBA player. This is the 13th pick in the draft. And Gorgui has a 5-9 guard on him who is 34 years old [as of Feb. 9]. And our second-year point guard tries to throw him a bounce pass, instead of just throw it up there toward the basket.

Now people will say, “He should know that.” Well, we can’t take for granted that he does, because he showed last night that he don’t. So we have to teach everything. If we forget one thing, it bites us in the ass. If we forget telling our guy not to walk up but to step in and now break and get open, then we don’t get open.

Going to finish it after I make something to eat.

Worth the read, IMHO.

excellent read! thanks for posting. Loved how he talked about how guards have no idea how to use a pick. Grant and Gallo do a terrible job using picks and it makes the picks looks much worse than they are.

As candid as this was, I still question a lot of minnys shot selection. Pretty awful.

and, he crushed Zach Levine and while true, it is not cool

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/12/2016  1:37 AM
mreinman wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Extremely long (too long for a cut and paste, IMO), but excellent interview with Sam Mitchell. I'm still reading it. Guy is pretty honest, and there is more basketball discussed in this single article than most coaches will give you in an entire season...or two...or three.

https://www.minnpost.com/sports/2016/01/qa-sam-mitchell-weighs-zach-lavine-andrew-wiggins-and-wolves-season-so-far?utm_content=buffer2b9d8&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Lots of stuff on specific players, including a favorite of Briggs, LaVine, who is in Mitchell's doghouse right now (for good reasons- guy's BB IQ is not so high, it would seem). Almost like a coaching clinic.

Here is a very small snippit:

SM: Shot selection. Passing. Did you see that pass last night? [Denver] switched Jameer Nelson on to G [Gorgui Dieng]. Zach was at the top of the key. What pass do you throw, with Jameer Nelson at 5-9 [listed at 6-0] and Gorgui at 6-11? He threw him a bounce pass. Not only a bounce pass, but he tried to throw [Mitchell leans to the side and flicks his outstretched right wrist as if putting English on the ball] a pass as though it is going to spin back to G miraculously. And I’m sitting there thinking, this is an NBA player. This is the 13th pick in the draft. And Gorgui has a 5-9 guard on him who is 34 years old [as of Feb. 9]. And our second-year point guard tries to throw him a bounce pass, instead of just throw it up there toward the basket.

Now people will say, “He should know that.” Well, we can’t take for granted that he does, because he showed last night that he don’t. So we have to teach everything. If we forget one thing, it bites us in the ass. If we forget telling our guy not to walk up but to step in and now break and get open, then we don’t get open.

Going to finish it after I make something to eat.

Worth the read, IMHO.

excellent read! thanks for posting. Loved how he talked about how guards have no idea how to use a pick. Grant and Gallo do a terrible job using picks and it makes the picks looks much worse than they are.

As candid as this was, I still question a lot of minnys shot selection. Pretty awful.

and, he crushed Zach Levine and while true, it is not cool


Hard for us to know the dynamics going on with him and his players. LaVine seems to be singled out the most, though- wonder how he will take the criticism? Makes the Rosen articles with Phil seem pretty tame as far as exposing certain players.

Wonder if Mitchell knows what his status is for next year? Might lead him to be more open if he knows he's gone after this season.

He sure as hell is not enamored with the kind of coaching some of the 1 and done guys have gotten during their rapid rise through amateur ball.

SM: And when you ask him — during a timeout, I’ll say, “Zach, why didn’t you shoot the ball?” He’ll say, “I didn’t feel like I was in rhythm or ready to shoot.” But then you dribbled into the defense and took a bad shot. “Was that a bad shot?” See, he doesn’t even realize that he dribbled and then did that. It is so ingrained in him from AAU, and we are trying to break him of that habit.


Then again, they had him on their team last year and he still has not learned certain things.


Thought the T-Wolves would be better than they are so far. The article gives you some idea of how tough it is to coach younger players.

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1/12/2016  2:25 AM
Nalod wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:

Not sure how a GM can waste an entire season on a retiring player.

Have to believe that what Kupchak is really saying is:

"I am not going to publicly humiliate a player who has done so much for our franchise, so I can't come out directly and say that giving Kobe so much playing time will help us "tank" and keep our valuable lottery pick in our hands and not Hinkie's, but yes, that is what we are doing."

He said that? Whoa. But its perfectly logical. Look at whats happening as the Lakers are drawing well both at home and on the road. The Kobe show is a valid draw. At the same time they would have to forfeit the pick if they fall below bottom three. Those picks are franchise changing events. Is it fair? Philly tanks it hurts them and on the road so that's not cool. Kobe draws crowds so who cares. Home team gets an nice win and the arena says good bye to Kobe. Personally I could care less about seeing any player in person in the dawn of there career at a premium price. I go to see a good game win or lose. I'd rather see knicks lose by one point in a great game then blow out a crap team by 25 points. I want the win but I don't watch blowouts on TV either. I might start reading and keeping an eye on the game (knicks) cuz its fun to see some post game stuff but I hate paying a tidy some for crap game.

Last year I had a chance to buy a courtside seat in Charlotte with the knicks for $800 and considered it as its on my bucket list to do so. I passed and didn't even go because we sucked and there was nothing to play for.
I have some nice seats lined up for the game on the 23rd this month. Prices have firmed up in Charlotte as the team is relevant and there are lots of Knick fans in the Carolina's as well. Its a Saturday nite game so its gonna be a good crowd too!

For JROD:
I remember going to a Net game as a kid and back then the press sat courtside. With 7 minutes left the game was pretty much at hand and it was easy to sit in those seats at the Nassau coliseaum. Nobody chased us out. Fun to see DR J and that team up close. WE used to get those cheap upperdeck seats with coupons from milk cartons for like $2 and go to about 10 games with friends. No parents, just a bunch of 12 year olds running around and then sneaking down closer and closer as the game went on. once we go there early and we fed rebounds to the team as they warmed up and they let us shoot around a bit. It was novel to try a 3pt shout for us because there was no lines anywhere else. We airballed it!!!! The orientation of a glass backboard (they were not in most gyms back then) and the open space of a pro arena was weird.

Now the kids can't get near the players.

Few years ago I was sitting about 3 rows behind knick bench and got there early. I thanked clyde for being my role model as a player growing up. We both old now!!!! He was very cool about it. What else would we expect from him!!!


Nalord .. I can feel ur no-fense backyard .. The ABA Nets at Nassau coliseum were a cheap teenage hang-out paradise to watch DR. Jay the top athletic pro-player in B.ball (at that time). The ABA Nets had a young fan base (from Brklyn, Queens, Long Island) were off the wall back then. The NBA organization had no-choice butt let the ABA league expand into the NBA league LOL
The closeness of players n young fans using the same entrance n exit to get autograph n conversation meant something big back then.
I recall the last two seasons DR. Jay were on the Nets the Knicks MSG cheapest seats were $5 bucks.

Kobe retired-season performance aint SH...! Kobe gettin sell-out crowds n high ratings night after night to watch the Kobe retired-season performance is the kind of top $$$ business we all would like to have a share of stock in.
Being a Chris Childs fan never let me be a Kobe fan, I made it my business to argue with the millions of Kobe fans. If Kobe never had head-coach Phil Jackson/triangle-roster .. Kobe career would be ringless.

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