TeamBall wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Homerism is a curse

tkf said:Again this is homerism at it's worse

Homerism? Or simply enjoying the sunshine on a cloudy day?

Homerism? Or celebrating the possibility, not the 99 problems, of a new season. Not last year. A new season.

Homerism? Gimme a break with the depressed Debbie Downer vocabulary.

Homerism? Really? If being proud of being a born and bred New Yorker, and supporting m beloved team - win or lose - is being a "homer" then dammit sign me up.

Carmelo Anthony averaged 8 rebounds a game.

what does being proud of being born in NY have to do with supporting a team? I am a proud New yorker, which is why I don't support guys like carmelo.. a Poser a guy who is Hollering he is from NY, yet he sports a west baltimore tat.. well guess what.. I was born and raised in NY until my early 20's, I have been in Atlanta for 20 years, and guess what my TAT says.. it isn't a big "A"... it is a big "NY". don't talk about being proud of being born in NY and associate it with rooting for a bunch of unlikeable guys.. your pride should demand you to expect and want more!

which is why my NY pride doesn't allow me to root for some selfish, wannabe, moronic, idiotic, self aggrandizing, one dimensional, coach killing, out of shape, no passing, inefficient, overpaid, team gutting, playoff losing, chucker!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I MEAN IT!

Serious question - do you not root for the Knicks then? Melo is the one this team is built around and his success is the team's success. If you dont root for him, how do you root for the team as a whole?

I watch the knicks like I do any other team, except that I hope the knicks win the game they play. I don't root for carmelo and a few other players... It honestly makes it hard for me nowadays.. but I have hope.. those clowns can't play forever... then there is dolan, that is a whole different ball of wax to deal with as well..

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:This is what I don't understand about guys that think like you on this forum. Exactly what moves would you expect the team to make this summer that would guarantee a Championship?

Gone: Kidd, Cope, Sheed, KT, Novak, Camby, QRich

Added: Bargnani, Udrih, Hardaway, MWP, Tyler, Leslie

There's no way you can look at that list of players and not say that the team got younger and more talented.

We also have to look at the fact that Shump will come in off a full summer of training rather than just trying to get rehabbed. People are poo pooing MWP but this guy is strong and experienced and has the same mentality as KMart. They won't back down from anyone or any challenge. They'll add a toughness to the roster that this team needs. Bargnani and Udrih bring a high skill level and experience to the roster.

So just what is there to be "Down" about? Why should we Knicks fans not be happy about the moves this team made? Sure none of the moves was sexy, but really could we have expected that given the limited resources? I think this was a GREAT summer given how little we had to offer players. AB didn't really cost us anything of value. MWP, Udrih, KMart and Prigs came cheap given what they can bring to the team. THJ, CJ and Tyler are talented young players who might pan out. What is there to complain about this team?

Here is what you're not understanding....most posters have seen better.

I go as far back to when Bernard King was battling the vaunted Pistons and the HOF stacked Celtics, in matchups that Knicks squad should never have had a chance in, but the won one of those series and gave a massive battle and effort against the Celtics.

This current Knicks team doesnt have that skill, nor heart like those clubs did.

There isnt a single Knicks player currently who even has the heart of John Starks who literally had to guard the players he knew would completely light his ass up nightly.

Those Knicks teams knew they were overmatched but still put up a fight...I personally see no fight in this club...but rather "entitled" players.

I honestly dont have any issue with the "moves" the team made...they did what they could...but this squad is no contender.

They arent built like one, the core does not play like one, and when pushed....they dont act or respond like one.

For me I'm old school, I celebrate all wins....but I care how you lost.

If a better team beat you, i can live with that.....as long as you put in that NY pride.

They didnt do it last year.

You said it all in the first sentence. Having 2nd round teams and players like Bargnani appears orgasmic to Nixluva and JROD. I'm wondering if they have forgotten about the team pre-2000 or if they were too young to appreciate them.

I'm 48 years old and my youngest son is 21. I've seen a lot of BB in my life. It's not that i'm all giddy about 2nd rd teams. I simply try to keep perspective when it comes to the team. We just saw this team win the most games since 1996-97. This team was flawed last year and they couldn't get to the ECF's as hoped. The teams have improved the roster this summer so that they can try to go deeper in the post season. What is sad is that some Knicks fans are actually not able to appreciate that they have a team for the 1st time in a decade that has a chance to fight for a title. This is the deepest and most talented team we've had since the last time we went to the finals. There is no question about that. NONE!

So why should fans not be looking forward to this season? Why should we be bashing the team as if it's full of bums and they have no shot? I was wondering what Grunwald would do this summer and how he would be able to get it done with no resources. I think he did a very good job given his limited resources. He managed to make the team deeper, younger, more athletic, more skilled and more balanced. Why should we not be pleased about that?

Knicks fans like Bonn, knickscity and dktf can tell you why you shouldn't be looking forward to this season or any other in the Melo era. They can spend months and billions of lines explaining to you why.

They can even go back and talk about those magic three seasons with BK longingly, ignoring the fact that the results were pretty much exactly the same. They will wax poetically about the "grit" "fight" of tremendous teams with people like Eric Fernsten and Louis Orr. Or the PG wizardry of Rory Sparrow.
All while staring lovingly at BK's FG %.

You see, I started watching the Knicks when Clyde and Willis were winning chips, thank you. So I've seen massively worse than the "entitled" team we're "suffering" through now. Pre-2000 indeed.

But you see, having cap space and yoots with potenshull is what gets these somber GM wannabes corked off. And all that's been starphucqued away from them, and they will continue to wail away on this now 4 year old boil.

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Homerism is a curse

tkf said:Again this is homerism at it's worse

Homerism? Or simply enjoying the sunshine on a cloudy day?

Homerism? Or celebrating the possibility, not the 99 problems, of a new season. Not last year. A new season.

Homerism? Gimme a break with the depressed Debbie Downer vocabulary.

Homerism? Really? If being proud of being a born and bred New Yorker, and supporting m beloved team - win or lose - is being a "homer" then dammit sign me up.

Carmelo Anthony averaged 8 rebounds a game.

what does being proud of being born in NY have to do with supporting a team? I am a proud New yorker, which is why I don't support guys like carmelo.. a Poser a guy who is Hollering he is from NY, yet he sports a west baltimore tat.. well guess what.. I was born and raised in NY until my early 20's, I have been in Atlanta for 20 years, and guess what my TAT says.. it isn't a big "A"... it is a big "NY". don't talk about being proud of being born in NY and associate it with rooting for a bunch of unlikeable guys.. your pride should demand you to expect and want more!

which is why my NY pride doesn't allow me to root for some selfish, wannabe, moronic, idiotic, self aggrandizing, one dimensional, coach killing, out of shape, no passing, inefficient, overpaid, team gutting, playoff losing, chucker!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I MEAN IT!

Wow. You don't say, really? Hasn't your dog decomposed by now?

Somberism must be like vitamins for some people.

And just to stay on topic:
Bargs --- Camby, Novak, QRich and some draft picks (please, go on and on about the draft picks)
Give us the fabulous breakdown on the value of each of the players we DIDN'T steal Bargs with.

See? You and your likeability index should prove insanely valuable here, once again. Just like it did when you tell us the worth of what Denver "stole" from us for Baltimore's Most Likely Citizen to Pose in a wax Knicks Uniform.

Gee, and I thought you actually liked Shump and Stat...hmmmmm...

dk7th wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:also, its a fallacy to say this team is or has been built around Melo. Wasn't Felton already here? I doubt Shump was drafted with Melo in mind. I doubt Chandler was brought in to improve the team defense, not canoodle with Melo. Melo is just one part of a machine that has many parts. The only real difference is that Melo makes more than most. I never once heard anything about the Knicks building around anyone NOT NAME AMARE.

Felton was brought in to re-run the pic n roll offense which was supposed to help Amare who unfortunately couldn't stay healthy. Chandler was more likely brought in to shore up Amare's lack of defense down low. If this team was built around anyone, it was Amare.

frankly there has not been a plan to build anything since the trade for melo happened. in order to build you need a blueprint and in order to have a blueprint you need an architect who has a vision of what the final product will look like and function like.

all that has occurred has been a reaction not a development. is an acquisition of materials with no real plan behind it. it smacks of desperation at this point, which arises after continued ineptitude. second-round spankings just reinforce this.

you displace amare by virtue of the inability of he and melo to coexist-- too much overlap and redundancy.
you displace fields immediately.
you force out the coach and the gm.
you refuse to re-sign a point guard phenom because all of a sudden the owners deep pockets disappear right around the same time as the new main guy calls the phenom's contract ridiculous.
you resign a scrubby non-orchestrator to run a team that is isolation-centric.
you alienate the center and the best perimeter defender while enabling the resident chucker and his unstable sidekick.

I don't know what the heck your talking about ^ so I can't even try to rebut it.

you castigate a three-point specialist who you don't run plays for and yank the chain of a 29 year old euro-rookie.
you acquire a soft euro volume shooter to complement the resident volume shooter.

who really knows. The only time we had a Healthy Melo with Amare was right after the trade for Melo. They only had a few months to try and build some chemistry, then they had one game together in the playoffs before he was injured again. I don't think they ever had a true opportunity to see if it could be made to work. I don't think they ever saw a whole month of floor time when both were healthy. I may be wrong but, that how I vaguely remember it.

No one forced out the coach. Coaches that get forced out tend to get fired....coach quite. No one forced the GM out and if Walsh didn't walk on his own, then it was because of Dolan, NOT Melo. You brought that from left field and it has no substance.

Fuk Linn, we got a better deal in Felton with little or no drop off.
The scrubby non-orchestrator put up similar stats to your soft ass phenom and was there for the playoffs and made a big impact against Boston.

It was ridiculous and others more knowledgeable than you agree.

The three point specialist was dogging it on defense and was wilting from the pressure becoming a non issue so, non issue :)

We replaced Nosack with a guy that can do a bit more which, is ok.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Homerism is a curse

tkf said:Again this is homerism at it's worse

Homerism? Or simply enjoying the sunshine on a cloudy day?

Homerism? Or celebrating the possibility, not the 99 problems, of a new season. Not last year. A new season.

Homerism? Gimme a break with the depressed Debbie Downer vocabulary.

Homerism? Really? If being proud of being a born and bred New Yorker, and supporting m beloved team - win or lose - is being a "homer" then dammit sign me up.

Carmelo Anthony averaged 8 rebounds a game.

what does being proud of being born in NY have to do with supporting a team? I am a proud New yorker, which is why I don't support guys like carmelo.. a Poser a guy who is Hollering he is from NY, yet he sports a west baltimore tat.. well guess what.. I was born and raised in NY until my early 20's, I have been in Atlanta for 20 years, and guess what my TAT says.. it isn't a big "A"... it is a big "NY". don't talk about being proud of being born in NY and associate it with rooting for a bunch of unlikeable guys.. your pride should demand you to expect and want more!

which is why my NY pride doesn't allow me to root for some selfish, wannabe, moronic, idiotic, self aggrandizing, one dimensional, coach killing, out of shape, no passing, inefficient, overpaid, team gutting, playoff losing, chucker!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I MEAN IT!

Wow. You don't say, really? Hasn't your dog decomposed by now?

Somberism must be like vitamins for some people.

And just to stay on topic:
Bargs --- Camby, Novak, QRich and some draft picks (please, go on and on about the draft picks)
Give us the fabulous breakdown on the value of each of the players we DIDN'T steal Bargs with.

See? You and your likeability index should prove insanely valuable here, once again. Just like it did when you tell us the worth of what Denver "stole" from us for Baltimore's Most Likely Citizen to Pose in a wax Knicks Uniform.

Gee, and I thought you actually liked Shump and Stat...hmmmmm...

use your own head we used 2 picks to obtain camby, and then included him in a deal with 3 other picks to pick up softgnani... so basically marcus camby directly or indirectly cost us 5 picks... not sure how this deal was a STEAL?

In the whole mix, individually all of these players aren't that good or way past their prime(camby)... novak as I said before isn't that good, Q rich, isn't that good, Bargs, isn't that good... so we just traded out some flawed and broken down parts for other flawed and broken down parts... and paid twice the price.... and you call that a steal?

misterearl wrote:NY Pride?

tkf: which is why my NY pride doesn't allow me to root for some selfish, wannabe, moronic, idiotic, self aggrandizing, one dimensional, coach killing, out of shape, no passing, inefficient, overpaid, team gutting, playoff losing, chucker!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting

tkf - as your NY pride commands you to root against Knicks players and for the home team that is no longer your home team, perhaps you would be less conflicted, and better for your health (yes The Answer Man cares about your health) that you simply adopt the colors of your current residence and invest your passion into the Atlanta Hawks.

Your resentment for Carmelo Anthony is at such a fever pitch that we should hope you never meet him on an elevator.

tkf wrote:
which is why my NY pride doesn't allow me to root for some selfish, wannabe, moronic, idiotic, self aggrandizing, one dimensional, coach killing, out of shape, no passing, inefficient, overpaid, team gutting, playoff losing, chucker!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I MEAN IT!

Sorry but when I see this type of rant about an athlete generally a red flag goes up. To have this deep of a hatred towards another who you do not know personally, has not materially harmed you nor performed criminal actions really speaks to a serious issue. You appear to be obsessed with Carmelo in a negative way - as if he has deeply wounded you in some way. Athletes are essentially entertainers....if you do not like the show....you are free to change the channel instead of continuing to watch only to obsess on how bad the acting is.

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:
which is why my NY pride doesn't allow me to root for some selfish, wannabe, moronic, idiotic, self aggrandizing, one dimensional, coach killing, out of shape, no passing, inefficient, overpaid, team gutting, playoff losing, chucker!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I MEAN IT!

Sorry but when I see this type of rant about an athlete generally a red flag goes up. To have this deep of a hatred towards another who you do not know personally, has not materially harmed you nor performed criminal actions really speaks to a serious issue. You appear to be obsessed with Carmelo in a negative way - as if he has deeply wounded you in some way. Athletes are essentially entertainers....if you do not like the show....you are free to change the channel instead of continuing to watch only to obsess on how bad the acting is.

so long as you regard sport as primarily entertainment and athletes primarily as entertainers you won't have any standards for excellence and you will never deserve to root for a title-winning team. that pathetic piece of shyt dolan just loves folks like you.