R.Felton: 4 points off 2/5 shooting, 9 assists, 5 boards. 2 steals, 3 turnovers, +11 along with a win.
Calderon: 15 points off 7/12 shooting, 3 assists, 1 board, 0 steals, 0 turnovers, -9 along with a loss.

NYKMentality wrote:Lets see if you can break down my post as I've done yours. When talking basketball with you? It's very easy to tear apart your agenda.

dk7th wrote: the knicks won in san antonio by 4 points that is true, at the beginning of the season as part of their great 6-0 start.

Exactly. And Felton averaged 15.8 points, 6.5 assists, 3.1 boards, 1.3 steals and only 2.5 turnovers per game during our first 6 games. Don't you dare sit here and talk up our first 6 games without first acknowledging the fact that Raymond Felton himself was one of our most productive Knicks during our 6-0 start.

dk7th wrote: what characterized their wins at that time was terrific defensive intensity which i think really caught san antonio off guard

Wrong. Our defense never caught San Antonio "off guard". Coach Popovich and Tim Duncan wouldn't allow that to happen. San Antonio put up 100 offensive points along with an offensive field goal percentage of 43.7%.

dk7th wrote: felton seemed to hold his own

Wrong once again. Felton "seemed to hold his own". Seemed to hold his own? Wrong as wrong could ever be. Felton did hold his own against Parker and the Spurs. 10/20 from the field along with 25 points, 7 assists, 3 boards and only 2 turnovers doesn't lie.

dk7th wrote: but the statline can be seen being slightly in parker's favor. 12 assists and 0 TO.

What an awful agenda you're currently posting with in regards to Raymond Felton himself.

O.K, so Felton had 7 assists and 2 turnovers. So, you're looking at 12 assists and 0 turnovers for Parker as the stat line now being in favor of Parker? Nice to know. What about Felton shooting 10/20 from the field when compared to Parkers 7/20? Shooting percentage and/or stat line still in favor of Parker? Does 25 points for Felton when compared to Parker's 19 points still favor Parker in regards to stat line? Does Parker's 5 personal fouls when compared to Felton's 2 personal fouls also favor Parker's state line? How many points did N.Y get off Parker's fouls when compared to Felton's fouls? Still in favor or Parker's stat line? Let's just say that we put up 6 points at the free throw line off Parker fouls when compared to San Antonio only putting up 1 point off Felton's fouls. Still in favor of "Parker"? Felton and the Knicks beat Parker and the Spurs, does that stat line still go in favor of Parker?

Nice way of trying to pick and choose what you nit pick with in order to "prove" Parker had a "better" stat line.

dk7th wrote: Are you saying that the knicks won because felton outplayed parker?

Felton was a big reason why our Knicks ended up winning the game, but don't you dare try and put words into my mouth when typing with your keyboard. When did I state that our Knicks won "because" Felton "outplayed" Parker? Never once.

I actually physically stated that 'both PG's had great games but to act as if Felton doesn't compete night in and night out, against strong PG's too is extremely clueless' when in reply to your (agenda) post of "what are his performances like against superior point guards, the sort that we usually see in the playoffs? my hunch is that he doesn't do that well".

Well, he did do well. Your hunch is and/or was wrong in regards to Raymond Felton.

Felton: 10/20, 25 points, 7 assists, 3 boards, 2 turnovers and a win. Felton's two personal fouls resulted in one SA point.
Parker: 7/20, 19 points, 12 assists, 6 boards, 0 turnovers and a loss. Parker's five personal fouls resulted in six NY point(s).

So, are you saying that Felton "didn't" do that well? Are you also stating that Felton didn't compete against one of the greatest PG's in the game today?

dk7th wrote: the second san antonio victory felton didn't even play and the knicks won by 17 points

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O.K, so once again, what's your point other than trying to discredit Felton's strong performance during his first and only game against the San Antonio Spurs here in 2012-2013?

Are you seriously trying to talk with and/or without Felton in regards to our Knicks success? Your agenda posting just set yourself up for a bullet.

You do know that our Knicks are 24-9 with Felton when compared to only 6-6 without Felton. You do know that, right?

So once again... What's your point to the quote above? Agenda, much? Would you still like to talk Knicks basketball in regards to with and/or without Raymond Felton as our starting PG? Didn't think so.

dk7th wrote: i am not a big fan of 7th and 8th seeds as being measures of what makes a good team. talk to me when we make the second round and who the point guards will be then...

Is this where you're waiting on Derrick Rose?

Or, are you talking about Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole? George Hill and D.J. Augustin? Brandon Jennings and Beno Udrih? Avery Bradley and Leandro Barbosa? Jeff Teague and Devin Harris?!?

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!

what i am talking about is that felton is going to have a hard time in the second round and beyond no matter who he faces. teams that make it to the second round are usually ferocious defensively. ironically, derrick rose may be the weakest defender of the point guards that felton may face in the playoffs... but also the toughest cover since they don't call palming on crossovers in the nba. the crossover is rose's bread and butter. felton is more likely to become an inefficient shooter and an under-whelming playmaker. his playoff numbers are very bad so if past is prelude to the present and a pretty good predictor of the future i would say lets hope jason kidd is fresh and healthy.

george hill was coached by popovich. chalmers has shown that he is a good defender. hinrich is a good defender. rose is an okay defender but a very tough cover.

the key to winning in the playoffs is making your cover as inefficient as possible. felton is easily pushed into inefficiency and is not a good enough defender to make his cover less efficient.

regular-season results are nice but not particularly reliable as indicators of playoff performance and as i said earlier felton has not shown he is a good playoff performer.

blkexec wrote:Yes I appreciate how Raymond is playing!

....KNICKS CO-MVP....

Ray must feel like he's in a good place right now. He's surrounded by 3pt shooters, low post scorers, All Star Caliber players. And whenever he play, we've won. When he doesn't play, we lose. It's that simple.

Oh....And when you have NYC die hard Knicks fans backing you up, it's the greatest feeling in the world. Just ask Melo how he feels about those MVP chants!

Linsanity Is Dead. Long Live Linsanity.

“I think the two teams are very hard to compare. I think last year we were really trying to find ourselves and because Jeremy was new to running point guard for us. This year we really don’t have questions about who does what. We know who we are now it’s about us being the best us we can be.”

- Steve Novak

Just ask Raymond how depressed he was the moment it sunk in that he was leaving New York for Denver. You could see it on his face. His depression lasted for two years. What do many depressed people do? They turn to food. No excuses for being out of shape. Jus' sayin'.

Now that he is back in a place that he loves, Raymond would play with injured hands before he would leave the court. What is a pianist without his hands? Nothing. A lead guard without his hands? You do the math.

We missed Felton. It was only a fraction of how much he missed New York.

Stay healthy my friends.

misterearl wrote:

blkexec wrote:Yes I appreciate how Raymond is playing!

....KNICKS CO-MVP....

Ray must feel like he's in a good place right now. He's surrounded by 3pt shooters, low post scorers, All Star Caliber players. And whenever he play, we've won. When he doesn't play, we lose. It's that simple.

Oh....And when you have NYC die hard Knicks fans backing you up, it's the greatest feeling in the world. Just ask Melo how he feels about those MVP chants!

Linsanity Is Dead. Long Live Linsanity.

“I think the two teams are very hard to compare. I think last year we were really trying to find ourselves and because Jeremy was new to running point guard for us. This year we really don’t have questions about who does what. We know who we are now it’s about us being the best us we can be.”

- Steve Novak

Just ask Raymond how depressed he was the moment is sunk in that he was leaving New York for Denver. You could see it on his face. His depression lasted for two years. What do many depressed people do? They turn to food. No excuses for being out of shape. Jus' sayin'.

Now that he is back in a place that he loves, Raymond would play with injured hands before he would leave the court. What is a pianist without his hands? Nothing. A lead guard without his hands? You do the math.

We missed Felton. It was only a fraction of how much he missed New York.

Stay healthy my friends.

ON a cold foggy day the morning mist grew around the farm, there were the daily chores to tend to and a fire needed stoking. Facing another day he could not bare the thought of leaving his warm bed. Not for the paltry wage he was making. He signed with MDA and the knicks and found success again for just 6mm over two years! It was a make good type deal. Paid like a back up he had proven himself worthy. Lebron was heading south and he felt the warm embrace of his high school AAU mentor "Dan" D'antoni and it felt like "home". Home even at 3mm per! Not how he thought his life would be after a big career in chapel hill!

The City he longs for is ont that never sleeps. He is exiled on the other side of the country in portland where the sun does not shine often and the NBA lock out leaves him depressed.

His only comfort he finds is in the cupboard where the previous evening had him entoxicated with his best friend "betty Crocker" and a can of premade chocolate iceing. He hit a new low the nite before because he found multicolored sprinkles, a spoon and a quart of milk to help wash the guilt from his over endulgence. He can still taste the grit from that evenings icing binge on his teeth.

Soon the cupboard will be empty and he will have to face the world again. He could make a quick trip to costco and store up on the tools of his exile or he can go to the gym.

His phone rings with messages from well wishers. Tim Grover has vowed to cover for him and put out a public fable "That Raymond has been coming in every day an is in great shape" but even Ray knows that would not last for long. He regrets not going to china but the lock out might be over and his is undercontract with POrtland. Besides, he has become great friends with "General Tso" and who knows what new friends he might take up with!

If he only knew that soon "the general" would be the least of his problems and that another beast from the far east would consume him! "Linsanity" would make NY forget about Ray!

But the delicous irony of it all was "Linsanity" grew to such levels that his price would exceed what the Knicks could rationally pay and in fact leave the door open for another run.

But that was not on his mind at the time, he was feeling strong about "Betty Crocker" again and her friends: "Mrs Buttersworth", "Jimmy Dean", "Samual Adams", Orville Redibocker", Military greats: "general Tso" and "Colonel Sanders", The funny guys:"Jack N. TheBox" and "Ronald McDoland, and his family: "Aunt Jermima" and "Uncle Ben"! These were the people he cared about the most. He knew he had to stop.

subzero0 wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Rear View

subzero0 wrote:The kid is playing well. But we've seen this from him before. Around the half mark of the year, last time we had him, hampered by injury he started playing horribly. Hopefully history doesnt repeat itself.

subzero - never understand why you insist on sticking to a backwards look. Felton playing horribly?

Really?

Forward.

Uh huh and now that we are in the end of the 2014 season how is Raymond Felton looking now?

Here we go, March = man up time.

gunsnewing wrote:Felton always sucked. Drove Larry brown crazy. His skill sets fit perfectly in mda's system. That is all. It was asinine of the Knicks to expect to get the same player after letting Lin walk

CrushAlot wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Rear View

subzero0 wrote:The kid is playing well. But we've seen this from him before. Around the half mark of the year, last time we had him, hampered by injury he started playing horribly. Hopefully history doesnt repeat itself.

subzero - never understand why you insist on sticking to a backwards look. Felton playing horribly?

Really?

Forward.

Uh huh and now that we are in the end of the 2014 season how is Raymond Felton looking now?

Here we go, March = man up time.

The king of bumping, I told you so threads strikes again. It's been awhile since you bumped something though so the Knicks must have had a good run.

Yea, that must be it.