BRIGGS wrote:Most dominating 1/2 of basketball a Knicks team has played in over 20 years

Maybe least dominating 1/2 in last 20 years last night

wargames wrote:The summer league offense is worrisome because just like the regular season some zone and ball pressure is all it takes to **** the Knicks offense down.

Just unbelievable that NBA players and teams don’t understand basics of attacking a zone D.

It’s almost as if they are immediately paralyzed.

#1 thing for attacking most zones is getting the ball to the foul line area - preferably to a player with some skill. #2 is attack the seams of the zone - draw 2 defenders and pass to open man.

Knicks on the other hand stand around and pass the ball around the court 25 feet out.

Clean wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

wargames wrote:The summer league offense is worrisome because just like the regular season some zone and ball pressure is all it takes to **** the Knicks offense down.

Just unbelievable that NBA players and teams don’t understand basics of attacking a zone D.

It’s almost as if they are immediately paralyzed.

#1 thing for attacking most zones is getting the ball to the foul line area - preferably to a player with some skill. #2 is attack the seams of the zone - draw 2 defenders and pass to open man.

Knicks on the other hand stand around and pass the ball around the court 25 feet out.

So true! High School teams learn how to beat zones. Why can't the Knicks ever figure it out.

Similarly, why do you think Thibs brought guys like McBride and Grimes along slowly in spite of the calls for them to either get lots more playing time or to actually start?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

wargames wrote:The summer league offense is worrisome because just like the regular season some zone and ball pressure is all it takes to **** the Knicks offense down.

Just unbelievable that NBA players and teams don’t understand basics of attacking a zone D.

It’s almost as if they are immediately paralyzed.

#1 thing for attacking most zones is getting the ball to the foul line area - preferably to a player with some skill. #2 is attack the seams of the zone - draw 2 defenders and pass to open man.

Knicks on the other hand stand around and pass the ball around the court 25 feet out.

So true! High School teams learn how to beat zones. Why can't the Knicks ever figure it out.

Similarly, why do you think Thibs brought guys like McBride and Grimes along slowly in spite of the calls for them to either get lots more playing time or to actually start?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

No one on the Knicks can beat zones so they are all in the same boat. Zones have been a problem for 2 full years now. I still remember that Magic game where we destroyed them in the 1st half and played them even after they zoned us in the 2nd half. We played them again shortly after where they zoned us the whole game and they easily beat us. Show me someone on this team who can reliably zone bust and I will want them to play no matter if they are young or old.

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

wargames wrote:The summer league offense is worrisome because just like the regular season some zone and ball pressure is all it takes to **** the Knicks offense down.

Just unbelievable that NBA players and teams don’t understand basics of attacking a zone D.

It’s almost as if they are immediately paralyzed.

#1 thing for attacking most zones is getting the ball to the foul line area - preferably to a player with some skill. #2 is attack the seams of the zone - draw 2 defenders and pass to open man.

Knicks on the other hand stand around and pass the ball around the court 25 feet out.

So true! High School teams learn how to beat zones. Why can't the Knicks ever figure it out.

Similarly, why do you think Thibs brought guys like McBride and Grimes along slowly in spite of the calls for them to either get lots more playing time or to actually start?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Being a starter doesn't necessarily require the player to be the lead in the offense. My calls for McBride to get more playing time is based on his defense. He isn't a perfect player and his unwillingness to get to the hoop, settling for mid range jumpers is a knock on his offense, but his defense makes up for that. On a team with more efficient shooters (which we do not currently have), he fits the archtype of a 3&D PG that I am looking for.

Grimes is interesting but I find him undersized for his position. Its why I like RJ at SG. In a second unit, I am ok with Grimes, but IQ has better positional length than Grimes despite being an inch shorter. I didn't realize Grimes could drive the ball as well as he is showing. Might just be showing out in vegas and may not be able to convert as well against more athletic players.

Toppin is the other guy I was pushing to get time. I think he deserves it. Slow hips and all.

Unwillingness to get to the rim? Or inability?
Frank had similar traits? But he was french and did not have the cool nickname?
Miles got good run last year. More than I expected. He was good given his experience and expectation. To me at least.
Im not watching summer league so I can't break down his tape and what he is doing wrong. At the same time I don't know what is being asked of him either.
Last summer IQ looked not so great and thru the first half of season. They it clicked.
Not saying he should be on the same timeline. In fact, odds are he don't make it long term. Them is the odds. Not what I want.
Brunson and EF have range. EF pulls out the zone. It matters. Grimes also. Who starts? Hey, lets see what the roster looks like then.

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

wargames wrote:The summer league offense is worrisome because just like the regular season some zone and ball pressure is all it takes to **** the Knicks offense down.

Just unbelievable that NBA players and teams don’t understand basics of attacking a zone D.

It’s almost as if they are immediately paralyzed.

#1 thing for attacking most zones is getting the ball to the foul line area - preferably to a player with some skill. #2 is attack the seams of the zone - draw 2 defenders and pass to open man.

Knicks on the other hand stand around and pass the ball around the court 25 feet out.

So true! High School teams learn how to beat zones. Why can't the Knicks ever figure it out.

Because nba players might be bigger faster with more wingspan than the average high school kids team with a 6’2 Center

I am not understanding your point. The players on all these different basketball levels sizes are in similar size ranges as their contemporaries. That is the whole reason why basketball levels are separated into age groups. In the NBA those super athletic and bigger defenders you speak of are playing against super athletic and bigger offensive players. Also in Basketball players play both sides. So if they are big on defense they will be big on offense. If we are going to be honest in the NBA offenses have the advantage due to the ruleset that favors offenses now. Another point is that high school players normally play on smaller courts than NBA courts.

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

wargames wrote:The summer league offense is worrisome because just like the regular season some zone and ball pressure is all it takes to **** the Knicks offense down.

Just unbelievable that NBA players and teams don’t understand basics of attacking a zone D.

It’s almost as if they are immediately paralyzed.

#1 thing for attacking most zones is getting the ball to the foul line area - preferably to a player with some skill. #2 is attack the seams of the zone - draw 2 defenders and pass to open man.

Knicks on the other hand stand around and pass the ball around the court 25 feet out.

So true! High School teams learn how to beat zones. Why can't the Knicks ever figure it out.

Similarly, why do you think Thibs brought guys like McBride and Grimes along slowly in spite of the calls for them to either get lots more playing time or to actually start?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Being a starter doesn't necessarily require the player to be the lead in the offense. My calls for McBride to get more playing time is based on his defense. He isn't a perfect player and his unwillingness to get to the hoop, settling for mid range jumpers is a knock on his offense, but his defense makes up for that. On a team with more efficient shooters (which we do not currently have), he fits the archtype of a 3&D PG that I am looking for.

Grimes is interesting but I find him undersized for his position. Its why I like RJ at SG. In a second unit, I am ok with Grimes, but IQ has better positional length than Grimes despite being an inch shorter. I didn't realize Grimes could drive the ball as well as he is showing. Might just be showing out in vegas and may not be able to convert as well against more athletic players.

Toppin is the other guy I was pushing to get time. I think he deserves it. Slow hips and all.

While I agree on Duece D being his primary positive force I also thought he was exposed some on that end last year. Was really counting on him to make a big jump in strength.quickness but haven’t seen that yet. He is a great kid but a bit like Frank in that he really doesn’t seem to have twitch/desire to get to the rack.

smackeddog wrote:Suspicious Woj tweets about D-Mitch, followed by the jazz reporter saying the knicks are expected to put together an offer quickly. Reading between the lines, seems likely some sort of possible deal is on the table from talks in Vegas (not with us) and the jazz are putting this out there to see if anyone else will top it (I.e. "knicks, this is your last chance"). I'd don't think we should go all out for him, I think he'll end up in miami or brooklyn as part of a complex KD trade personally, because of the heat connections in the jazz front office (wade and fiz). Maybe Simmons and picks and or Herro end up in utah

They can have Keel, Quickley, Fournier, 3 first rounders

BigDaddyG wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Suspicious Woj tweets about D-Mitch, followed by the jazz reporter saying the knicks are expected to put together an offer quickly. Reading between the lines, seems likely some sort of possible deal is on the table from talks in Vegas (not with us) and the jazz are putting this out there to see if anyone else will top it (I.e. "knicks, this is your last chance"). I'd don't think we should go all out for him, I think he'll end up in miami or brooklyn as part of a complex KD trade personally, because of the heat connections in the jazz front office (wade and fiz). Maybe Simmons and picks and or Herro end up in utah

They can have Keel, Quickley, Fournier, 3 first rounders

Maybe Danny hasn't seen Keel play "He's like a young Spida with braids!"

A handful of teams are looking at Keels.

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