holfresh wrote:P.S....I wanted Lin to come back but in retrospect Im happy he didn't come back..We don't need the Lin distraction...We can just play basketball...Imagine a Woody press conference if Lin didn't start...People on this board about Lin...The Lin groupies...Doesn't Woody like Lin??..Does Melo like Lin??..Lin versus Felton..Lin should start over Kidd...Does Amare like Lin??...JR doesn't like Lin...Dolan doesn't like Lin...Lin should be the 6th man...Does Sheed like Lin?..Is Lin getting enough shots??..Why doesn't Melo want to share the last shot with Lin??..We were 8-1 with Lin..Lin is a leader..Lin is the reason the Knicks are now valued at 1.1 billion...Dolan needs to pay Lin 20 mil plus plus plus...I can go on...And u know its all true...

Newsday has the nerve to run a story crediting Lin with the Knicks resurgence. Today. A freakin year later.

You gotta be kidding

misterearl wrote:News Groupies

holfresh wrote:P.S....I wanted Lin to come back but in retrospect Im happy he didn't come back..We don't need the Lin distraction...We can just play basketball...Imagine a Woody press conference if Lin didn't start...People on this board about Lin...The Lin groupies...Doesn't Woody like Lin??..Does Melo like Lin??..Lin versus Felton..Lin should start over Kidd...Does Amare like Lin??...JR doesn't like Lin...Dolan doesn't like Lin...Lin should be the 6th man...Does Sheed like Lin?..Is Lin getting enough shots??..Why doesn't Melo want to share the last shot with Lin??..We were 8-1 with Lin..Lin is a leader..Lin is the reason the Knicks are now valued at 1.1 billion...Dolan needs to pay Lin 20 mil plus plus plus...I can go on...And u know its all true...

Newsday has the nerve to run a story crediting Lin with the Knicks resurgence. Today. A freakin year later.

You gotta be kidding

misterearl wrote:News Groupies

holfresh wrote:P.S....I wanted Lin to come back but in retrospect Im happy he didn't come back..We don't need the Lin distraction...We can just play basketball...Imagine a Woody press conference if Lin didn't start...People on this board about Lin...The Lin groupies...Doesn't Woody like Lin??..Does Melo like Lin??..Lin versus Felton..Lin should start over Kidd...Does Amare like Lin??...JR doesn't like Lin...Dolan doesn't like Lin...Lin should be the 6th man...Does Sheed like Lin?..Is Lin getting enough shots??..Why doesn't Melo want to share the last shot with Lin??..We were 8-1 with Lin..Lin is a leader..Lin is the reason the Knicks are now valued at 1.1 billion...Dolan needs to pay Lin 20 mil plus plus plus...I can go on...And u know its all true...

Newsday has the nerve to run a story crediting Lin with the Knicks resurgence. Today. A freakin year later.

You gotta be kidding

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Red On Roundball

Raymond Felton can make himself better by not dropping his focus on the dribble. Waiting for players to get in position for set plays, as he dribbles, his occasional habit of looking down tips off the defender on the timing. With his head down, his teammates also know he cannot see them. The simple fix is for Raymond to be aware of his body language at all times, not get stuck in tunnel vision.

Pablo has his head up at all times.

True.

Hard to teach at this point. He just does not have good court vision. Can he change? Who knows but I have not seen it happen this late in ones career.

i believe you can work on dribbling with your head up as a basketball skill when you are young enough and your brain is still forming. if you rely on athleticism to get over and don't work on developing skills during your teen years it eventually catches up with you.

felton does not have good court vision because court vision is a natural gift and he does not possess that gift. even if he had that gift, what good is it if you dribble with your head down?

it's too late to learn.

felton has two problems, one he does not dribble with his head up and two, he cannot maintain his dribble. hence it makes orchestrating next to impossible.

Excuse me???

he isn't an orchestrator but as long as he doesn't take too many dumb shots he is adequate.

he's basically like a trent dilfer QB-- play within your limitations, don't make mistakes, and be very conservative in your approach.

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:News Groupies

holfresh wrote:P.S....I wanted Lin to come back but in retrospect Im happy he didn't come back..We don't need the Lin distraction...We can just play basketball...Imagine a Woody press conference if Lin didn't start...People on this board about Lin...The Lin groupies...Doesn't Woody like Lin??..Does Melo like Lin??..Lin versus Felton..Lin should start over Kidd...Does Amare like Lin??...JR doesn't like Lin...Dolan doesn't like Lin...Lin should be the 6th man...Does Sheed like Lin?..Is Lin getting enough shots??..Why doesn't Melo want to share the last shot with Lin??..We were 8-1 with Lin..Lin is a leader..Lin is the reason the Knicks are now valued at 1.1 billion...Dolan needs to pay Lin 20 mil plus plus plus...I can go on...And u know its all true...

Newsday has the nerve to run a story crediting Lin with the Knicks resurgence. Today. A freakin year later.

You gotta be kidding

Ya think someone botched a mis-reprint of a story intended for a year ago??..Yeah and we are winning because we a running MDA's offense..

a tweaked MD offense. Woody is running a few things that Mike D would never run. Giving burn to players that would be rotting on the bench (cope) and was smart enough to banish Ronnie back to the bench. MD would likely not have utilized Amare's post game, (he's not a post game fan) and would have tried to force him back onto the elbow where he struggled last season instead of letting him get the ball on the blocks where he's been going to work.

Also, the lack of defensive coach with D'Antoni was obvious. Just watching Woody review tape every weak, identifying defensive lapses and working to improve them. That's why you see the team come out of time-outs playing better. And the halftime speak he gives must really be something because This team usually comes out with an intensity that the opposing team can't handle

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Anji wrote:May bad, I guess the sign and trade counts as three, even though it's more of a free agency loop hole.

not for nothing but he has been listed as a sg his first season. something to think about when assessing his point guard play.

so ar as sign and trade stop playing games. the guy has been "moved" four times and no doubt will be moved from new york in the foreseeable future-- guaranteed.

1) charlotte to new york
2) new york to denver
3) denver to portland
4) portland to new york

i will root for the knicks to win and win big time but i don't see felton as instrumental in this. some poster has recently postulated that he "fits in with the team's objectives perfectly." LOL at such nonsense. yes he is a scrapper but his cardinal flaw is that he does not play within his limitations and always tries to outplay superior point guards to validate his worth. i promise you that this will hurt the team once we get past the first round.

24-9 with Felton 6-6 without him. The record with Felton on the court is Probably better if you take away some of the games where he had bone bruises on each hand.

dk7..That was me who said he "fits perfectly with the team's objectives"...U get it yet or is it still foggy??...Are u still LOL-ing???..24-9 with Felton...6-6 without....24-9 with...6-6 without....24-9 with...6-6 without...24-9 with...6-6 without...4-1 since the return...Get it??

regular-season games he does well enough against inferior competition. what are his performances like against superior point guards, the sort that we usually see in the playoffs? my hunch is that he doesn't do that well.

What are you talking about?

Two games ago, against Jennings, Felton went 5/8, 14 points, 8 assists, 2 boards with only 2 turnovers and +15 when compared to Jenning's 5/18, 14 points, 6 assists, 1 board, 2 turnovers and -11. If the playoffs were to start today? Felton and our Knicks would get Jennings and Milwaukee. So, what are you talking about guy?

What about Parker and the Spurs where Felton went 10/20, 25 points, 7 assists, 3 boards and only 2 turnovers when compared to Parker's 7/20, 19 points, 12 assists, 6 boards and 0 turnovers. Both PG's had great games but to act as if Felton doesn't compete night in and night out, against strong PG's too is extremely clueless.

Those are only two examples, but nice way of throwing **** on a wall and hoping that it sticks with an agenda at that.

dk7th wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Anji wrote:May bad, I guess the sign and trade counts as three, even though it's more of a free agency loop hole.

not for nothing but he has been listed as a sg his first season. something to think about when assessing his point guard play.

so ar as sign and trade stop playing games. the guy has been "moved" four times and no doubt will be moved from new york in the foreseeable future-- guaranteed.

1) charlotte to new york
2) new york to denver
3) denver to portland
4) portland to new york

i will root for the knicks to win and win big time but i don't see felton as instrumental in this. some poster has recently postulated that he "fits in with the team's objectives perfectly." LOL at such nonsense. yes he is a scrapper but his cardinal flaw is that he does not play within his limitations and always tries to outplay superior point guards to validate his worth. i promise you that this will hurt the team once we get past the first round.

24-9 with Felton 6-6 without him. The record with Felton on the court is Probably better if you take away some of the games where he had bone bruises on each hand.

dk7..That was me who said he "fits perfectly with the team's objectives"...U get it yet or is it still foggy??...Are u still LOL-ing???..24-9 with Felton...6-6 without....24-9 with...6-6 without....24-9 with...6-6 without...24-9 with...6-6 without...4-1 since the return...Get it??

regular-season games he does well enough against inferior competition. what are his performances like against superior point guards, the sort that we usually see in the playoffs? my hunch is that he doesn't do that well.

What are you talking about?

Two games ago, against Jennings, Felton went 5/8, 14 points, 8 assists, 2 boards with only 2 turnovers and +15 when compared to Jenning's 5/18, 14 points, 6 assists, 1 board, 2 turnovers and -11. If the playoffs were to start today? Felton and our Knicks would get Jennings and Milwaukee. So, what are you talking about guy?

What about Parker and the Spurs where Felton went 10/20, 25 points, 7 assists, 3 boards and only 2 turnovers when compared to Parker's 7/20, 19 points, 12 assists, 6 boards and 0 turnovers. Both PG's had great games but to act as if Felton doesn't compete night in and night out, against strong PG's too is extremely clueless.

Those are only two examples, but nice way of throwing **** on a wall and hoping that it sticks with an agenda at that.

jennings is not a superior point guard

But Tony Parker is. Funny how you completely ignored Felton's performance against one of the greatest PG's around.

And Felton has proven over the years the ability to not only compete but also hold his own against top tier PG's during head to head matchups. Does Felton win these matchups each and every night? No. But then again, neither do the elite one's. And the reason why I used Jennings as an example is because Felton would see Jennings during the first round of the postseason if the season were to end today. You know, after you stated "what are his performances like against superior point guards, the sort that we usually see in the playoffs? my hunch is that he doesn't do that well". But now, Jennings isn't "superior" enough for you.

Oh yea, that's right, you must be speaking about Rose or Rondo. If you're not the greatest of all positions, you suck to Knick fans. #1 or bust. Laughable.

dk7th wrote: the knicks won in san antonio by 4 points that is true, at the beginning of the season as part of their great 6-0 start.

Exactly. And Felton averaged 15.8 points, 6.5 assists, 3.1 boards, 1.3 steals and only 2.5 turnovers per game during our first 6 games. Don't you dare sit here and talk up our first 6 games without first acknowledging the fact that Raymond Felton himself was one of our most productive Knicks during our 6-0 start.

dk7th wrote: what characterized their wins at that time was terrific defensive intensity which i think really caught san antonio off guard

Wrong. Our defense never caught San Antonio "off guard". Coach Popovich and Tim Duncan wouldn't allow that to happen. San Antonio put up 100 offensive points along with an offensive field goal percentage of 43.7%.

dk7th wrote: felton seemed to hold his own

Wrong once again. Felton "seemed to hold his own". Seemed to hold his own? Wrong as wrong could ever be. Felton did hold his own against Parker and the Spurs. 10/20 from the field along with 25 points, 7 assists, 3 boards and only 2 turnovers doesn't lie.

dk7th wrote: but the statline can be seen being slightly in parker's favor. 12 assists and 0 TO.

What an awful agenda you're currently posting with in regards to Raymond Felton himself.

O.K, so Felton had 7 assists and 2 turnovers. So, you're looking at 12 assists and 0 turnovers for Parker as the stat line now being in favor of Parker? Nice to know. What about Felton shooting 10/20 from the field when compared to Parkers 7/20? Shooting percentage and/or stat line still in favor of Parker? Does 25 points for Felton when compared to Parker's 19 points still favor Parker in regards to stat line? Does Parker's 5 personal fouls when compared to Felton's 2 personal fouls also favor Parker's state line? How many points did N.Y get off Parker's fouls when compared to Felton's fouls? Still in favor or Parker's stat line? Let's just say that we put up 6 points at the free throw line off Parker fouls when compared to San Antonio only putting up 1 point off Felton's fouls. Still in favor of "Parker"? Felton and the Knicks beat Parker and the Spurs, does that stat line still go in favor of Parker?

Nice way of trying to pick and choose what you nit pick with in order to "prove" Parker had a "better" stat line.

dk7th wrote: Are you saying that the knicks won because felton outplayed parker?

Felton was a big reason why our Knicks ended up winning the game, but don't you dare try and put words into my mouth when typing with your keyboard. When did I state that our Knicks won "because" Felton "outplayed" Parker? Never once.

I actually physically stated that 'both PG's had great games but to act as if Felton doesn't compete night in and night out, against strong PG's too is extremely clueless' when in reply to your (agenda) post of "what are his performances like against superior point guards, the sort that we usually see in the playoffs? my hunch is that he doesn't do that well".

Well, he did do well. Your hunch is and/or was wrong in regards to Raymond Felton.

Felton: 10/20, 25 points, 7 assists, 3 boards, 2 turnovers and a win. Felton's two personal fouls resulted in one SA point.
Parker: 7/20, 19 points, 12 assists, 6 boards, 0 turnovers and a loss. Parker's five personal fouls resulted in six NY point(s).

So, are you saying that Felton "didn't" do that well? Are you also stating that Felton didn't compete against one of the greatest PG's in the game today?

dk7th wrote: the second san antonio victory felton didn't even play and the knicks won by 17 points

O.K, so once again, what's your point other than trying to discredit Felton's strong performance during his first and only game against the San Antonio Spurs here in 2012-2013?

Are you seriously trying to talk with and/or without Felton in regards to our Knicks success? Your agenda posting just set yourself up for a bullet.

You do know that our Knicks are 24-9 with Felton when compared to only 6-6 without Felton. You do know that, right?

So once again... What's your point to the quote above? Agenda, much? Would you still like to talk Knicks basketball in regards to with and/or without Raymond Felton as our starting PG? Didn't think so.

dk7th wrote: i am not a big fan of 7th and 8th seeds as being measures of what makes a good team. talk to me when we make the second round and who the point guards will be then...

Is this where you're waiting on Derrick Rose?

Or, are you talking about Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole? George Hill and D.J. Augustin? Brandon Jennings and Beno Udrih? Avery Bradley and Leandro Barbosa? Jeff Teague and Devin Harris?!?

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!

Anji wrote:

Is this where you're waiting on Derrick Rose?
Or, are you talking about Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole? George Hill and D.J. Augustin? Brandon Jennings and Beno Udrih? Avery Bradley and Leandro Barbosa? Jeff Teague and Devin Harris?!?
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!?!

LOL

Anji asks an essential question here.

His factorial rebuttal is kinda crispy. And oh so accurate.

Well played Anji.

Especially on this over-recognized (cough) anniversary of Linsanity.