crzymdups wrote:Payne supposedly cancelled his Knicks workout - maybe trading back is no longer in the Knicks plans?

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https://twitter.com/News10Sean/status/609159045828726784

A shame, I like him. Does seem odd.

BRIGGS wrote:Supposedly Fuzaro was awesome today

Read something else today about the Knicks looking hard for a late #1 or 2nd round pick (can't remember if they said early or late).

Also read about our interest in a 6'11" French player Miah? Mentioned him in another post.

Phil was there...not sure you can ask for anything better, as long as he and his woman were paying attention.

I see Fuzaro as kind of a miniature Hezonja.

Gut feeling- we are getting OK4.

Questions- read a Laker post (after Russell cancelled, today) in the RealGM Philly forum about his belief that one reason Russell shut things down is that LA will take Russell and make a trade with the Knicks for our 4, and they will give us Nick Young (cap clearing), and then get the leftover big- Porzingis/OK4, Philly does not take. Don't think this was an "official rumor."

Strange, since we would end up with 2 guards in the deal. Would love that 27 th pickAny thoughts on this guy's theory? Could you live with Young if we got Russell?

Would you be happy if we came away with OK4, not Porzingis, and Fuzaro in this draft?

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Supposedly Fuzaro was awesome today

Read something else today about the Knicks looking hard for a late #1 or 2nd round pick (can't remember if they said early or late).

Also read about our interest in a 6'11" French player Miah? Mentioned him in another post.

Phil was there...not sure you can ask for anything better, as long as he and his woman were paying attention.

I see Fuzaro as kind of a miniature Hezonja.

Gut feeling- we are getting OK4.

Questions- read a Laker post (after Russell cancelled, today) in the RealGM Philly forum about his belief that one reason Russell shut things down is that LA will take Russell and make a trade with the Knicks for our 4, and they will give us Nick Young (cap clearing), and then get the leftover big- Porzingis/OK4, Philly does not take. Don't think this was an "official rumor."

Strange, since we would end up with 2 guards in the deal. Would love that 27 th pickAny thoughts on this guy's theory? Could you live with Young if we got Russell?

Would you be happy if we came away with OK4, not Porzingis, and Fuzaro in this draft?

To get okafor at 4 would be a coup of magnificent proportions given where we are. My take is we just need 1 team to take a small. My hope is that la take oak and Philly takes Russell leaving Krista for us. If not then oak but really can't lose no one will be unhappy. Lastly I'd now treat pick 4 like pick 1 .For instance if oak is 4 and congresses well give you 7 and three number 1 picks I'd do it. Would not trade porzingis even for 3 number 1s

If we got OK4 + Fuzaro, for instance, but not Porzingis, how are you feeling?

wargames wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/06/12/two-of-knicks-biggest-targets-wont-slip-to-4-source/

I hope Berman is wrong.

Expect that we're going to hear a lot of rumors, and some will conflict with each other.

Expect that each of the guys on UK will believe the rumors which have the greatest chance of getting the player we want on the Knicks.

Expect that we will now commence to argue about which which rumors are true...which are not.

Let it begin.

If we have to choose between Porzingis, Mudiay, Winslow, WCS, etc...a little concerned we don't make the right call.

wargames wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine · 3h3 hours ago
Draft scuttle: Hearing Porzingis not only in play for Philly at No. 3 but now giving Lakers something to ponder at No. 2. Stock rising fast

Someone is going to fall.

Hopefully one of them take Porzingis.

We come out of this draft with Russell or OK4, its going to be an awesome day.

If not, do you not pick Mudiay over Porz? Really?

Philly taking Porzingis is a legit option

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--76ers-center-joel-embiid-suffers-setback-with-left-foot-014042190.html

Embiid's return from injury had a setback. So if Philly is looking for a big to put next to Noel, Porzingis might be it. On the flip if LA we're to take Russell, Okafor would be a fit next to Noel too. Its all speculation but its interesting.

I can't decide about that- in some ways Neols is the perfect compliment to OK4 (makes up for defensive short comings, blocks shots, rebounds), but neither can shoot- not sure how Metric people would feel about that front court.

Non of the guys are setp right in and be superstars fist year out. If not physical limits then skills not yet perfected and Injuries will hamper any of these guys.

We go with the best player available and upside potential.
Oka4 to me has the Moses Malone/Duncan thing going and could be a monster FUNDAMENTALLY! Malone was a great rebounder because he had the desire and skills. Dwight is monster human but lacks the fundamentals.

Bottom line is we get who drops. We should be grateful Portzingus is rising as he could be ours, or help us in other ways.

Philly has Saric stashed away? They should still take Russell or Mundiay and stick to their plan.

I still see it as:

Towns/Oka4
Oka4/Towns
Russell

And then at the 4 pick........?????

Actually the biggest question is in free agency who can the lakers or knicks get? Monroe gives either team the ability to go with Russell or Mundiay. Other Than Jimmy Butler (restricted)no other 2 is available nearly as good.

Fact is no rookie can be counted on to turn a franchise around in the first year.

There is also Bargnani to consider.

Core upfront of Monroe-Bargnani-Melo is pretty potent offensively. Defense? Gonna have to address that, but the reality is Bargs is not a long term solution. Lets not forget the opponent has to stop these guys once the Triangle sets in and thats not gonna be easy.

its a draft talk so lets talk pieces:

Take the best player available!!!!!!

Nalod wrote:To the question at hand, we got Zing, Oka4 and Towns all with great athletic ability. Towns did not play more than 20 minutes most nites and had a lot of help. Oka4 had a lot of minutes, lots of doubles and a nagging ankle for two months. Kristaps looks like a SF whose floor might be Bargnani and ceiling Pau, with Dirk and Gallo in between.

Non of the guys are setp right in and be superstars fist year out. If not physical limits then skills not yet perfected and Injuries will hamper any of these guys.

We go with the best player available and upside potential.
Oka4 to me has the Moses Malone/Duncan thing going and could be a monster FUNDAMENTALLY! Malone was a great rebounder because he had the desire and skills. Dwight is monster human but lacks the fundamentals.

Bottom line is we get who drops. We should be grateful Portzingus is rising as he could be ours, or help us in other ways.

Philly has Saric stashed away? They should still take Russell or Mundiay and stick to their plan.

I still see it as:

Towns/Oka4
Oka4/Towns
Russell

And then at the 4 pick........?????

Actually the biggest question is in free agency who can the lakers or knicks get? Monroe gives either team the ability to go with Russell or Mundiay. Other Than Jimmy Butler (restricted)no other 2 is available nearly as good.

Fact is no rookie can be counted on to turn a franchise around in the first year.

There is also Bargnani to consider.

Core upfront of Monroe-Bargnani-Melo is pretty potent offensively. Defense? Gonna have to address that, but the reality is Bargs is not a long term solution. Lets not forget the opponent has to stop these guys once the Triangle sets in and thats not gonna be easy.

its a draft talk so lets talk pieces:

Take the best player available!!!!!!

How do you actually determine who the BPA is?

This is what we're all fighting about here, and talent evaluators always have battles within their organizations about what constitutes the BPA.

I look at past drafts and see the glaring mistakes made, but someone in a draft room, at some point, said "You have to take Adam Morrison...he's the BPA; you have to take Beasley, he might be the BPA in the entire draft; Bargnani is the BPA, I don't care if he's Southern European!

At some point the BPA stamp of approval becomes almost meaningless.