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9/19/2016  1:33 PM
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JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

Maybe his point was taxes are transactional and not indicative of overall wealth. You don't get taxed on your wealth just your income for that year. It would be hard to assess someone's overall wealth based solely on their 1040 statements.

But it may well show how he is getting away with paying less taxes than the average middle income wage earner.

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9/19/2016  1:36 PM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  1:40 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

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Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.
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9/19/2016  1:41 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

He does not have to release his tax returns, no. It's simply unprecedented in modern times.

Also, he claimed he wouldn't be putting his company in a blind trust but can just "let his kids run it" (which is pretty much the antithesis of putting something in a blind trust).

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9/19/2016  1:46 PM
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/12/beware-the-man-of-one-study/

Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.

the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not.

Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  1:47 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

if this is your rhetorical question on this subject you are way behind the curve. BRIGGS' statement started with "Who gives a F about his taxes". Who gives a **** that Trump put a large, fat stamp on Birtherism? Who gives a **** that he lies every day? Who gives a **** that he won't release his taxes? Who gives a **** that he is a candidate for the highest office of our country and he has given rise to Bigotry, Racism, Lying, Bullying, deeply empty policy statements, etc. Who gives a **** that he holds infomercials for his Hotels rather than have an announced press conference? Who the **** give a crap that he is emboldening the white supremacy portion of our country?

None of these are required by law. All of them are required if you want to move the country forward and keep it above the fray of a third world country whose underlying fabric is that of a reality TV show.

Is this really your informed question?

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9/19/2016  1:47 PM
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

He does not have to release his tax returns, no. It's simply unprecedented in modern times.

Also, he claimed he wouldn't be putting his company in a blind trust but can just "let his kids run it" (which is pretty much the antithesis of putting something in a blind trust).

its unprecedented for a candidate to not release their returns or to release them?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  1:48 PM
mreinman wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

He does not have to release his tax returns, no. It's simply unprecedented in modern times.

Also, he claimed he wouldn't be putting his company in a blind trust but can just "let his kids run it" (which is pretty much the antithesis of putting something in a blind trust).

its unprecedented for a candidate to not release their returns or to release them?

Wait, you can't answer this question yourself? Are you older than 12?

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9/19/2016  1:54 PM
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/12/beware-the-man-of-one-study/

Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.

the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not.

Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary.

I find this an overly blanket statement

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9/19/2016  1:54 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

if this is your rhetorical question on this subject you are way behind the curve. BRIGGS' statement started with "Who gives a F about his taxes". Who gives a **** that Trump put a large, fat stamp on Birtherism? Who gives a **** that he lies every day? Who gives a **** that he won't release his taxes? Who gives a **** that he is a candidate for the highest office of our country and he has given rise to Bigotry, Racism, Lying, Bullying, deeply empty policy statements, etc. Who gives a **** that he holds infomercials for his Hotels rather than have an announced press conference? Who the **** give a crap that he is emboldening the white supremacy portion of our country?

None of these are required by law. All of them are required if you want to move the country forward and keep it above the fray of a third world country whose underlying fabric is that of a reality TV show.

Is this really your informed question?

that is a lot of anger and frustration.

I get why its important to see his taxes. My point was that this is up to him and he will have to measure if this is politically a good idea or not.

My original question was if he actually is required to do it or not. One poster calmly said "no" but that it would be unprecedented not to (which was the answer that I was looking for and not sure about).

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  1:55 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

if this is your rhetorical question on this subject you are way behind the curve. BRIGGS' statement started with "Who gives a F about his taxes". Who gives a **** that Trump put a large, fat stamp on Birtherism? Who gives a **** that he lies every day? Who gives a **** that he won't release his taxes? Who gives a **** that he is a candidate for the highest office of our country and he has given rise to Bigotry, Racism, Lying, Bullying, deeply empty policy statements, etc. Who gives a **** that he holds infomercials for his Hotels rather than have an announced press conference? Who the **** give a crap that he is emboldening the white supremacy portion of our country?

None of these are required by law. All of them are required if you want to move the country forward and keep it above the fray of a third world country whose underlying fabric is that of a reality TV show.

Is this really your informed question?

that is a lot of anger and frustration.

I get why its important to see his taxes. My point was that this is up to him and he will have to measure if this is politically a good idea or not.

My original question was if he actually is required to do it or not. One poster calmly said "no" but that it would be unprecedented not to (which was the answer that I was looking for and not sure about).

again, you don't even know if it is required or not? You can't answer this yourself?

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9/19/2016  1:55 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/12/beware-the-man-of-one-study/

Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.

the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not.

Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary.

I find this an overly blanket statement

you are free to do that.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  1:58 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/12/beware-the-man-of-one-study/

Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.

the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not.

Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary.

I find this an overly blanket statement

you are free to do that.

hey mreinman, you are very much watering down a thread that could be otherwise informative. If you don't really have anything to add, stick to the Knicks threads. Thanks.

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9/19/2016  2:01 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

if this is your rhetorical question on this subject you are way behind the curve. BRIGGS' statement started with "Who gives a F about his taxes". Who gives a **** that Trump put a large, fat stamp on Birtherism? Who gives a **** that he lies every day? Who gives a **** that he won't release his taxes? Who gives a **** that he is a candidate for the highest office of our country and he has given rise to Bigotry, Racism, Lying, Bullying, deeply empty policy statements, etc. Who gives a **** that he holds infomercials for his Hotels rather than have an announced press conference? Who the **** give a crap that he is emboldening the white supremacy portion of our country?

None of these are required by law. All of them are required if you want to move the country forward and keep it above the fray of a third world country whose underlying fabric is that of a reality TV show.

Is this really your informed question?

that is a lot of anger and frustration.

I get why its important to see his taxes. My point was that this is up to him and he will have to measure if this is politically a good idea or not.

My original question was if he actually is required to do it or not. One poster calmly said "no" but that it would be unprecedented not to (which was the answer that I was looking for and not sure about).

again, you don't even know if it is required or not? You can't answer this yourself?

though simple to you, this is a valid question for dummy's / novices like me who have less interest in this race than you do.

It seems that there was or is legislation put forth that would require this but it was previously not required. I was not sure if this legislation passed or rejected or still in progress.

This hate you have for trump is getting to you lol.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  2:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

if this is your rhetorical question on this subject you are way behind the curve. BRIGGS' statement started with "Who gives a F about his taxes". Who gives a **** that Trump put a large, fat stamp on Birtherism? Who gives a **** that he lies every day? Who gives a **** that he won't release his taxes? Who gives a **** that he is a candidate for the highest office of our country and he has given rise to Bigotry, Racism, Lying, Bullying, deeply empty policy statements, etc. Who gives a **** that he holds infomercials for his Hotels rather than have an announced press conference? Who the **** give a crap that he is emboldening the white supremacy portion of our country?

None of these are required by law. All of them are required if you want to move the country forward and keep it above the fray of a third world country whose underlying fabric is that of a reality TV show.

Is this really your informed question?

that is a lot of anger and frustration.

I get why its important to see his taxes. My point was that this is up to him and he will have to measure if this is politically a good idea or not.

My original question was if he actually is required to do it or not. One poster calmly said "no" but that it would be unprecedented not to (which was the answer that I was looking for and not sure about).

Unprecedented since the 1960s.
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9/19/2016  2:04 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

if this is your rhetorical question on this subject you are way behind the curve. BRIGGS' statement started with "Who gives a F about his taxes". Who gives a **** that Trump put a large, fat stamp on Birtherism? Who gives a **** that he lies every day? Who gives a **** that he won't release his taxes? Who gives a **** that he is a candidate for the highest office of our country and he has given rise to Bigotry, Racism, Lying, Bullying, deeply empty policy statements, etc. Who gives a **** that he holds infomercials for his Hotels rather than have an announced press conference? Who the **** give a crap that he is emboldening the white supremacy portion of our country?

None of these are required by law. All of them are required if you want to move the country forward and keep it above the fray of a third world country whose underlying fabric is that of a reality TV show.

Is this really your informed question?

that is a lot of anger and frustration.

I get why its important to see his taxes. My point was that this is up to him and he will have to measure if this is politically a good idea or not.

My original question was if he actually is required to do it or not. One poster calmly said "no" but that it would be unprecedented not to (which was the answer that I was looking for and not sure about).

again, you don't even know if it is required or not? You can't answer this yourself?

though simple to you, this is a valid question for dummy's / novices like me who have less interest in this race than you do.

It seems that there was or is legislation put forth that would require this but it was previously not required. I was not sure if this legislation passed or rejected or still in progress.

This hate you have for trump is getting to you lol.

Nope, that hate is directly at a very naive and uninformed lot that is supporting Trump. And there is too much room in that deplorable basket

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9/19/2016  2:06 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/12/beware-the-man-of-one-study/

Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.

the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not.

Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary.

I find this an overly blanket statement

you are free to do that.

hey mreinman, you are very much watering down a thread that could be otherwise informative. If you don't really have anything to add, stick to the Knicks threads. Thanks.

I disagree ... you have posters who are stating things such as what politifact says is fact and you are not checking them.

this thread seems very one sided and you are very aggressively going after every dissenting opinion. Is that a fair and balanced approach?

I am not picking sides but if you will allow one side to just steamroll the other then that is unfair and as a mod, you should be enforcing a higher standard.

Respectfully,

This mentality of either you agree or get out seems very undemocratic and not open minded.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  2:07 PM
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

Who give a F about his taxes--have you ever walked into Trump Tower--the bottom line is the guy has more $ than 99.999999999% of people out there. We get around by car he gets around by private plane. Whatever his taxes say or dont say dont really prove relevant to over all wealth anyway.

By the way I think you said something about racism with Trump. What IF one of these days one of these fckers sit next to your son or daughter and lets a bomb go off and lets we'll see just how fast your tune changes. Because it has happened to you doesnt mean it wont. The bottom line right now. If your a police officer in the uS you now have 10X worse of a thought process with Africans Americans and believe me most Americans DO NOT want to sit next to someone from the ME --its sad both ways but true both ways.

WTF does that even mean? Someone's taxes absolutely will shed an incredible amount of light and what's going on the person and we should know how much and to whom Trump is in debt to.

You are in love with a racist, lying, narcissist human being who has zero ability to run a government and who has shown zero toward civil service duty.

is this optional or not? Is a candidate required to make his tax returns public? If not then its his choice and if that hurts or helps him then that is something that his team will have to consider.

if this is your rhetorical question on this subject you are way behind the curve. BRIGGS' statement started with "Who gives a F about his taxes". Who gives a **** that Trump put a large, fat stamp on Birtherism? Who gives a **** that he lies every day? Who gives a **** that he won't release his taxes? Who gives a **** that he is a candidate for the highest office of our country and he has given rise to Bigotry, Racism, Lying, Bullying, deeply empty policy statements, etc. Who gives a **** that he holds infomercials for his Hotels rather than have an announced press conference? Who the **** give a crap that he is emboldening the white supremacy portion of our country?

None of these are required by law. All of them are required if you want to move the country forward and keep it above the fray of a third world country whose underlying fabric is that of a reality TV show.

Is this really your informed question?

that is a lot of anger and frustration.

I get why its important to see his taxes. My point was that this is up to him and he will have to measure if this is politically a good idea or not.

My original question was if he actually is required to do it or not. One poster calmly said "no" but that it would be unprecedented not to (which was the answer that I was looking for and not sure about).

Unprecedented since the 1960s.

Thanks. I did not know that. Dude is in a tough spot because he definitely has sh1t to hide in my opinion. My money is on him not releasing it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/19/2016  2:12 PM
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/12/beware-the-man-of-one-study/

Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.

the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not.

Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary.

I find this an overly blanket statement

you are free to do that.

hey mreinman, you are very much watering down a thread that could be otherwise informative. If you don't really have anything to add, stick to the Knicks threads. Thanks.

I disagree ... you have posters who are stating things such as what politifact says is fact and you are not checking them.

this thread seems very one sided and you are very aggressively going after every dissenting opinion. Is that a fair and balanced approach?

I am not picking sides but if you will allow one side to just steamroll the other then that is unfair and as a mod, you should be enforcing a higher standard.

Respectfully,

This mentality of either you agree or get out seems very undemocratic and not open minded.

I am going to go after anything that is substantiated in an uninformed way, no doubt about it.

Regarding the taxes thing, there is a very simple solution for you and anyone else that doesn't know these type of 101 questions: Google. Let it be your friend. It's almost akin to asking if there are real difference between Dems and Reps or if the President has to be born in the United States or if the Birtherism thing was bad for our country.

If you don't know enough about the process or what goes into an election and what our candidates need to be sharing with us and how they should be doing so, be more of a passive reader and poster in this thread.

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9/19/2016  2:29 PM
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
martin wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them..

I have no boys at Fox and I believe that all journalism is subjective not objective. That includes politifact and fox news and everyone else.

The point of showing that there are biased views that believe a subjective organization is biased ... the whole thing is silly. Whoever edits and controls each media has an ideological bias.

I read a "fact" that the Paper that runs politifact has never endorsed a Republican for president or Governor ... hmmmm.

Again, who owns what and what is their agenda / ideology? If you were objective which of course you aren't you would have done this fact checking. Saying that this their work and their reputation depends on it so therefore they must be objective is you just being lazy.

BEWARE THE MAN OF ONE STUDY (and yes, I am sure that it is subjective as well)

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/12/beware-the-man-of-one-study/

Well that seems to be the game isn't it..Try to discredit those who question your facts or lack of it..Much like how you try to equate what Fox News does with CNN and Trump's lies with Hillary's lies..

the game is to get people to believe that what they are selling is fact and if you don't believe it, you are a bad, ignorant person, and of course un american or not a true knick fan.

I don't equate anything since subjectivity is not measurable. People who fall victim to the belief that there is objectivity in reporting maybe a bit more quantifiable.

No idea why you think I have a bias towards Trump, I don't. I am an objective jew who likes israel. Everyone in Israel btw, are objective. They just want do gooding to go on in the world.

Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.

the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not.

Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary.

I find this an overly blanket statement

you are free to do that.

hey mreinman, you are very much watering down a thread that could be otherwise informative. If you don't really have anything to add, stick to the Knicks threads. Thanks.

I disagree ... you have posters who are stating things such as what politifact says is fact and you are not checking them.

this thread seems very one sided and you are very aggressively going after every dissenting opinion. Is that a fair and balanced approach?

I am not picking sides but if you will allow one side to just steamroll the other then that is unfair and as a mod, you should be enforcing a higher standard.

Respectfully,

This mentality of either you agree or get out seems very undemocratic and not open minded.

I am going to go after anything that is substantiated in an uninformed way, no doubt about it.

Regarding the taxes thing, there is a very simple solution for you and anyone else that doesn't know these type of 101 questions: Google. Let it be your friend. It's almost akin to asking if there are real difference between Dems and Reps or if the President has to be born in the United States or if the Birtherism thing was bad for our country.

If you don't know enough about the process or what goes into an election and what our candidates need to be sharing with us and how they should be doing so, be more of a passive reader and poster in this thread.

Ok fair enough. I just went back to google and as usual, things are quite murky in this area especially with the number of years that each candidate has chosen to release:

Mitt Romney has insisted that he will only release two years of his personal income taxes. But while candidates running for president are not legally obligated to release their taxes, there is a long tradition of doing so, in addition to public financial disclosure laws candidates must follow.

As a Democratic presidential candidate Jimmy Carter released just one year of returns for the year 1975, while sitting President Gerald Ford had released summaries of the previous 10 years, according to the Washington Post.

In 1980, former President Ronald Reagan released one year of records.

Former Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry released 20 years of tax returns when he ran against George W. Bush in 2004, however his independently wealthy wife Teresa Heinz Kerry only released a portion of her 2003 returns after mounting pressure.

Presidential candidates began releasing their returns consistently starting in the early 1970's according to Thorndike, and in 1978, all presidential and vice presidential candidates were required to release certain financial documents as a result of the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, which mandates all candidates running for office of President of the United States to file a Public Financial Disclosure Report with the Federal Election Commission.

I also did not know that Trump was under an Audit (which may in itself be new precedent).

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/05/us/elections/presidential-tax-returns.html?_r=0

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/05/25/senate-bill-would-require-presidential-candidates-including-tax-to-release-tax-returns/#5b10693b7b3f

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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