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3/1/2014  1:35 PM
The Atlanta Hawks have released center Dexter Pittman.

Pittman, who was signed to a 10-day contract on Feb. 22, appeared in two games with the Hawks this year.

The Hawks have signed Muke Muscala in a related move. Muscala was the 44th overall pick in the 2013 NBA Draft.


Briggs was really high on Muscula, for those who missed it last summer, he was hoping we would trade acquire 2 2nd round picks for PG, Nate Wolters and PF/C Muscula
Possibly even trading down for them, with Horford out,

Pero Antic
Muscula

should be part of their development plans with veterans Elton Brand and Millsap to help the process

I personally thought he was a skilled stretch 5, Briggs thought he was more of a 4

Briggs was very HIGH on Vuvevic in Orlando that was selected by Philly right before Iman, saying he likely would take 1-2years before he contributes but would become a very solid NBA C
with versatility and a shooting touch

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Sloan: Morey, Karl Discuss Why Teams Must Play Fast
Feb 28, 2014 12:07 PM EST

George Karl and Daryl Morey agreed that you cannot play a slow pace in today's NBA in a panel at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. Defenses are just too good, they said, with Morey citing Tom Thibodeau's ability to smother teams deep in the shot clock. The data show clearly that early scores are vital.

Morey discussed the different use of Dwight Howard by the Houston Rockets. Stan Van Gundy ran set plays for Howard when he was with the Orlando Magic, but he is getting the ball with the Rockets in unpredictable situations and scoring efficiently.

A quick-hitting, fast-thinking attack wins.

Morey recalled reports the Rockets use to run on the effectiveness of different plays called by then-head coach Jeff Van Gundy was with Houston. Above all the set plays was a play categorized as Random, when a play call broke down and a random screen was set to free up a scorer. This was the most effective play.

Karl thought back to the time after the Denver Nuggets acquired Raymond Felton. Karl said he thought Felton was perhaps his best guard at the time but Lawson had the starting job. So to improve Denver's ability to make fast decisions, Karl played them together. Karl believes this may have started a trend in the league of a two-point guard offense.

The panel discussed fouling up three in the closing seconds. Even though the numbers support taking the foul, it's not done widely. Karl cited a lack of devoted practice time to making sure teams can execute a two-shot foul.

Morey said you should win the game almost always either way, but cited coaches wanting to show confidence in their defense to stop the three, or just the embarrassment factor of not wanting to give up the three-point foul. Kobe Bryant was named as one of the best at anticipating the intentional foul and getting off an attempt from behind the arc as the contact is made.

Via RealGM Staff Report


We are one of the TOP team that do NOT TURNOVER the ball

Kidd was one of the players that consistently looked pushed the tempo and that was one of our area's where Lin was missed
This season this is one of our biggest weakness's in addition to our Coach, who clearly has loss the team, but unlike Dantoni, Woodson is a fighter and shall not admit DEFEAT....

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RonRon wrote:Sloan: Morey, Karl Discuss Why Teams Must Play Fast
Feb 28, 2014 12:07 PM EST

George Karl and Daryl Morey agreed that you cannot play a slow pace in today's NBA in a panel at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. Defenses are just too good, they said, with Morey citing Tom Thibodeau's ability to smother teams deep in the shot clock. The data show clearly that early scores are vital.

Morey discussed the different use of Dwight Howard by the Houston Rockets. Stan Van Gundy ran set plays for Howard when he was with the Orlando Magic, but he is getting the ball with the Rockets in unpredictable situations and scoring efficiently.

A quick-hitting, fast-thinking attack wins.

Morey recalled reports the Rockets use to run on the effectiveness of different plays called by then-head coach Jeff Van Gundy was with Houston. Above all the set plays was a play categorized as Random, when a play call broke down and a random screen was set to free up a scorer. This was the most effective play.

Karl thought back to the time after the Denver Nuggets acquired Raymond Felton. Karl said he thought Felton was perhaps his best guard at the time but Lawson had the starting job. So to improve Denver's ability to make fast decisions, Karl played them together. Karl believes this may have started a trend in the league of a two-point guard offense.

The panel discussed fouling up three in the closing seconds. Even though the numbers support taking the foul, it's not done widely. Karl cited a lack of devoted practice time to making sure teams can execute a two-shot foul.

Morey said you should win the game almost always either way, but cited coaches wanting to show confidence in their defense to stop the three, or just the embarrassment factor of not wanting to give up the three-point foul. Kobe Bryant was named as one of the best at anticipating the intentional foul and getting off an attempt from behind the arc as the contact is made.

Via RealGM Staff Report


We are one of the TOP team that do NOT TURNOVER the ball

Kidd was one of the players that consistently looked pushed the tempo and that was one of our area's where Lin was missed
This season this is one of our biggest weakness's in addition to our Coach, who clearly has loss the team, but unlike Dantoni, Woodson is a fighter and shall not admit DEFEAT....

that's why carmelo anthony is a dinosaur. plodding and slow decision-making too much of the time.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:Sloan: Morey, Karl Discuss Why Teams Must Play Fast
Feb 28, 2014 12:07 PM EST

George Karl and Daryl Morey agreed that you cannot play a slow pace in today's NBA in a panel at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. Defenses are just too good, they said, with Morey citing Tom Thibodeau's ability to smother teams deep in the shot clock. The data show clearly that early scores are vital.

Morey discussed the different use of Dwight Howard by the Houston Rockets. Stan Van Gundy ran set plays for Howard when he was with the Orlando Magic, but he is getting the ball with the Rockets in unpredictable situations and scoring efficiently.

A quick-hitting, fast-thinking attack wins.

Morey recalled reports the Rockets use to run on the effectiveness of different plays called by then-head coach Jeff Van Gundy was with Houston. Above all the set plays was a play categorized as Random, when a play call broke down and a random screen was set to free up a scorer. This was the most effective play.

Karl thought back to the time after the Denver Nuggets acquired Raymond Felton. Karl said he thought Felton was perhaps his best guard at the time but Lawson had the starting job. So to improve Denver's ability to make fast decisions, Karl played them together. Karl believes this may have started a trend in the league of a two-point guard offense.

The panel discussed fouling up three in the closing seconds. Even though the numbers support taking the foul, it's not done widely. Karl cited a lack of devoted practice time to making sure teams can execute a two-shot foul.

Morey said you should win the game almost always either way, but cited coaches wanting to show confidence in their defense to stop the three, or just the embarrassment factor of not wanting to give up the three-point foul. Kobe Bryant was named as one of the best at anticipating the intentional foul and getting off an attempt from behind the arc as the contact is made.

Via RealGM Staff Report


We are one of the TOP team that do NOT TURNOVER the ball

Kidd was one of the players that consistently looked pushed the tempo and that was one of our area's where Lin was missed
This season this is one of our biggest weakness's in addition to our Coach, who clearly has loss the team, but unlike Dantoni, Woodson is a fighter and shall not admit DEFEAT....

that's why carmelo anthony is a dinosaur. plodding and slow decision-making too much of the time.


In all fairness, is that held more accountable by Woodson, Melo, the roster/team, and the GM?
I believe Grunweld was also partly let go because he wanted to convince Dolan to keep Lin thus the delay during that summer

However, I think they originally were thinking about matching the offer to trade him for assets in the future, they were skeptical about being able to trade him with the 3year deal vs 4 year deal though

And Woodson likely felt Lin was not needed for that amount of money and felt it would create more animosity with Melo/JR, where Woodson has never been a PG oriented and prefers vets to run his system

I don't think it is a good thing that Melo allows others to rest by bringing up the ball at times, however, not majority of the times, it takes a wear on him as well too
One of Melo's attributes on fast break's is his ability to get a shot off quickly or on TAP OUT's/OFF REBOUND's, you can call it a heave/chuck but I think it is one of his higher % shot selections

Melo shouldn't be initiating the OFFENSE, he lacks IQ, the physical ability without great speed/quickness or athleticism/length
He is only able to beat his man off the dribble when certain PF's defend his shot with the correct spacing of other players as well
Melo doesn't make good decisions, is not a leader, and his style of play does not allow his team mates to play OFF his abilities in an effective/consistent manner

You put Melo in a team full of talent and a leader that Melo actually respects, he would likely do well (at least 10x better than the way Woodson enables him now), though he would have to be willing to take a backseat, like Wade/Bosh have done for Lebron

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3/1/2014  3:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2014  5:35 PM
RonRon wrote:
dk7th wrote:
RonRon wrote:Sloan: Morey, Karl Discuss Why Teams Must Play Fast
Feb 28, 2014 12:07 PM EST

George Karl and Daryl Morey agreed that you cannot play a slow pace in today's NBA in a panel at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference. Defenses are just too good, they said, with Morey citing Tom Thibodeau's ability to smother teams deep in the shot clock. The data show clearly that early scores are vital.

Morey discussed the different use of Dwight Howard by the Houston Rockets. Stan Van Gundy ran set plays for Howard when he was with the Orlando Magic, but he is getting the ball with the Rockets in unpredictable situations and scoring efficiently.

A quick-hitting, fast-thinking attack wins.

Morey recalled reports the Rockets use to run on the effectiveness of different plays called by then-head coach Jeff Van Gundy was with Houston. Above all the set plays was a play categorized as Random, when a play call broke down and a random screen was set to free up a scorer. This was the most effective play.

Karl thought back to the time after the Denver Nuggets acquired Raymond Felton. Karl said he thought Felton was perhaps his best guard at the time but Lawson had the starting job. So to improve Denver's ability to make fast decisions, Karl played them together. Karl believes this may have started a trend in the league of a two-point guard offense.

The panel discussed fouling up three in the closing seconds. Even though the numbers support taking the foul, it's not done widely. Karl cited a lack of devoted practice time to making sure teams can execute a two-shot foul.

Morey said you should win the game almost always either way, but cited coaches wanting to show confidence in their defense to stop the three, or just the embarrassment factor of not wanting to give up the three-point foul. Kobe Bryant was named as one of the best at anticipating the intentional foul and getting off an attempt from behind the arc as the contact is made.

Via RealGM Staff Report


We are one of the TOP team that do NOT TURNOVER the ball

Kidd was one of the players that consistently looked pushed the tempo and that was one of our area's where Lin was missed
This season this is one of our biggest weakness's in addition to our Coach, who clearly has loss the team, but unlike Dantoni, Woodson is a fighter and shall not admit DEFEAT....

that's why carmelo anthony is a dinosaur. plodding and slow decision-making too much of the time.


In all fairness, is that held more accountable by Woodson, Melo, the roster/team, and the GM?
I believe Grunweld was also partly let go because he wanted to convince Dolan to keep Lin thus the delay during that summer

However, I think they originally were thinking about matching the offer to trade him for assets in the future, they were skeptical about being able to trade him with the 3year deal vs 4 year deal though

And Woodson likely felt Lin was not needed for that amount of money and felt it would create more animosity with Melo/JR, where Woodson has never been a PG oriented and prefers vets to run his system

I don't think it is a good thing that Melo allows others to rest by bringing up the ball at times, however, not majority of the times, it takes a wear on him as well too
One of Melo's attributes on fast break's is his ability to get a shot off quickly or on TAP OUT's/OFF REBOUND's, you can call it a heave/chuck but I think it is one of his higher % shot selections

Melo shouldn't be initiating the OFFENSE, he lacks IQ, the physical ability without great speed/quickness or athleticism/length
He is only able to beat his man off the dribble when certain PF's defend his shot with the correct spacing of other players as well
Melo doesn't make good decisions, is not a leader, and his style of play does not allow his team mates to play OFF his abilities in an effective/consistent manner

You put Melo in a team full of talent and a leader that Melo actually respects, he would likely do well (at least 10x better than the way Woodson enables him now), though he would have to be willing to take a backseat, like Wade/Bosh have done for Lebron

it's a confluence of things. i happen to be a proponent of building from the top-down and the knicks have not done that, and have not really done anything approaching that ever since don nelson. if you recall, he wanted to impose a fastbreaking offense but that was not to ewing's liking, who like melo was a plodder.

i liked the walsh hire because there was at least some plan to build the team from the top down for as long as dolan kept out of the way.

since february 2011 there has been no coherent plan and the result is the chaos of the melo era.

you bring in melo and then ask d'antoni to adapt or melo to adapt. it was bound to fail-- bad fit, never mind that dolan allowed himself to get raped in the deal. maybe if dolan hires a coach with a higher salary than melo it will help restore order.

then you have the lin situation, a miracle and closer in style to what d'antoni wanted, but not what melo wanted or fit with, and he is gone. i agree with you about grunwald wanting to intercede but he can't win over dolan and melo any more than walsh could.

walsh "retires" after dolan lowballs him and grunwald is fired. detect a pattern?

anyway who comes in after d'antoni? right-- woodson, who as you rightly note has no real need for a d'antoni-like pg and loves the joe johnson iso ball, slowdown offense. i really didn't like the way woodson spoke about lin-- very subdued, even down on the kid. that told me something.

this aspect of this mess all goes back to dolan of course, with a huge assist from melo. karma's a bitch, and i happen to believe that karma can often affect others around the particular person as part of that person's larger life lesson. melo has a lot to learn, and it looks like he never will learn.

i don't agree with the shooting off breaks, tapouts with melo. the reason is not that he can't make them at a decent clip but that they then lead to heatcheck shots that are as bad as turnovers in the playoffs. it's a profoundly stupid gamble especially for a guy who lacks poise like melo does.

lastly, the melo issue is that he has overrated himself and been pre-occupied with maximum money. those two things together make for a guy who will find himself on a bad team putting up empty numbers.

and that is the knicks: a bad team with one guy putting up empty numbers.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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3/2/2014  1:39 PM
Nicolas Batum grabbed a career-high 16 boards vs. the Nuggets during a 102-96 win to go with nine points, six assists, one steal and one 3-pointer.
He did make just 3-of-10 from the field, but Batum almost always seems to fill the stat sheet in his own unique way. LeBron James and Kevin Durant are the only small forwards with more assists while Batum also ranks in the top eight for total 3-pointers and rebounds for his position. He's a solid fantasy guy despite some quiet scoring this season.


A pairing of Melo with versatile players like Batum, who is skilled in many area's, with his physical abilities in length/size/athleticism, allowing him to rebound, steals, blocks shots, and initiate/finish on the fast break
Most importantly his ability to defend multiple positions and ability to do a bit of everything
Problem is these players generally don't come cheap

For Melo to be on a contender,
While Melo would still need a good/great PG to say NO to him that Melo respects, and another STAR like LA or Kevin Love *that is a high% to initiate our offense and allow Melo to play off the other players abilities*
And on top of all this, you need more than vet min talents

Only way to come close to building such a team with similar skillsets/abilities is if Melo chooses not to OPT out this summer, probably even willing to take less in 2015

But why should he, take another year of losing in NY, while he can join many teams in the league with more assets to improve

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3/2/2014  8:31 PM
Mike Muscala sighting!
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/3/2014  8:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/3/2014  8:42 PM
Jared Cunningham doesn't expect to be out of the NBA long. The former Oregon State star has told The Oregonian that he plans to sign with a team within the week. Though Cunningham declined to specify his possible landing spots, he said he's "looking at a few options right now." The Atlanta Hawks released the 6-foot-4 guard late last month after recalling him from the D-League. He has averaged 16.5 points, five assists and 3.5 rebounds in 22 appearances with the Bakersfield Jam over four stints this season. Oregonian - See more at:

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.quayVZ5D.dpuf


was selected by the Mavericks in the 1st round, he is a combo guard, more than his a PG, of course we all know the pros vs cons and risk vs rewards with a development signing like this based on his potential
Rick Carlisle called him Westbrook like potential when he was selected, obviously both Mavs and Atlanta gave up on his development though

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3/4/2014  3:55 AM
I wonder if Woodson would ever run a play like the one the Lakers ran against Blazers tonight.
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3/4/2014  3:58 AM
RonRon wrote:Nicolas Batum grabbed a career-high 16 boards vs. the Nuggets during a 102-96 win to go with nine points, six assists, one steal and one 3-pointer.
He did make just 3-of-10 from the field, but Batum almost always seems to fill the stat sheet in his own unique way. LeBron James and Kevin Durant are the only small forwards with more assists while Batum also ranks in the top eight for total 3-pointers and rebounds for his position. He's a solid fantasy guy despite some quiet scoring this season.


A pairing of Melo with versatile players like Batum, who is skilled in many area's, with his physical abilities in length/size/athleticism, allowing him to rebound, steals, blocks shots, and initiate/finish on the fast break
Most importantly his ability to defend multiple positions and ability to do a bit of everything
Problem is these players generally don't come cheap

For Melo to be on a contender,
While Melo would still need a good/great PG to say NO to him that Melo respects, and another STAR like LA or Kevin Love *that is a high% to initiate our offense and allow Melo to play off the other players abilities*
And on top of all this, you need more than vet min talents

Only way to come close to building such a team with similar skillsets/abilities is if Melo chooses not to OPT out this summer, probably even willing to take less in 2015

But why should he, take another year of losing in NY, while he can join many teams in the league with more assets to improve

I love Batum. And he's Euro too! Batum's game tonight was stellar too.

17 points, 15 rebs, 5 assists, a couple of steals and a block

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3/5/2014  10:37 AM
Kyle Lowry seems to have cooled down lately (38%FG for Feb)- while Lowry got all the praise, I wonder if its been DeRozans performance that has propelled that team
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3/5/2014  10:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/5/2014  10:44 AM
smackeddog wrote:Kyle Lowry seems to have cooled down lately (38%FG for Feb)- while Lowry got all the praise, I wonder if its been DeRozans performance that has propelled that team

lowry's minutes have caught up to him a bit but he's still the spiritual leader of the team. he is the engine that makes us go. he's still playing great defense and is getting in there for key rebounds/steals/charges. but demar has surpassed all expectations and is a bonafide all star. his work ethic is off the charts and he has slowly improved every single season. if he can improve his 3 point shooting, he can be a perennial all star. we rely on both of them for a bulk of our offense.

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djsunyc wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Kyle Lowry seems to have cooled down lately (38%FG for Feb)- while Lowry got all the praise, I wonder if its been DeRozans performance that has propelled that team

lowry's minutes have caught up to him a bit but he's still the spiritual leader of the team. he is the engine that makes us go. he's still playing great defense and is getting in there for key rebounds/steals/charges. but demar has surpassed all expectations and is a bonafide all star. his work ethic is off the charts and he has slowly improved every single season. if he can improve his 3 point shooting, he can be a perennial all star. we rely on both of them for a bulk of our offense.

Raptors previous GM got blasted when he signed DeRozan to that extension early, but it's looking like a great move- I don't think he's getting anywhere near the attention he deserves- he's been playing great this season.

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smackeddog wrote:Raptors previous GM got blasted when he signed DeRozan to that extension early, but it's looking like a great move- I don't think he's getting anywhere near the attention he deserves- he's been playing great this season.

they banked on his work ethic, age and position and it's paid off. sometimes you have to take a risk and you have to be patient. he's playing really really well and you're right, he's been under the radar.

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3/5/2014  11:32 PM
Nets quietly above .500 now at 30-29 after win over Grizz tonight. Gotta figure they catch Raptors for Division.
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MX25 wrote:Nets quietly above .500 now at 30-29 after win over Grizz tonight. Gotta figure they catch Raptors for Division.

raptors are 27-14 since trading rudy (including 2 wins vs. the nets). monday's game in brooklyn will be big.

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3/6/2014  11:07 AM
djsunyc wrote:
MX25 wrote:Nets quietly above .500 now at 30-29 after win over Grizz tonight. Gotta figure they catch Raptors for Division.

raptors are 27-14 since trading rudy (including 2 wins vs. the nets). monday's game in brooklyn will be big.

I think Brooklyn will win the division, Jason Kidd has willed his team for the 2nd yr in a row to put itself in position to win the Atlantic Division.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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3/6/2014  10:31 PM
These HEAT-SPURS jerseys are terrible, no?
Everything in moderation. Even moderation.
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3/6/2014  10:51 PM
SA crushes the Heat. Boy do I respect / hate Popovich

Imagine if Boston does not get screwed and win the lottery over SA and got duncan. That would have really sucked.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:SA crushes the Heat.

Then the Clips absolutely demolish the Lakers- 142-94

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