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orangeblobman
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5/10/2009  4:54 PM
i don't know what's up with these rockets, 61-38 against the lakers? without yao, without t-mac?





[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-10-2009 4:57 PM]
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5/10/2009  4:55 PM
rockets bust their *** out there and the lakers are soft. talented but soft.
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5/10/2009  5:00 PM
chuck hayes started at C for the rocketes. he is 6'6".

why is bynum a non-factor? is he still hurt? is he much worse than anyone could have imagined?
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5/10/2009  5:00 PM
Yeah, but the Rockets hold this league. This is the same team that goes up on the Knicks by 20+ points during the season only to watch a team like that come back on them. The Rockets will go on the 4 minute offensive slump it better not be when they need it the least.
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5/10/2009  5:02 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

rockets bust their *** out there and the lakers are soft. talented but soft.

soft as this pillow, i imagine:

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5/10/2009  5:02 PM
Posted by orangeblobman:

chuck hayes started at C for the rocketes. he is 6'6".

why is bynum a non-factor? is he still hurt? is he much worse than anyone could have imagined?

Because Bynum is as soft as Yao Ming. Getting Yao out of that lineup has helped the Rockets. The Rockets are at their best with T-Mac and Yao on the bench.
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5/10/2009  5:06 PM
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Man, the refs blew that. That was just pathetic.

You mean Wright blew it. No ref is going to call that with 6 secs left in the game. If you want a foul call you can't *****foot around. Wrap the guy up. For pete's sake he didn't even bother to put his hands on the guy. They were too scared of the 4 point play and getting caught fouling while shooting and got burned. Now I like to hear how they are going to argue for more fouls to be call on them.



[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-09-2009 8:13 PM]
Man, that was OBVIOUS foul. The rulebook doesn't state anything about fouls needing to be called differently in the closing seconds of a game. If you look at the rule book, there is no way that what happened was anything but a foul.

I seen worse contact with no call. More that came out.
1) No Maverick warned the officials during their timeout that an intentional foul was coming before the shot. What? You mean you intended to commit an intentional foul and didn't warn the very people who will make that call. Hell I learned that much in JV basketball. Where the Mavericks scared of the officials?
2) There wasn't anything obvious about that. He bumped Anthony and just assumed that a call would be made, why come Anthony didn't assume and continue to play while Wright just stopped.
3) Getting the foul was just part of it, his job was to also make sure the player didn't get off a 3 point play which he failed to do.

At the end of the day, the Mavericks were looking to get bailed out of a situation that they put themselves in. And hoping that the officials use their Vulcan like abilities to do some mindreading on a play that they argue all game wasn't fouling. Next time push the guy to the ground or grab his arm at the very least. Next time don't be a ***** and whack the guy. Another playoff year where the Mavericks are looking for excuses instead of looking in the mirror.

Also, I love the fact that it is now just assume even if they called the foul that the Nuggets would concede the game. Where's that in the rule books. Were the Mavericks suppose to foul and then get the ball back. How does that work, again? I intentionally foul you and now the game is over and we win. LOL, the guy still knock down the shot while they were looking at the official.



Where's Wright or any other Maverick player in this shot? Oh wait they are hoping the officials bail them out. When you assume, you make an ass... well you know the rest.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 05-10-2009 3:31 PM]

Slow down. I don't think anyone said that! It doesn't even make sense logically. There was still time left on the clock after the foul.
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5/10/2009  5:16 PM
Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
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5/10/2009  5:20 PM
Trade McGrady and Yao and make Brooks the focal point of the offense. With no Yao to clog the lane Brooks can wheel and deal.
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5/10/2009  5:29 PM
LOL at JVG trying to defend McGrady and essentially himself for not getting out of the first round with the Rockets.
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5/10/2009  5:36 PM
Lightswitch off today.
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5/10/2009  5:38 PM
Posted by K22:

Lightswitch off today.

Yep. Gasol wakes up late. He is an undercover softie that gets exposed at times.
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5/10/2009  5:45 PM
Why is Ron Artest still throwing up 3 pointers?? When they need to control the clock.
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5/10/2009  5:54 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
I don't care about the Mavs. I'm disappointed the refs blew a great NBA game and probably the entire series.
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5/10/2009  6:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
I don't care about the Mavs. I'm disappointed the refs blew a great NBA game and probably the entire series.

Once again how did the refs blow the game? It goes back to the notion that you believe the Mavericks were going to get a stop or the ball back to ensure the victory. You can't have it both ways and say I know it is illogical that the game was over with the no call but then say they blew the game. Melo made the shot? Why did he continue to play and Wright didn't?
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5/10/2009  6:06 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
I don't care about the Mavs. I'm disappointed the refs blew a great NBA game and probably the entire series.

Once again how did the refs blow the game? It goes back to the notion that you believe the Mavericks were going to get a stop or the ball back to ensure the victory. You can't have it both ways and say I know it is illogical that the game was over with the no call but then say they blew the game. Melo made the shot? Why did he continue to play and Wright didn't?

Uhm, didn't the NBA admit that the refs blew the call?
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5/10/2009  6:31 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
I don't care about the Mavs. I'm disappointed the refs blew a great NBA game and probably the entire series.

Once again how did the refs blow the game? It goes back to the notion that you believe the Mavericks were going to get a stop or the ball back to ensure the victory. You can't have it both ways and say I know it is illogical that the game was over with the no call but then say they blew the game. Melo made the shot? Why did he continue to play and Wright didn't?

Uhm, didn't the NBA admit that the refs blew the call?

Martin, so you believe that the call decided the game. I'm sure that the officials miss a lot of calls during games and make calls that aren't fouls. If Melo missed the shot nobody even talks about this. Next time get mad at Melo for trying to win the game and stop him. The NBA only admitted to not making a call, doesn't explain why come Melo was allowed to shoot an uncontested 3 pointer when no whistle was called. So you just playing if you felt you didn't get a call your way. You try to foul then put up your hands like hey I didn't foul him. Help me here Mr. Official.

It's called displaced anger. It causes you to shove the camera guy when you really want to shove your players. "It's everybody's fault but mine"
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5/10/2009  6:43 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
I don't care about the Mavs. I'm disappointed the refs blew a great NBA game and probably the entire series.

Once again how did the refs blow the game? It goes back to the notion that you believe the Mavericks were going to get a stop or the ball back to ensure the victory. You can't have it both ways and say I know it is illogical that the game was over with the no call but then say they blew the game. Melo made the shot? Why did he continue to play and Wright didn't?

Uhm, didn't the NBA admit that the refs blew the call?

Martin, so you believe that the call decided the game. I'm sure that the officials miss a lot of calls during games and make calls that aren't fouls. If Melo missed the shot nobody even talks about this. Next time get mad at Melo for trying to win the game and stop him. The NBA only admitted to not making a call, doesn't explain why come Melo was allowed to shoot an uncontested 3 pointer when no whistle was called. So you just playing if you felt you didn't get a call your way. You try to foul then put up your hands like hey I didn't foul him. Help me here Mr. Official.

It's called displaced anger. It causes you to shove the camera guy when you really want to shove your players. "It's everybody's fault but mine"

Displayed anger? I didn't see the game nor do I even care about the series. I think you got some displaced over-explaining of displaced anger.

As backed by the NBA itself, Melo should never have been allowed to shoot the shot, so everything after that up until he made the shot shouldn't have happened. Wright should have wrapped him up better to make sure the non-shooting foul gets called. After that anything can still happen but it heavily favors Dallas (Dener with 3.4 seconds left down 2 and still having to inbound the ball).
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5/10/2009  6:58 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
I don't care about the Mavs. I'm disappointed the refs blew a great NBA game and probably the entire series.

Once again how did the refs blow the game? It goes back to the notion that you believe the Mavericks were going to get a stop or the ball back to ensure the victory. You can't have it both ways and say I know it is illogical that the game was over with the no call but then say they blew the game. Melo made the shot? Why did he continue to play and Wright didn't?

Uhm, didn't the NBA admit that the refs blew the call?

Martin, so you believe that the call decided the game. I'm sure that the officials miss a lot of calls during games and make calls that aren't fouls. If Melo missed the shot nobody even talks about this. Next time get mad at Melo for trying to win the game and stop him. The NBA only admitted to not making a call, doesn't explain why come Melo was allowed to shoot an uncontested 3 pointer when no whistle was called. So you just playing if you felt you didn't get a call your way. You try to foul then put up your hands like hey I didn't foul him. Help me here Mr. Official.

It's called displaced anger. It causes you to shove the camera guy when you really want to shove your players. "It's everybody's fault but mine"

Displayed anger? I didn't see the game nor do I even care about the series. I think you got some displaced over-explaining of displaced anger.

As backed by the NBA itself, Melo should never have been allowed to shoot the shot, so everything after that up until he made the shot shouldn't have happened. Wright should have wrapped him up better to make sure the non-shooting foul gets called. After that anything can still happen but it heavily favors Dallas (Dener with 3.4 seconds left down 2 and still having to inbound the ball).

But it did happen. Is the league going to make the series 2-1? I tell you something else. It's going happen again. In another series, to another team, another year and another sport. Officials and umpires miss calls or don't make ones that you hope for. It's irrevelant if you watch the games or not. The fact still remains the Mavericks couldn't stop open layups at the end of the game and couldn't score. The fact is that they allow the winning shot to go off because they stopped before the whistle was blown. They put themselves in a position to lose and did so. Shoving camera men and yelling at the officials ain't going help you find proper ways to defend in the 4th quarter. More excuses not enough answers.

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5/10/2009  7:34 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Bonn, it's another year of people making excuses for the Mavericks. It is a team of excuses. If it isn't the officials screwing them over in the 06 finals, then its the league fixing it so that they face the Warriors the next year, then it's the Hornets getting all the calls. It is a team with a loser's mentality led by Captain Softie. As the fired Avery Johnson said "we as an organization make a lot of excuses for losing and not enough plays for winning." The owner rather face officals and camera men than his team fight the opponent.
I don't care about the Mavs. I'm disappointed the refs blew a great NBA game and probably the entire series.

Once again how did the refs blow the game? It goes back to the notion that you believe the Mavericks were going to get a stop or the ball back to ensure the victory. You can't have it both ways and say I know it is illogical that the game was over with the no call but then say they blew the game. Melo made the shot? Why did he continue to play and Wright didn't?

Uhm, didn't the NBA admit that the refs blew the call?

Martin, so you believe that the call decided the game. I'm sure that the officials miss a lot of calls during games and make calls that aren't fouls. If Melo missed the shot nobody even talks about this. Next time get mad at Melo for trying to win the game and stop him. The NBA only admitted to not making a call, doesn't explain why come Melo was allowed to shoot an uncontested 3 pointer when no whistle was called. So you just playing if you felt you didn't get a call your way. You try to foul then put up your hands like hey I didn't foul him. Help me here Mr. Official.

It's called displaced anger. It causes you to shove the camera guy when you really want to shove your players. "It's everybody's fault but mine"

Displayed anger? I didn't see the game nor do I even care about the series. I think you got some displaced over-explaining of displaced anger.

As backed by the NBA itself, Melo should never have been allowed to shoot the shot, so everything after that up until he made the shot shouldn't have happened. Wright should have wrapped him up better to make sure the non-shooting foul gets called. After that anything can still happen but it heavily favors Dallas (Dener with 3.4 seconds left down 2 and still having to inbound the ball).

But it did happen. Is the league going to make the series 2-1? I tell you something else. It's going happen again. In another series, to another team, another year and another sport. Officials and umpires miss calls or don't make ones that you hope for. It's irrevelant if you watch the games or not. The fact still remains the Mavericks couldn't stop open layups at the end of the game and couldn't score. The fact is that they allow the winning shot to go off because they stopped before the whistle was blown. They put themselves in a position to lose and did so. Shoving camera men and yelling at the officials ain't going help you find proper ways to defend in the 4th quarter. More excuses not enough answers.

we are talking about 2 different things. The ref blew a very important, very blatantly easy call to make which effected the outcome of the game. That was my only point.
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