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Welpee
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![]() mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. |
mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
![]() Welpee wrote:mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. the point is that being that the MSM is far from objective, you can't take things that are claimed as fact based on the assumption of honesty and objectivity. Of course, we can use our own judgement to determine what (we believe) is true or not. Do I believe that Trumps lies? I do. Is it because his pants are on fire? Of course not. Same goes for Hillary. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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martin
Posts: 76236 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
![]() mreinman wrote:Welpee wrote:mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. I find this an overly blanket statement Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
![]() martin wrote:mreinman wrote:Welpee wrote:mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. you are free to do that. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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martin
Posts: 76236 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
![]() mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:Welpee wrote:mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. hey mreinman, you are very much watering down a thread that could be otherwise informative. If you don't really have anything to add, stick to the Knicks threads. Thanks. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
![]() martin wrote:mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:Welpee wrote:mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. I disagree ... you have posters who are stating things such as what politifact says is fact and you are not checking them. this thread seems very one sided and you are very aggressively going after every dissenting opinion. Is that a fair and balanced approach? I am not picking sides but if you will allow one side to just steamroll the other then that is unfair and as a mod, you should be enforcing a higher standard. Respectfully, This mentality of either you agree or get out seems very undemocratic and not open minded. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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martin
Posts: 76236 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
![]() mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:Welpee wrote:mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. I am going to go after anything that is substantiated in an uninformed way, no doubt about it. Regarding the taxes thing, there is a very simple solution for you and anyone else that doesn't know these type of 101 questions: Google. Let it be your friend. It's almost akin to asking if there are real difference between Dems and Reps or if the President has to be born in the United States or if the Birtherism thing was bad for our country. If you don't know enough about the process or what goes into an election and what our candidates need to be sharing with us and how they should be doing so, be more of a passive reader and poster in this thread. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
![]() martin wrote:mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:martin wrote:mreinman wrote:Welpee wrote:mreinman wrote:Actually the game is to discredit all media so that nobody has be accountable for presenting facts, which allows people (Trump) to make up their own facts. If Trump tells a lie all he has to do is say the "mainstream media" and its automatically dismissed by his constituents no matter how true it is. There is difference between someone's point of view and facts. Saying Trump is lying about not supported the Iraq war prior to the invasion is a fact. Doesn't matter if CNN, MSNBC or Michael Moore says it, it is a fact. The source of the information doesn't change that it's true.holfresh wrote:mreinman wrote:holfresh wrote:I mean think about it..If you boy from Fox News can prove that a respected organization like politifact is indeed bias and lies as well then it would be a major coop...But I'm sure he has his reason why he doesn't want to expose them.. Ok fair enough. I just went back to google and as usual, things are quite murky in this area especially with the number of years that each candidate has chosen to release: Mitt Romney has insisted that he will only release two years of his personal income taxes. But while candidates running for president are not legally obligated to release their taxes, there is a long tradition of doing so, in addition to public financial disclosure laws candidates must follow. As a Democratic presidential candidate Jimmy Carter released just one year of returns for the year 1975, while sitting President Gerald Ford had released summaries of the previous 10 years, according to the Washington Post. In 1980, former President Ronald Reagan released one year of records. Former Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry released 20 years of tax returns when he ran against George W. Bush in 2004, however his independently wealthy wife Teresa Heinz Kerry only released a portion of her 2003 returns after mounting pressure. Presidential candidates began releasing their returns consistently starting in the early 1970's according to Thorndike, and in 1978, all presidential and vice presidential candidates were required to release certain financial documents as a result of the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, which mandates all candidates running for office of President of the United States to file a Public Financial Disclosure Report with the Federal Election Commission. I also did not know that Trump was under an Audit (which may in itself be new precedent). http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/05/us/elections/presidential-tax-returns.html?_r=0 so here is what phil is thinking ....
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