arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Israel reaches out to Trump to undercut a UN vote against Israel regarding settlements in Palestinian territory that Obama was going to allow...Trump tweets, Egypt drops vote at the UN...Trump undercuts Obama's authority before taking office...Unprecedented...

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811928543366148096

This is just underscoring that the fears of this man's unsuitability for office are well founded. We are seeing warning signs all over the place and he's not even sworn in yet!!! This guy is DANGEROUS!!! He's swinging a flare in a room full of TNT and Nitro.

Not a big deal.
Israel gives no rat as..ss about this resolutions.
One more one less.
Sisi junta need US support moving forward so they do not want to anger future POTUS and his pro-Jew team.
The resolution will still be put forward by other non-permanent members and Obama can still abstain as he planned.
So it is pure political show between Egypt and future US government.

Sisi wants his annual funding increased just like Israel just got their increase from 3 billion to 3.8 billion per year for the next decade...Sisi is looking for the same..So in proxy, the US tax payers are paying for Israel's land grab against the Palestinians..

PLUS the real issue here is that the things Trump and Netanyahu are likely to do will inflame things in the Muslim world. DO we really need to be stirring up that wasps nest??? I'm telling you Trump is dangerous and he's gonna F things up with his shoot from the hip style. He doesn't think things thru to any logical conclusion. He doesn't weigh the possible pitfalls of his actions. He just wants to Cowboy his way thru everything like it's the 80's.

Its not land grab but getting back what is theirs.
Palestinians are artificially created nation with the only purpose to fight Israel.
They are not capable of governing anything which is widely documented fact.
Jews finance Israel and Arab powers and anti-Semitic Europeans finance Palestinians.
Regular struggle which is going on for hundreds year already and will go on.

This is great. What is your solution for peace, just say F'em and act like the Palestinians aren't there? That's basically what Trump and Netanyahu are probably going to do. That is NOT going to calm things down.

So far Palestinians trying to maintain current status quo indefinitely by putting force the Jerusalem issue as the main requirement for piece.
They know that Israel will never withdraw from its historic Capital and 500 thousands settlers are not going to leave.
This city is as sacred for Jews as Mecca and Medina for Muslims. Its the same as US will be asked to withdrew from Washington.
If Palestinian want to have independent country they should give up on this condition.
But then they will lose all financial, political, and any other help from Arab world.
They know that they are shielded from overall calamity only until the moment they needed to fight Israel.
In fact Israel is the only one who can guaranty that Palestinian state will survive in all-out Muslim world religious Civil War.
Jordanians get it, Kurds get it, even SiSi get it. Time for Palestinians to get it.
Palestinians rebels future is looking bad. ISIS considered them enemies and traitors as they fighting together with Hezbollah under Iranian Shia command.
They are between the hammer and hard place. Time for them to think about the situation before other massacre alike one they endure in Jordan will transpire gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Israel reaches out to Trump to undercut a UN vote against Israel regarding settlements in Palestinian territory that Obama was going to allow...Trump tweets, Egypt drops vote at the UN...Trump undercuts Obama's authority before taking office...Unprecedented...

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811928543366148096

This is just underscoring that the fears of this man's unsuitability for office are well founded. We are seeing warning signs all over the place and he's not even sworn in yet!!! This guy is DANGEROUS!!! He's swinging a flare in a room full of TNT and Nitro.

Not a big deal.
Israel gives no rat as..ss about this resolutions.
One more one less.
Sisi junta need US support moving forward so they do not want to anger future POTUS and his pro-Jew team.
The resolution will still be put forward by other non-permanent members and Obama can still abstain as he planned.
So it is pure political show between Egypt and future US government.

Sisi wants his annual funding increased just like Israel just got their increase from 3 billion to 3.8 billion per year for the next decade...Sisi is looking for the same..So in proxy, the US tax payers are paying for Israel's land grab against the Palestinians..

PLUS the real issue here is that the things Trump and Netanyahu are likely to do will inflame things in the Muslim world. DO we really need to be stirring up that wasps nest??? I'm telling you Trump is dangerous and he's gonna F things up with his shoot from the hip style. He doesn't think things thru to any logical conclusion. He doesn't weigh the possible pitfalls of his actions. He just wants to Cowboy his way thru everything like it's the 80's.

Its not land grab but getting back what is theirs.
Palestinians are artificially created nation with the only purpose to fight Israel.
They are not capable of governing anything which is widely documented fact.
Jews finance Israel and Arab powers and anti-Semitic Europeans finance Palestinians.
Regular struggle which is going on for hundreds year already and will go on.

This is great. What is your solution for peace, just say F'em and act like the Palestinians aren't there? That's basically what Trump and Netanyahu are probably going to do. That is NOT going to calm things down.

So far Palestinians trying to maintain current status quo indefinitely by putting force the Jerusalem issue as the main requirement for piece.
They know that Israel will never withdraw from its historic Capital and 500 thousands settlers are not going to leave.
This city is as sacred for Jews as Mecca and Medina for Muslims. Its the same as US will be asked to withdrew from Washington.
If Palestinian want to have independent country they should give up on this condition.
But then they will lose all financial, political, and any other help from Arab world.
They know that they are shielded from overall calamity only until the moment they needed to fight Israel.
In fact Israel is the only one who can guaranty that Palestinian state will survive in all-out Muslim world religious Civil War.
Jordanians get it, Kurds get it, even SiSi get it. Time for Palestinians to get it.
Palestinians rebels future is looking bad. ISIS considered them enemies and traitors as they fighting together with Hezbollah under Iranian Shia command.
They are between the hammer and hard place. Time for them to think about the situation before other massacre alike one they endure in Jordan will transpire gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Palestinian future looks bad??..What happens then when there is a majority of Arabs in Israel in 2030/35, Apartheid??

This is not an issue at all:

Generally, population trends in Israel reflect distinct patterns of three sub-groups: Non-Haredi Jews (around 63.3% of the population), Haredi Jews (11.7%), and Arabs (20.7%).[5] Over the past decade, the Muslim annual population growth has fallen significantly from around 3% to less than 2.2% by 2013,[6] while the overall Jewish growth rate rose from around 1.4% to 1.7%, primarily due to the expanding Haredi sector

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Israel reaches out to Trump to undercut a UN vote against Israel regarding settlements in Palestinian territory that Obama was going to allow...Trump tweets, Egypt drops vote at the UN...Trump undercuts Obama's authority before taking office...Unprecedented...

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811928543366148096

This is just underscoring that the fears of this man's unsuitability for office are well founded. We are seeing warning signs all over the place and he's not even sworn in yet!!! This guy is DANGEROUS!!! He's swinging a flare in a room full of TNT and Nitro.

Not a big deal.
Israel gives no rat as..ss about this resolutions.
One more one less.
Sisi junta need US support moving forward so they do not want to anger future POTUS and his pro-Jew team.
The resolution will still be put forward by other non-permanent members and Obama can still abstain as he planned.
So it is pure political show between Egypt and future US government.

Sisi wants his annual funding increased just like Israel just got their increase from 3 billion to 3.8 billion per year for the next decade...Sisi is looking for the same..So in proxy, the US tax payers are paying for Israel's land grab against the Palestinians..

PLUS the real issue here is that the things Trump and Netanyahu are likely to do will inflame things in the Muslim world. DO we really need to be stirring up that wasps nest??? I'm telling you Trump is dangerous and he's gonna F things up with his shoot from the hip style. He doesn't think things thru to any logical conclusion. He doesn't weigh the possible pitfalls of his actions. He just wants to Cowboy his way thru everything like it's the 80's.

Its not land grab but getting back what is theirs.
Palestinians are artificially created nation with the only purpose to fight Israel.
They are not capable of governing anything which is widely documented fact.
Jews finance Israel and Arab powers and anti-Semitic Europeans finance Palestinians.
Regular struggle which is going on for hundreds year already and will go on.

This is great. What is your solution for peace, just say F'em and act like the Palestinians aren't there? That's basically what Trump and Netanyahu are probably going to do. That is NOT going to calm things down.

So far Palestinians trying to maintain current status quo indefinitely by putting force the Jerusalem issue as the main requirement for piece.
They know that Israel will never withdraw from its historic Capital and 500 thousands settlers are not going to leave.
This city is as sacred for Jews as Mecca and Medina for Muslims. Its the same as US will be asked to withdrew from Washington.
If Palestinian want to have independent country they should give up on this condition.
But then they will lose all financial, political, and any other help from Arab world.
They know that they are shielded from overall calamity only until the moment they needed to fight Israel.
In fact Israel is the only one who can guaranty that Palestinian state will survive in all-out Muslim world religious Civil War.
Jordanians get it, Kurds get it, even SiSi get it. Time for Palestinians to get it.
Palestinians rebels future is looking bad. ISIS considered them enemies and traitors as they fighting together with Hezbollah under Iranian Shia command.
They are between the hammer and hard place. Time for them to think about the situation before other massacre alike one they endure in Jordan will transpire gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Palestinian future looks bad??..What happens then when there is a majority of Arabs in Israel in 2030/35, Apartheid??

This is not an issue at all:

Generally, population trends in Israel reflect distinct patterns of three sub-groups: Non-Haredi Jews (around 63.3% of the population), Haredi Jews (11.7%), and Arabs (20.7%).[5] Over the past decade, the Muslim annual population growth has fallen significantly from around 3% to less than 2.2% by 2013,[6] while the overall Jewish growth rate rose from around 1.4% to 1.7%, primarily due to the expanding Haredi sector

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
As Palestinian Arabs in Israel are leaving in advanced modern society the birth rate is going down same as everywhere.
There is nothing wrong with Palestinian Arabs. They are same people as you and me.
The problem is the culture of hate and religious vandalism of Islamism they are exposed to in Arab world.

The expansion of the settlements directly affects the future of the two state solution..Netanyahu definitely doesn't want a two state solution so by expanding the settlements he blunts other nations negotiation points like the United States...So the settlement doesn't only effect the Palestinians but the United States as an intermediary...That's why he is pushing this so hard as Obama is leaving...Trump is clueless and they all know it..He doesn't understand or care to be honest..

If Palestinians will stop demanding Jerusalem Israel will have no choice but recognize Palestinian State.
This is the obstacle which one of the sites will need to let go.
And this is the only chance for Palestinians to get their own state as Israel will not go for it any other way.
And no one, including US can force Israel to do it. They have too much economical, political, and military power including Nuks.
In general this is highly unlikely for Palestinian state to be created when all political map of Muslim World is up to complete redefine.
Trump like any politician need to figure out what will going to transpire.
All of them are not changing the course of history but rather trying to predict where the wind is blowing to sail in right direction.
Our political edge is an age of political Lilliputs. Some high level freak-show.

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Israel reaches out to Trump to undercut a UN vote against Israel regarding settlements in Palestinian territory that Obama was going to allow...Trump tweets, Egypt drops vote at the UN...Trump undercuts Obama's authority before taking office...Unprecedented...

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811928543366148096

This is just underscoring that the fears of this man's unsuitability for office are well founded. We are seeing warning signs all over the place and he's not even sworn in yet!!! This guy is DANGEROUS!!! He's swinging a flare in a room full of TNT and Nitro.

Not a big deal.
Israel gives no rat as..ss about this resolutions.
One more one less.
Sisi junta need US support moving forward so they do not want to anger future POTUS and his pro-Jew team.
The resolution will still be put forward by other non-permanent members and Obama can still abstain as he planned.
So it is pure political show between Egypt and future US government.

Sisi wants his annual funding increased just like Israel just got their increase from 3 billion to 3.8 billion per year for the next decade...Sisi is looking for the same..So in proxy, the US tax payers are paying for Israel's land grab against the Palestinians..

PLUS the real issue here is that the things Trump and Netanyahu are likely to do will inflame things in the Muslim world. DO we really need to be stirring up that wasps nest??? I'm telling you Trump is dangerous and he's gonna F things up with his shoot from the hip style. He doesn't think things thru to any logical conclusion. He doesn't weigh the possible pitfalls of his actions. He just wants to Cowboy his way thru everything like it's the 80's.

Its not land grab but getting back what is theirs.
Palestinians are artificially created nation with the only purpose to fight Israel.
They are not capable of governing anything which is widely documented fact.
Jews finance Israel and Arab powers and anti-Semitic Europeans finance Palestinians.
Regular struggle which is going on for hundreds year already and will go on.

This is great. What is your solution for peace, just say F'em and act like the Palestinians aren't there? That's basically what Trump and Netanyahu are probably going to do. That is NOT going to calm things down.

So far Palestinians trying to maintain current status quo indefinitely by putting force the Jerusalem issue as the main requirement for piece.
They know that Israel will never withdraw from its historic Capital and 500 thousands settlers are not going to leave.
This city is as sacred for Jews as Mecca and Medina for Muslims. Its the same as US will be asked to withdrew from Washington.
If Palestinian want to have independent country they should give up on this condition.
But then they will lose all financial, political, and any other help from Arab world.
They know that they are shielded from overall calamity only until the moment they needed to fight Israel.
In fact Israel is the only one who can guaranty that Palestinian state will survive in all-out Muslim world religious Civil War.
Jordanians get it, Kurds get it, even SiSi get it. Time for Palestinians to get it.
Palestinians rebels future is looking bad. ISIS considered them enemies and traitors as they fighting together with Hezbollah under Iranian Shia command.
They are between the hammer and hard place. Time for them to think about the situation before other massacre alike one they endure in Jordan will transpire gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Palestinian future looks bad??..What happens then when there is a majority of Arabs in Israel in 2030/35, Apartheid??

This is not an issue at all:

Generally, population trends in Israel reflect distinct patterns of three sub-groups: Non-Haredi Jews (around 63.3% of the population), Haredi Jews (11.7%), and Arabs (20.7%).[5] Over the past decade, the Muslim annual population growth has fallen significantly from around 3% to less than 2.2% by 2013,[6] while the overall Jewish growth rate rose from around 1.4% to 1.7%, primarily due to the expanding Haredi sector

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
As Palestinian Arabs in Israel are leaving in advanced modern society the birth rate is going down same as everywhere.
There is nothing wrong with Palestinian Arabs. They are same people as you and me.
The problem is the culture of hate and religious vandalism of Islamism they are exposed to in Arab world.

The expansion of the settlements directly affects the future of the two state solution..Netanyahu definitely doesn't want a two state solution so by expanding the settlements he blunts other nations negotiation points like the United States...So the settlement doesn't only effect the Palestinians but the United States as an intermediary...That's why he is pushing this so hard as Obama is leaving...Trump is clueless and they all know it..He doesn't understand or care to be honest..

If Palestinians will stop demanding Jerusalem Israel will have no choice but recognize Palestinian State.
This is the obstacle which one of the sites will need to let go.
And this is the only chance for Palestinians to get their own state as Israel will not go for it any other way.
And no one, including US can force Israel to do it. They have too much economical, political, and military power including Nuks.
In general this is highly unlikely for Palestinian state to be created when all political map of Muslim World is up to complete redefine.

That's not going to happen..Jerusalem means the same thing for the Palestinians as it does the Israelis...You are asking them to give up their beliefs...They will die first...Israel has so much power yet it needs the US to have it's back in the Middle East..And needs 3.8 billion dollars annually of US tax payer money and other concessions..Right..The last time there was a negotiation when Bush was in office..The built settlements where they weren't suppose to built it..So they sent a delegation to the US to meet the Bush administration to ask for the money to pay back all the home owners who had to give up land and houses they encroached upon...The only reason Bush didn't go along was because he had to pay for Katrina hurricane damage..Either way the US pays for it, right..They can't lose...Just sickening...

Israel already have GDP bigger than Russia.
Their yearly budget approaching 100 billions dollars.
US help is appreciated but Jews of the world can provide more.
The time of need in financial subsidies is over.
They do no need "things" from US anymore.
Israel need moral, political, and military support from US.
This saves lives of Israel citizens.
There are other regional and global option for strategic partnership but US still is number 1.
Israel is the only country which shares the values of US democracy in the region.
It s strategic base for US military and shares invaluable intelligence info with US.
What US can get from Palestinians? A couple more suicide bombers?

nixluva wrote:Arkrud I noticed you didn't respond to my post regarding your post! I find it interesting how people that are genetically related can be so vicious to each other mostly based on religion and politics. This happens everywhere. You are all ready to talk about the commonality of man except in the case of Israel!

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:Palestinians are Arab tribes. Arabs have tens of countries.
Palestinians should have leave in any but were prosecuted, massacred, and exiled by fellow Arabs.
Other Arab nations don't want then closer that the shot distance.
More that million of Palestinian Arabs leave in Israel.
They do have ways to go to get the full trust of the rest of the country but they do not want and do not forced out.
If they really wanted to have piece they should do some concession.
Settle the territorial issue and then govern. For now it is just terrorist enclave like ISIS Caliphate.

Who are the Palestinians?

Blood Brothers: Palestinians and Jews Share Genetic Roots
Jews break down into three genetic groups, all of which have Middle Eastern origins – which are shared with the Palestinians and Druze.

Josie Glausiusz Oct 20, 2015 2:38 PM

Confronted by the violence sweeping over Israel, it can be easy to overlook the things that Jews and Palestinians share: a deep attachment to the same sliver of contested land, a shared appetite for hummus, a common tradition of descent from the patriarch Abraham, and, as scientific research shows - a common genetic ancestry, as well.

Several major studies published in the past five years attest to these ancient hereditary links. At the forefront of these efforts are two researchers: Harry Ostrer, professor of pediatrics and pathology at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York, and Karl Skorecki, director of medical and research development at the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa. Back in June 2010, and within two days of each other, the two scientists and their research teams published extensive analyses of the genetic origins of the Jewish people and their Near East ancestry.

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012.

“Karl and I are good friends,” Ostrer told Haaretz by telephone from New York. “We used somewhat different analytical methods—there’s no claim there for superiority, or one side versus the other.” In their results, as well, “there was really very little difference at all.”
Ostrer’s research on “Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era,” published in The American Journal of Human Genetics, sampled 652,000 gene variants from each of 237 unrelated individuals from seven Jewish populations: Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Ashkenazi. These sequences were then compared with reference samples from non-Jews drawn from The Human Genome Diversity Project, a global database of genetic information gathered from populations across the world.

Each of the Jewish populations, they found, “formed its own distinctive cluster,” indicating their shared ancestry and “relative genetic isolation.”

Ostrer’s team also identified two major groups of Jews: Middle Eastern Jews (Iranian and Iraqi) and European/Syrian Jews. The split between these two groups of Jews occurred some 2,500 years ago.

Cousins with the Druze and French

Both groups of Jews shared ancestry with contemporary Middle Eastern and Southern European populations. The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians. The closest genetic relatives of the European group of Jews are Northern Italians, followed by Sardinians and French.

In a 2012 study, Ostrer identified North African Jews as a third major group. In Skorecki’s study on the genome-wide structure of the Jewish people,  published in the journal Nature, he and his fellow researchers sampled tens of thousands of genetic variants from the genomes of 121 individuals hailing from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities, and compared these variants with samples drawn from 1,166 individuals from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations.

They found that Jews from the Caucasus (Azerbaijan and Georgia), the Middle East (Iran and Iraq) North Africa (Morocco) and Sephardi and Ashkenazi communities, as well as Samaritans, form a “tight cluster” that overlaps with Israeli Druze.

This, the authors write, “is consistent with an ancestral Levantine contribution to much of contemporary Jewry.”
In addition, a “compact cluster” of Yemenite Jews “overlaps primarily with Bedouins but also with Saudi individuals.” Ethiopian and Indian Jews are more closely related to their own neighboring, host populations.

Middle East origins in European Jews

Further evidence for the Middle Eastern origins of Ashjenazi Jews came from a study published in 2014: In that research, which appeared in Nature Communications, a team led by Shai Carmi of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem sequenced the complete genomes of 128 people of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. Their analysis revealed that the Ashkenazi Jewish population is “an even mix” of European and Middle Eastern ancestral populations—suggesting, as Carmi writes on the web site of The Ashkenazi Genome Consortium (TAGC), “a sex-biased process, where, say, Middle-Eastern Jewish men married European non-Jewish women.”

Are these genetic ties between Jews, Palestinians, Bedouin, and Druze important in a contemporary context? “It doesn’t matter to me personally,” Skorecki says, “since I think that global human identity supersedes all other considerations.”

“We want to know who we are and where we came from,” Ostrer, who is now studying cancer risks among Ashkenazi Jews and Northern Israeli Druze populations, sums up. Even so, shared ancestry doesn’t necessarily imply a special bond. As Ostrer notes, citing the Biblical tale of Cain and Abel, “the fact that people are related to one another doesn’t prevent their developing extreme hostility to one another.”

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385

I do not think genetics is the most influential factor in inter-race or inter-national relationships.
It has some influence of course as people tend to be vary of other people who not look-alike.
I think the cultural differences are much more important. Specifically things that people value more in life.
Palestinians were heavily converted into Arab-Islamic culture which is very different from Jewish or Christian.
Jews value individuals life, prosperity, well-being, and freedom of choice and expression very high.
Islamic culture values devotion to Islam, Prophet, and Sharia laws much higher that life and well-being of specific individual.
I am not saying they are evil. They just different.
The borders, armies,and countries exist for a reason.
To separate people with different cultures which are not ready to merge or even peacefully interact.
Some organizations names themselves "Nation Of Islam" for a reason.
Every nation should have opportunity to try independently figure out what is right and what is wrong, what is working and what is not.
Unfortunately not every nation get this opportunity. Planet Earth is getting to small for this.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:Arkrud I noticed you didn't respond to my post regarding your post! I find it interesting how people that are genetically related can be so vicious to each other mostly based on religion and politics. This happens everywhere. You are all ready to talk about the commonality of man except in the case of Israel!

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:Palestinians are Arab tribes. Arabs have tens of countries.
Palestinians should have leave in any but were prosecuted, massacred, and exiled by fellow Arabs.
Other Arab nations don't want then closer that the shot distance.
More that million of Palestinian Arabs leave in Israel.
They do have ways to go to get the full trust of the rest of the country but they do not want and do not forced out.
If they really wanted to have piece they should do some concession.
Settle the territorial issue and then govern. For now it is just terrorist enclave like ISIS Caliphate.

Who are the Palestinians?

Blood Brothers: Palestinians and Jews Share Genetic Roots
Jews break down into three genetic groups, all of which have Middle Eastern origins – which are shared with the Palestinians and Druze.

Josie Glausiusz Oct 20, 2015 2:38 PM

Confronted by the violence sweeping over Israel, it can be easy to overlook the things that Jews and Palestinians share: a deep attachment to the same sliver of contested land, a shared appetite for hummus, a common tradition of descent from the patriarch Abraham, and, as scientific research shows - a common genetic ancestry, as well.

Several major studies published in the past five years attest to these ancient hereditary links. At the forefront of these efforts are two researchers: Harry Ostrer, professor of pediatrics and pathology at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York, and Karl Skorecki, director of medical and research development at the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa. Back in June 2010, and within two days of each other, the two scientists and their research teams published extensive analyses of the genetic origins of the Jewish people and their Near East ancestry.

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012.

“Karl and I are good friends,” Ostrer told Haaretz by telephone from New York. “We used somewhat different analytical methods—there’s no claim there for superiority, or one side versus the other.” In their results, as well, “there was really very little difference at all.”
Ostrer’s research on “Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era,” published in The American Journal of Human Genetics, sampled 652,000 gene variants from each of 237 unrelated individuals from seven Jewish populations: Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Ashkenazi. These sequences were then compared with reference samples from non-Jews drawn from The Human Genome Diversity Project, a global database of genetic information gathered from populations across the world.

Each of the Jewish populations, they found, “formed its own distinctive cluster,” indicating their shared ancestry and “relative genetic isolation.”

Ostrer’s team also identified two major groups of Jews: Middle Eastern Jews (Iranian and Iraqi) and European/Syrian Jews. The split between these two groups of Jews occurred some 2,500 years ago.

Cousins with the Druze and French

Both groups of Jews shared ancestry with contemporary Middle Eastern and Southern European populations. The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians. The closest genetic relatives of the European group of Jews are Northern Italians, followed by Sardinians and French.

In a 2012 study, Ostrer identified North African Jews as a third major group. In Skorecki’s study on the genome-wide structure of the Jewish people,  published in the journal Nature, he and his fellow researchers sampled tens of thousands of genetic variants from the genomes of 121 individuals hailing from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities, and compared these variants with samples drawn from 1,166 individuals from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations.

They found that Jews from the Caucasus (Azerbaijan and Georgia), the Middle East (Iran and Iraq) North Africa (Morocco) and Sephardi and Ashkenazi communities, as well as Samaritans, form a “tight cluster” that overlaps with Israeli Druze.

This, the authors write, “is consistent with an ancestral Levantine contribution to much of contemporary Jewry.”
In addition, a “compact cluster” of Yemenite Jews “overlaps primarily with Bedouins but also with Saudi individuals.” Ethiopian and Indian Jews are more closely related to their own neighboring, host populations.

Middle East origins in European Jews

Further evidence for the Middle Eastern origins of Ashjenazi Jews came from a study published in 2014: In that research, which appeared in Nature Communications, a team led by Shai Carmi of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem sequenced the complete genomes of 128 people of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. Their analysis revealed that the Ashkenazi Jewish population is “an even mix” of European and Middle Eastern ancestral populations—suggesting, as Carmi writes on the web site of The Ashkenazi Genome Consortium (TAGC), “a sex-biased process, where, say, Middle-Eastern Jewish men married European non-Jewish women.”

Are these genetic ties between Jews, Palestinians, Bedouin, and Druze important in a contemporary context? “It doesn’t matter to me personally,” Skorecki says, “since I think that global human identity supersedes all other considerations.”

“We want to know who we are and where we came from,” Ostrer, who is now studying cancer risks among Ashkenazi Jews and Northern Israeli Druze populations, sums up. Even so, shared ancestry doesn’t necessarily imply a special bond. As Ostrer notes, citing the Biblical tale of Cain and Abel, “the fact that people are related to one another doesn’t prevent their developing extreme hostility to one another.”

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385

I do not think genetics is the most influential factor in inter-race or inter-national relationships.
It has some influence of course as people tend to be vary of other people who not look-alike.
I think the cultural differences are much more important. Specifically things that people value more in life.
Palestinians were heavily converted into Arab-Islamic culture which is very different from Jewish or Christian.
Jews value individuals life, prosperity, well-being, and freedom of choice and expression very high.
Islamic culture values devotion to Islam, Prophet, and Sharia laws much higher that life and well-being of specific individual.
I am not saying they are evil. They just different.
The borders, armies,and countries exist for a reason.
To separate people with different cultures which are not ready to merge or even peacefully interact.
Some organizations names themselves "Nation Of Islam" for a reason.
Every nation should have opportunity to try independently figure out what is right and what is wrong, what is working and what is not.
Unfortunately not every nation get this opportunity. Planet Earth is getting to small for this.

All I hear is BULLSHIT! Palestinians are just Jews that never left and had to convert to Islam. The way you talk is as if they are totally different when in fact they're the CLOSEST TO THE JEWS OF ANY PEOPLE ON EARTH! Yes the culture is different but damn! You all come from the same forefathers. Perhaps if more of you all considered that shared blood it might make a difference. It's a lesson for all people including these idiots that shoot each other in the Black community over fabricated differences.

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holfresh wrote:Israel reaches out to Trump to undercut a UN vote against Israel regarding settlements in Palestinian territory that Obama was going to allow...Trump tweets, Egypt drops vote at the UN...Trump undercuts Obama's authority before taking office...Unprecedented...

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811928543366148096

This is just underscoring that the fears of this man's unsuitability for office are well founded. We are seeing warning signs all over the place and he's not even sworn in yet!!! This guy is DANGEROUS!!! He's swinging a flare in a room full of TNT and Nitro.

Not a big deal.
Israel gives no rat as..ss about this resolutions.
One more one less.
Sisi junta need US support moving forward so they do not want to anger future POTUS and his pro-Jew team.
The resolution will still be put forward by other non-permanent members and Obama can still abstain as he planned.
So it is pure political show between Egypt and future US government.

Sisi wants his annual funding increased just like Israel just got their increase from 3 billion to 3.8 billion per year for the next decade...Sisi is looking for the same..So in proxy, the US tax payers are paying for Israel's land grab against the Palestinians..

PLUS the real issue here is that the things Trump and Netanyahu are likely to do will inflame things in the Muslim world. DO we really need to be stirring up that wasps nest??? I'm telling you Trump is dangerous and he's gonna F things up with his shoot from the hip style. He doesn't think things thru to any logical conclusion. He doesn't weigh the possible pitfalls of his actions. He just wants to Cowboy his way thru everything like it's the 80's.

Its not land grab but getting back what is theirs.
Palestinians are artificially created nation with the only purpose to fight Israel.
They are not capable of governing anything which is widely documented fact.
Jews finance Israel and Arab powers and anti-Semitic Europeans finance Palestinians.
Regular struggle which is going on for hundreds year already and will go on.

This is great. What is your solution for peace, just say F'em and act like the Palestinians aren't there? That's basically what Trump and Netanyahu are probably going to do. That is NOT going to calm things down.

So far Palestinians trying to maintain current status quo indefinitely by putting force the Jerusalem issue as the main requirement for piece.
They know that Israel will never withdraw from its historic Capital and 500 thousands settlers are not going to leave.
This city is as sacred for Jews as Mecca and Medina for Muslims. Its the same as US will be asked to withdrew from Washington.
If Palestinian want to have independent country they should give up on this condition.
But then they will lose all financial, political, and any other help from Arab world.
They know that they are shielded from overall calamity only until the moment they needed to fight Israel.
In fact Israel is the only one who can guaranty that Palestinian state will survive in all-out Muslim world religious Civil War.
Jordanians get it, Kurds get it, even SiSi get it. Time for Palestinians to get it.
Palestinians rebels future is looking bad. ISIS considered them enemies and traitors as they fighting together with Hezbollah under Iranian Shia command.
They are between the hammer and hard place. Time for them to think about the situation before other massacre alike one they endure in Jordan will transpire gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Palestinian future looks bad??..What happens then when there is a majority of Arabs in Israel in 2030/35, Apartheid??

This is not an issue at all:

Generally, population trends in Israel reflect distinct patterns of three sub-groups: Non-Haredi Jews (around 63.3% of the population), Haredi Jews (11.7%), and Arabs (20.7%).[5] Over the past decade, the Muslim annual population growth has fallen significantly from around 3% to less than 2.2% by 2013,[6] while the overall Jewish growth rate rose from around 1.4% to 1.7%, primarily due to the expanding Haredi sector

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
As Palestinian Arabs in Israel are leaving in advanced modern society the birth rate is going down same as everywhere.
There is nothing wrong with Palestinian Arabs. They are same people as you and me.
The problem is the culture of hate and religious vandalism of Islamism they are exposed to in Arab world.

The expansion of the settlements directly affects the future of the two state solution..Netanyahu definitely doesn't want a two state solution so by expanding the settlements he blunts other nations negotiation points like the United States...So the settlement doesn't only effect the Palestinians but the United States as an intermediary...That's why he is pushing this so hard as Obama is leaving...Trump is clueless and they all know it..He doesn't understand or care to be honest..

If Palestinians will stop demanding Jerusalem Israel will have no choice but recognize Palestinian State.
This is the obstacle which one of the sites will need to let go.
And this is the only chance for Palestinians to get their own state as Israel will not go for it any other way.
And no one, including US can force Israel to do it. They have too much economical, political, and military power including Nuks.
In general this is highly unlikely for Palestinian state to be created when all political map of Muslim World is up to complete redefine.

That's not going to happen..Jerusalem means the same thing for the Palestinians as it does the Israelis...You are asking them to give up their beliefs...They will die first...Israel has so much power yet it needs the US to have it's back in the Middle East..And needs 3.8 billion dollars annually of US tax payer money and other concessions..Right..The last time there was a negotiation when Bush was in office..The built settlements where they weren't suppose to built it..So they sent a delegation to the US to meet the Bush administration to ask for the money to pay back all the home owners who had to give up land and houses they encroached upon...The only reason Bush didn't go along was because he had to pay for Katrina hurricane damage..Either way the US pays for it, right..They can't lose...Just sickening...

Israel already have GDP bigger than Russia.
Their yearly budget approaching 100 billions dollars.
US help is appreciated but Jews of the world can provide more.
The time of need in financial subsidies is over.
They do no need "things" from US anymore.
Israel need moral, political, and military support from US.
This saves lives of Israel citizens.
There are other regional and global option for strategic partnership but US still is number 1.
Israel is the only country which shares the values of US democracy in the region.
It s strategic base for US military and shares invaluable intelligence info with US.
What US can get from Palestinians? A couple more suicide bombers?

Russia's GDP was 2 trillion USD in 2013 and only 1.3 trillion after Obama's sanctions...Israel is ~300 billion...That's why you prop Trump up as your front man to get some sort of relief on the sanctions..Trump and his Texas oil man will help you with the sanctions..In regards to the Palestinians, its just doing the right thing...I believe in helping the least of us...And I haven't heard of any Palestinians suicide bombers..The two state solution has always been the best option..But the right in Israel, Natanyahu, will never allow it..

The US should always try to keep it's high moral ground...Israel wants the US to compromise it's standards...Trump will acquiesce...He has no morals..

I obviously was talking about per capita GDP:
US - 15th
Israel - 38th
Russia - 77th

There is no moral in politic. Every country act in best interest of its citizens.
And this interest will be opposite in many cases.
That's why countries exist.
Utopian politics destroy the balance of interests and then whole countries are suffering Civil War, genocide, displacement of people, etc.
Look what we done with trying to "to do the best thing" in Arab world. Just death and destruction.
If people are not ready for democracy and open society why force it? They need to evolve by their own.

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nixluva wrote:Arkrud I noticed you didn't respond to my post regarding your post! I find it interesting how people that are genetically related can be so vicious to each other mostly based on religion and politics. This happens everywhere. You are all ready to talk about the commonality of man except in the case of Israel!

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arkrud wrote:Palestinians are Arab tribes. Arabs have tens of countries.
Palestinians should have leave in any but were prosecuted, massacred, and exiled by fellow Arabs.
Other Arab nations don't want then closer that the shot distance.
More that million of Palestinian Arabs leave in Israel.
They do have ways to go to get the full trust of the rest of the country but they do not want and do not forced out.
If they really wanted to have piece they should do some concession.
Settle the territorial issue and then govern. For now it is just terrorist enclave like ISIS Caliphate.

Who are the Palestinians?

Blood Brothers: Palestinians and Jews Share Genetic Roots
Jews break down into three genetic groups, all of which have Middle Eastern origins – which are shared with the Palestinians and Druze.

Josie Glausiusz Oct 20, 2015 2:38 PM

Confronted by the violence sweeping over Israel, it can be easy to overlook the things that Jews and Palestinians share: a deep attachment to the same sliver of contested land, a shared appetite for hummus, a common tradition of descent from the patriarch Abraham, and, as scientific research shows - a common genetic ancestry, as well.

Several major studies published in the past five years attest to these ancient hereditary links. At the forefront of these efforts are two researchers: Harry Ostrer, professor of pediatrics and pathology at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York, and Karl Skorecki, director of medical and research development at the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa. Back in June 2010, and within two days of each other, the two scientists and their research teams published extensive analyses of the genetic origins of the Jewish people and their Near East ancestry.

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012.

“Karl and I are good friends,” Ostrer told Haaretz by telephone from New York. “We used somewhat different analytical methods—there’s no claim there for superiority, or one side versus the other.” In their results, as well, “there was really very little difference at all.”
Ostrer’s research on “Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era,” published in The American Journal of Human Genetics, sampled 652,000 gene variants from each of 237 unrelated individuals from seven Jewish populations: Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Ashkenazi. These sequences were then compared with reference samples from non-Jews drawn from The Human Genome Diversity Project, a global database of genetic information gathered from populations across the world.

Each of the Jewish populations, they found, “formed its own distinctive cluster,” indicating their shared ancestry and “relative genetic isolation.”

Ostrer’s team also identified two major groups of Jews: Middle Eastern Jews (Iranian and Iraqi) and European/Syrian Jews. The split between these two groups of Jews occurred some 2,500 years ago.

Cousins with the Druze and French

Both groups of Jews shared ancestry with contemporary Middle Eastern and Southern European populations. The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians. The closest genetic relatives of the European group of Jews are Northern Italians, followed by Sardinians and French.

In a 2012 study, Ostrer identified North African Jews as a third major group. In Skorecki’s study on the genome-wide structure of the Jewish people,  published in the journal Nature, he and his fellow researchers sampled tens of thousands of genetic variants from the genomes of 121 individuals hailing from 14 Jewish Diaspora communities, and compared these variants with samples drawn from 1,166 individuals from 69 Old World non-Jewish populations.

They found that Jews from the Caucasus (Azerbaijan and Georgia), the Middle East (Iran and Iraq) North Africa (Morocco) and Sephardi and Ashkenazi communities, as well as Samaritans, form a “tight cluster” that overlaps with Israeli Druze.

This, the authors write, “is consistent with an ancestral Levantine contribution to much of contemporary Jewry.”
In addition, a “compact cluster” of Yemenite Jews “overlaps primarily with Bedouins but also with Saudi individuals.” Ethiopian and Indian Jews are more closely related to their own neighboring, host populations.

Middle East origins in European Jews

Further evidence for the Middle Eastern origins of Ashjenazi Jews came from a study published in 2014: In that research, which appeared in Nature Communications, a team led by Shai Carmi of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem sequenced the complete genomes of 128 people of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. Their analysis revealed that the Ashkenazi Jewish population is “an even mix” of European and Middle Eastern ancestral populations—suggesting, as Carmi writes on the web site of The Ashkenazi Genome Consortium (TAGC), “a sex-biased process, where, say, Middle-Eastern Jewish men married European non-Jewish women.”

Are these genetic ties between Jews, Palestinians, Bedouin, and Druze important in a contemporary context? “It doesn’t matter to me personally,” Skorecki says, “since I think that global human identity supersedes all other considerations.”

“We want to know who we are and where we came from,” Ostrer, who is now studying cancer risks among Ashkenazi Jews and Northern Israeli Druze populations, sums up. Even so, shared ancestry doesn’t necessarily imply a special bond. As Ostrer notes, citing the Biblical tale of Cain and Abel, “the fact that people are related to one another doesn’t prevent their developing extreme hostility to one another.”

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/science/1.681385

I do not think genetics is the most influential factor in inter-race or inter-national relationships.
It has some influence of course as people tend to be vary of other people who not look-alike.
I think the cultural differences are much more important. Specifically things that people value more in life.
Palestinians were heavily converted into Arab-Islamic culture which is very different from Jewish or Christian.
Jews value individuals life, prosperity, well-being, and freedom of choice and expression very high.
Islamic culture values devotion to Islam, Prophet, and Sharia laws much higher that life and well-being of specific individual.
I am not saying they are evil. They just different.
The borders, armies,and countries exist for a reason.
To separate people with different cultures which are not ready to merge or even peacefully interact.
Some organizations names themselves "Nation Of Islam" for a reason.
Every nation should have opportunity to try independently figure out what is right and what is wrong, what is working and what is not.
Unfortunately not every nation get this opportunity. Planet Earth is getting to small for this.

All I hear is BULLSHIT! Palestinians are just Jews that never left and had to convert to Islam. The way you talk is as if they are totally different when in fact they're the CLOSEST TO THE JEWS OF ANY PEOPLE ON EARTH! Yes the culture is different but damn! You all come from the same forefathers. Perhaps if more of you all considered that shared blood it might make a difference. It's a lesson for all people including these idiots that shoot each other in the Black community over fabricated differences.

All of us are descendants of apes and in some way first mammals.
It does not make us the same.
AA people are very close to Kenyans or Nigerians but the cultures are completely different.
Only racist use blood and gens to categorize people.
Even two identical twins razed in Jews family and in Palestinian family in Gaza will have nothing in common culturally as human beings.

To be accurate AA's do not share much DNA with Kenyans! Different areas of the West Coast of Africa Sene-Gambia, Mali, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Sierra Leone, and what is Nigeria and Angola. In fact AA's are highly mixed with various African groups but also including Europeans due to a large degree of rape during Slavery. YES now we have our own cultures here depending on the region of the country but we do come from many different groups genetically.

The Jews and Palestinians are so close genetically that it's useless to try and talk like they are different people!!! You're F'n related and only separated by force many years ago but still you can't hide the truth which is that no one on Earth is as closely related!!! That's what makes the fighting between Jews and Palestinians so damned wrong.

holfresh wrote:RNC's 'new king' Christmas message ignites furor over whether it compared Trump to Jesus..
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/25/rncs-new-king-christmas-message-ignites-social-media-furor.html

"Merry Christmas to all! Over two millennia ago, a new hope was born into the world, a Savior who would offer the promise of salvation to all mankind. Just as the three wise men did on that night, this Christmas heralds a time to celebrate the good news of a new King. We hope Americans celebrating Christmas today will enjoy a day of festivities and a renewed closeness with family and friends.

no confusion or ambiguity - they are equating trump to the new king lol.

all i know is that the only way this idiot gets voted out in 4 years is if non-whites come out to vote. if not, he will get elected again. there's a bit of a cult thing going with alot of his supporters and have dug their heels in the dirt. it would take alot to change their mind - and i don't think that can happen within 4 years.

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nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Israel reaches out to Trump to undercut a UN vote against Israel regarding settlements in Palestinian territory that Obama was going to allow...Trump tweets, Egypt drops vote at the UN...Trump undercuts Obama's authority before taking office...Unprecedented...

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/811928543366148096

This is just underscoring that the fears of this man's unsuitability for office are well founded. We are seeing warning signs all over the place and he's not even sworn in yet!!! This guy is DANGEROUS!!! He's swinging a flare in a room full of TNT and Nitro.

Not a big deal.
Israel gives no rat as..ss about this resolutions.
One more one less.
Sisi junta need US support moving forward so they do not want to anger future POTUS and his pro-Jew team.
The resolution will still be put forward by other non-permanent members and Obama can still abstain as he planned.
So it is pure political show between Egypt and future US government.

Sisi wants his annual funding increased just like Israel just got their increase from 3 billion to 3.8 billion per year for the next decade...Sisi is looking for the same..So in proxy, the US tax payers are paying for Israel's land grab against the Palestinians..

PLUS the real issue here is that the things Trump and Netanyahu are likely to do will inflame things in the Muslim world. DO we really need to be stirring up that wasps nest??? I'm telling you Trump is dangerous and he's gonna F things up with his shoot from the hip style. He doesn't think things thru to any logical conclusion. He doesn't weigh the possible pitfalls of his actions. He just wants to Cowboy his way thru everything like it's the 80's.

Its not land grab but getting back what is theirs.
Palestinians are artificially created nation with the only purpose to fight Israel.
They are not capable of governing anything which is widely documented fact.
Jews finance Israel and Arab powers and anti-Semitic Europeans finance Palestinians.
Regular struggle which is going on for hundreds year already and will go on.

This is great. What is your solution for peace, just say F'em and act like the Palestinians aren't there? That's basically what Trump and Netanyahu are probably going to do. That is NOT going to calm things down.

So far Palestinians trying to maintain current status quo indefinitely by putting force the Jerusalem issue as the main requirement for piece.
They know that Israel will never withdraw from its historic Capital and 500 thousands settlers are not going to leave.
This city is as sacred for Jews as Mecca and Medina for Muslims. Its the same as US will be asked to withdrew from Washington.
If Palestinian want to have independent country they should give up on this condition.
But then they will lose all financial, political, and any other help from Arab world.
They know that they are shielded from overall calamity only until the moment they needed to fight Israel.
In fact Israel is the only one who can guaranty that Palestinian state will survive in all-out Muslim world religious Civil War.
Jordanians get it, Kurds get it, even SiSi get it. Time for Palestinians to get it.
Palestinians rebels future is looking bad. ISIS considered them enemies and traitors as they fighting together with Hezbollah under Iranian Shia command.
They are between the hammer and hard place. Time for them to think about the situation before other massacre alike one they endure in Jordan will transpire gain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

Palestinian future looks bad??..What happens then when there is a majority of Arabs in Israel in 2030/35, Apartheid??

This is not an issue at all:

Generally, population trends in Israel reflect distinct patterns of three sub-groups: Non-Haredi Jews (around 63.3% of the population), Haredi Jews (11.7%), and Arabs (20.7%).[5] Over the past decade, the Muslim annual population growth has fallen significantly from around 3% to less than 2.2% by 2013,[6] while the overall Jewish growth rate rose from around 1.4% to 1.7%, primarily due to the expanding Haredi sector

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
As Palestinian Arabs in Israel are leaving in advanced modern society the birth rate is going down same as everywhere.
There is nothing wrong with Palestinian Arabs. They are same people as you and me.
The problem is the culture of hate and religious vandalism of Islamism they are exposed to in Arab world.

The expansion of the settlements directly affects the future of the two state solution..Netanyahu definitely doesn't want a two state solution so by expanding the settlements he blunts other nations negotiation points like the United States...So the settlement doesn't only effect the Palestinians but the United States as an intermediary...That's why he is pushing this so hard as Obama is leaving...Trump is clueless and they all know it..He doesn't understand or care to be honest..

If Palestinians will stop demanding Jerusalem Israel will have no choice but recognize Palestinian State.
This is the obstacle which one of the sites will need to let go.
And this is the only chance for Palestinians to get their own state as Israel will not go for it any other way.
And no one, including US can force Israel to do it. They have too much economical, political, and military power including Nuks.
In general this is highly unlikely for Palestinian state to be created when all political map of Muslim World is up to complete redefine.

That's not going to happen..Jerusalem means the same thing for the Palestinians as it does the Israelis...You are asking them to give up their beliefs...They will die first...Israel has so much power yet it needs the US to have it's back in the Middle East..And needs 3.8 billion dollars annually of US tax payer money and other concessions..Right..The last time there was a negotiation when Bush was in office..The built settlements where they weren't suppose to built it..So they sent a delegation to the US to meet the Bush administration to ask for the money to pay back all the home owners who had to give up land and houses they encroached upon...The only reason Bush didn't go along was because he had to pay for Katrina hurricane damage..Either way the US pays for it, right..They can't lose...Just sickening...

Israel already have GDP bigger than Russia.
Their yearly budget approaching 100 billions dollars.
US help is appreciated but Jews of the world can provide more.
The time of need in financial subsidies is over.
They do no need "things" from US anymore.
Israel need moral, political, and military support from US.
This saves lives of Israel citizens.
There are other regional and global option for strategic partnership but US still is number 1.
Israel is the only country which shares the values of US democracy in the region.
It s strategic base for US military and shares invaluable intelligence info with US.
What US can get from Palestinians? A couple more suicide bombers?

Russia's GDP was 2 trillion USD in 2013 and only 1.3 trillion after Obama's sanctions...Israel is ~300 billion...That's why you prop Trump up as your front man to get some sort of relief on the sanctions..Trump and his Texas oil man will help you with the sanctions..In regards to the Palestinians, its just doing the right thing...I believe in helping the least of us...And I haven't heard of any Palestinians suicide bombers..The two state solution has always been the best option..But the right in Israel, Natanyahu, will never allow it..

The US should always try to keep it's high moral ground...Israel wants the US to compromise it's standards...Trump will acquiesce...He has no morals..

I obviously was talking about per capita GDP:
US - 15th
Israel - 38th
Russia - 77th

There is no moral in politic. Every country act in best interest of its citizens.
And this interest will be opposite in many cases.
That's why countries exist.
Utopian politics destroy the balance of interests and then whole countries are suffering Civil War, genocide, displacement of people, etc.
Look what we done with trying to "to do the best thing" in Arab world. Just death and destruction.
If people are not ready for democracy and open society why force it? They need to evolve by their own.

Per capita doesn't tell you how big an army can be...Qatar and Luxembourg are up there in terms of per capita and it really doesn't tell you about it's economic influence on the region or the world ..Russia's oil and gas has Europe by the short hairs...

All leaderships around the world doesn't have it's citizens best interest in mind..They would be democracies..Russia's per capita GDP would be higher if Putin wasn't using the oil revenues as his personal piggy bank...And no one is talking about or asking for Utopia..The US isn't Utopia and it works a hell of a lot better for it's citizens than most..It can do much better..People like Trump are just too greedy as he readies his buddies to go on a raiding party.....When the middle class prospers so does the entire country..I guess they will learn the hard way, but I don't think they even care...

So the Arab world is better with dictators huh..They are doing so well with dictators...I wonder why the citizens Arab States want to strap bombs to themselves then??..And I'm pretty sure the Palestinians want to govern themselves..But I guess they aren't ready for it...

Absolutely, but it tells volume about the level of prosperity of regular citizens.
Israel made a giant step forward to transform desert land into garden which can feed its population 5 times over and bunch of dusty provincial towns in industrial urban society.
They have one of the most advanced tech industry in the world.
People who visited country 20 years back cannot even recognize it.

Arab world will be better when they will be left alone to take responsibility about their future.
If they want Dictators, democracy, or Caliphate it is their choice to make not ours.
After Osman Empire fail European nations colonize the place and when were unable to control it left it divided in the way they still can control it from outside.
"Divide and Rule" in full force.
Then the era of oil addiction came and became the biggest curse for the region.
Now we see people who cannot leave together in the same countries.
We see underdeveloped infrastructure, ancient social settings of tribal or feudal nature, remainders of slavery and kleptocracy states ganging on its own citizens.
Now as oil is not of much interest the outside powers are looking out and the all-out war to redefine the region begins.

Specifically if Palestinians will be ready to govern themselves they would not make a mess of Gaza by destroying and looting everything that left behind when they took over. They would not fight with each other for the power they do not yet have and would not make terror their main tool and moneymaker.