martin wrote:Didn't get to see the WAS v IND game.... Thoughts on Wall?

Wall was great ...He found his teammates..He mixes it up, shooting and passing..He isn't selfish..I still think he plays too fast at times but it growth..Beal and Wall will be very good for a long time to come...Indy is in trouble ..

martin wrote:Didn't get to see the WAS v IND game.... Thoughts on Wall?

Bad shooting but made everyone better. He was setting everyone up and protecting the ball very well. I was actually really impressed with his defense. I think that he was a +24 with a few minutes to go (before Indiana went on a bit of a meaningless run).

Beal and Ariza were excellent.

holfresh wrote:Noah better than Melo..ok

You complain that Melo had nobody. Who did Noah have this year?

He is a great leader, DPOY (deserved (not like Tyson)), great passer ...

To truly appreciate what he brings you need to not just look at PPG.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Noah better than Melo..ok

You complain that Melo had nobody. Who did Noah have this year?

He is a great leader, DPOY (deserved (not like Tyson)), great passer ...

To truly appreciate what he brings you need to not just look at PPG.

Well Augustine was better than Felton and Gibson was better than any other Knick..But Thibs just goes hard in the regular season..He runs his players into the ground..Deng now looks like an old man..Noah will be there in two/three years..

But since everyone plays hard in the playoffs, what will he do different in the playoffs ?

Did you mean that he will be gone? I think that Thibs is gone before him. Noah is a cult hero in chicago.

Here is a great article that I really liked about Noah:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1967883-joakim-noahs-value-to-chicago-bulls-present-and-future-cant-be-understated

If D Rose comes back decent, they are in pretty good shape.

If they add Melo, they are in really good shape.

If they Amnesty Boozer, they have 19 million to spend.

They will be fine.

Chicago ran into a very underrated team in washington. Chicago has a horrible team outside of Noah. Boozer is a disaster, Gibson was pretty good but lets not go crazy, Hinrich is almost as bad as Felton, Butler regressed, DJ was a surprise ..., it was all Noah.

The dude had 13 assists in one game and triple doubles! He does whatever it takes.

I don't know, maybe I am biased. Noah has always been my favorite player in the league. I love what he brings to every game, he leaves it all out there every night.

He is a top 3-5 mvp candidate this year on top of his DPOY.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Noah better than Melo..ok

You complain that Melo had nobody. Who did Noah have this year?

He is a great leader, DPOY (deserved (not like Tyson)), great passer ...

To truly appreciate what he brings you need to not just look at PPG.

Well Augustine was better than Felton and Gibson was better than any other Knick..But Thibs just goes hard in the regular season..He runs his players into the ground..Deng now looks like an old man..Noah will be there in two/three years..

But since everyone plays hard in the playoffs, what will he do different in the playoffs ?

Did you mean that he will be gone? I think that Thibs is gone before him. Noah is a cult hero in chicago.

Here is a great article that I really liked about Noah:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1967883-joakim-noahs-value-to-chicago-bulls-present-and-future-cant-be-understated

If D Rose comes back decent, they are in pretty good shape.

If they add Melo, they are in really good shape.

If they Amnesty Boozer, they have 19 million to spend.

They will be fine.

Chicago ran into a very underrated team in washington. Chicago has a horrible team outside of Noah. Boozer is a disaster, Gibson was pretty good but lets not go crazy, Hinrich is almost as bad as Felton, Butler regressed, DJ was a surprise ..., it was all Noah.

The dude had 13 assists in one game and triple doubles! He does whatever it takes.

I don't know, maybe I am biased. Noah has always been my favorite player in the league. I love what he brings to every game, he leaves it all out there every night.

He is a top 3-5 mvp candidate this year on top of his DPOY.

I didn't have Chicago winning this series..U need talent and stars in the playoffs..
So No, Thibs will run Noah into the ground in two/three years..MDA ran Amare into the ground..Rose has two injured knees..Deng has slowed..Coaches who run their teams hard in the regular season has to come up with something other than hard play in the playoffs..Everyone wants it in the playoffs..

I picked Washington because they are the better team. They actually have a team.

Maybe you are right about Thibs, many people have this opinion. Doesn't that make you even more impressed with Noah? You have me sold.

fishmike wrote:Wash is really interesting to watch. They have the young explosive backcourt with essentially a bunch of old guys or retreads... Ariza, Gortat, Nene, Gooden, Dre Miller. I cant see the Pacers winning this series. Wash is too big to grind out wins against.

Yup, but those retreads are stepping up. Ours disintigrate before the playoffs. The Wall Beal backcourt is fun to watch.

martin wrote:Didn't get to see the WAS v IND game.... Thoughts on Wall?

he has worked on his game so big props to him. he has a midrange shot now and is an eager and tenacious defender. his growth has been tremendous and it shows. he is a legit two-way playe and his physical conditioning is superior.

last night his usage to assist ratio was 0.5 to 1.0 which is legitimate pass-first point guard territory. it's great to see a young player evolve like this.

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:Noah better than Melo..ok

You complain that Melo had nobody. Who did Noah have this year?

He is a great leader, DPOY (deserved (not like Tyson)), great passer ...

To truly appreciate what he brings you need to not just look at PPG.

Noah has a coach who knows what he's doing. You cannot even begin to compare the Knicks coaching to the Bulls coaching this season.

tkf wrote:BTW: someone said Bradley Beal is overrated? tell me where is he rated? so far he looks very good... and he is still just a baby, at 21 years of age? his best years are far ahead of him and he is getting it done now....

Yea someone also said john wall was overrated. He's really progressing nicely as a p and his shot is much better

dk7th wrote:

martin wrote:Didn't get to see the WAS v IND game.... Thoughts on Wall?

he has worked on his game so big props to him. he has a midrange shot now and is an eager and tenacious defender. his growth has been tremendous and it shows. he is a legit two-way playe and his physical conditioning is superior.

last night his usage to assist ratio was 0.5 to 1.0 which is legitimate pass-first point guard territory. it's great to see a young player evolve like this.

He cheats on defense and so does Westbrook..These two guys should and could be so much better..They need better coaches to grow them...Larry Brown, Doc Rivers, Popovich with Westbrook and Wall could be insane..