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reub
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9/18/2016  4:53 PM
Hillary uses her surrogates to do most of her dirty work.
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9/18/2016  5:07 PM
reub wrote:Hillary uses her surrogates to do most of her dirty work.

It's politics so what's so shocking about this? In the end Trump is a know nothing and completely unfit to lead and represent this country. He lies at a level unseen in history and his business ties are a threat to this country. Anyone who votes for Trump is risking the future of this country and the world! He's that dangerous. Hillary has her issues but my God Trump is a disaster!!!

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9/18/2016  5:47 PM
I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Bring back dee-fense
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9/18/2016  6:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/18/2016  6:48 PM
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?

The media has been having trouble trying to cover Trump since day one. Trump has been a con man for decades and he's mastered this. Let's not forget how he pretended to be his own publicist and would call the press to plant stories. He's a professional liar!!! He may be the best of all time at talking BS!

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9/18/2016  7:42 PM
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.
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9/18/2016  7:54 PM
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
holfresh
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9/18/2016  8:00 PM
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

The media as a whole likes the ratings the Trump spectacle has brought to the election...CNN had Trump on everyday towards the end of the primary..

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9/18/2016  8:09 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

The media as a whole likes the ratings the Trump spectacle has brought to the election...CNN had Trump on everyday towards the end of the primary..

Also remember they used to allow him just to call in for interviews just so they could say they had him on the show. A manuver done solely for ratings.

Bring back dee-fense
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9/18/2016  8:12 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

The media as a whole likes the ratings the Trump spectacle has brought to the election...CNN had Trump on everyday towards the end of the primary..

well trump is more interesting than hillary ... I still think that CNN def slants towards hillary just as fox slants to trump.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  8:16 PM
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

I talking about the surrogates. It doesn't matter how many questions you ask them, the surrogates ALWAYS pivot back to Hillary and never answer the Trump related question. It's very frustrating how Trump and his supporters are getting away with this.

But to answer your question, I think the media generally leans left. However, in this case I think they're justified in pressing Trump because they know the amount of lies and B.S. he's spreading. It used to be the media's job to try and keep these folks honest. Trump lies and the media probably feels powerless because Trump doesn't care and a sizable percentage of people seem to be cool with it too.

It's like that old saying about not wanting to fight a crazy person. If you step into the ring and a guy starts punching his own face, you're probably in for a long night.

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9/18/2016  8:22 PM
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

I talking about the surrogates. It doesn't matter how many questions you ask them, the surrogates ALWAYS pivot back to Hillary and never answer the Trump related question. It's very frustrating how Trump and his supporters are getting away with this.

But to answer your question, I think the media generally leans left. However, in this case I think they're justified in pressing Trump because they know the amount of lies and B.S. he's spreading. It used to be the media's job to try and keep these folks honest. Trump lies and the media probably feels powerless because Trump doesn't care and a sizable percentage of people seem to be cool with it too.

It's like that old saying about not wanting to fight a crazy person. If you step into the ring and a guy starts punching his own face, you're probably in for a long night.

They are both liars. If there was a national poll about who is a bigger liar? I think that Hillary probably wins that one comfortably.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  8:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/18/2016  8:28 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

The media as a whole likes the ratings the Trump spectacle has brought to the election...CNN had Trump on everyday towards the end of the primary..

well trump is more interesting than hillary ... I still think that CNN def slants towards hillary just as fox slants to trump.

I don't think Fox's coverage of Republicans can be fairly described as a simple slant...

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9/18/2016  8:28 PM
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

I talking about the surrogates. It doesn't matter how many questions you ask them, the surrogates ALWAYS pivot back to Hillary and never answer the Trump related question. It's very frustrating how Trump and his supporters are getting away with this.

But to answer your question, I think the media generally leans left. However, in this case I think they're justified in pressing Trump because they know the amount of lies and B.S. he's spreading. It used to be the media's job to try and keep these folks honest. Trump lies and the media probably feels powerless because Trump doesn't care and a sizable percentage of people seem to be cool with it too.

It's like that old saying about not wanting to fight a crazy person. If you step into the ring and a guy starts punching his own face, you're probably in for a long night.

They are both liars. If there was a national poll about who is a bigger liar? I think that Hillary probably wins that one comfortably.

Why do a poll when you can consult actual fact checkers like politifact...people lie to favor their candidates..But I think you know that...

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9/18/2016  8:28 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

The media as a whole likes the ratings the Trump spectacle has brought to the election...CNN had Trump on everyday towards the end of the primary..

well trump is more interesting than hillary ... I still think that CNN def slants towards hillary just as fox slants to trump.

I don't think Fox's coverage of Republicans can be fairly described as simply slant...

No argument. But being that its Fox against (almost) every other media outlet, its still not even close as overall, the media is heavily slanted to the left.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  8:32 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

I talking about the surrogates. It doesn't matter how many questions you ask them, the surrogates ALWAYS pivot back to Hillary and never answer the Trump related question. It's very frustrating how Trump and his supporters are getting away with this.

But to answer your question, I think the media generally leans left. However, in this case I think they're justified in pressing Trump because they know the amount of lies and B.S. he's spreading. It used to be the media's job to try and keep these folks honest. Trump lies and the media probably feels powerless because Trump doesn't care and a sizable percentage of people seem to be cool with it too.

It's like that old saying about not wanting to fight a crazy person. If you step into the ring and a guy starts punching his own face, you're probably in for a long night.

They are both liars. If there was a national poll about who is a bigger liar? I think that Hillary probably wins that one comfortably.

Why do a poll when you can consult actual fact checkers like politifact...people lie to favor their candidates..But I think you know that...

am I to assume that politifact does not have a bias? That would be silly of me (and you) to believe. There is no such thing but I am sure you are aware of that.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/18/2016  8:35 PM
reub wrote:Hillary uses her surrogates to do most of her dirty work.

Not so in regards to this god awful Birther thing. This is 100% on Trump and his lying ways.

You need to get the fact that Hilary was involved in this out of your head (which still seems stuck in the ground).

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9/18/2016  8:37 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

The media as a whole likes the ratings the Trump spectacle has brought to the election...CNN had Trump on everyday towards the end of the primary..

well trump is more interesting than hillary ... I still think that CNN def slants towards hillary just as fox slants to trump.

I don't think Fox's coverage of Republicans can be fairly described as simply slant...

No argument. But being that its Fox against (almost) every other media outlet, its still not even close as overall, the media is heavily slanted to the left.


I think there is a mischaracterization of what's happening..There are a few stations including the NYTimes that may have liberal bias which is completely different from learning left..Fox promotes Republicanism as MSNBC promotes the Democratic Party ideals..CNN, NBC does not outwardly promote Democratic ideals..
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9/18/2016  8:39 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

I talking about the surrogates. It doesn't matter how many questions you ask them, the surrogates ALWAYS pivot back to Hillary and never answer the Trump related question. It's very frustrating how Trump and his supporters are getting away with this.

But to answer your question, I think the media generally leans left. However, in this case I think they're justified in pressing Trump because they know the amount of lies and B.S. he's spreading. It used to be the media's job to try and keep these folks honest. Trump lies and the media probably feels powerless because Trump doesn't care and a sizable percentage of people seem to be cool with it too.

It's like that old saying about not wanting to fight a crazy person. If you step into the ring and a guy starts punching his own face, you're probably in for a long night.

They are both liars. If there was a national poll about who is a bigger liar? I think that Hillary probably wins that one comfortably.

Why do a poll when you can consult actual fact checkers like politifact...people lie to favor their candidates..But I think you know that...

am I to assume that politifact does not have a bias? That would be silly of me (and you) to believe. There is no such thing but I am sure you are aware of that.

Everyone is biased..But just because you have a bias doesn't mean you don't tell the truth..

mreinman
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9/18/2016  8:43 PM
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

I talking about the surrogates. It doesn't matter how many questions you ask them, the surrogates ALWAYS pivot back to Hillary and never answer the Trump related question. It's very frustrating how Trump and his supporters are getting away with this.

But to answer your question, I think the media generally leans left. However, in this case I think they're justified in pressing Trump because they know the amount of lies and B.S. he's spreading. It used to be the media's job to try and keep these folks honest. Trump lies and the media probably feels powerless because Trump doesn't care and a sizable percentage of people seem to be cool with it too.

It's like that old saying about not wanting to fight a crazy person. If you step into the ring and a guy starts punching his own face, you're probably in for a long night.

They are both liars. If there was a national poll about who is a bigger liar? I think that Hillary probably wins that one comfortably.

Why do a poll when you can consult actual fact checkers like politifact...people lie to favor their candidates..But I think you know that...

am I to assume that politifact does not have a bias? That would be silly of me (and you) to believe. There is no such thing but I am sure you are aware of that.

Everyone is biased..But just because you have a bias doesn't mean you don't tell the truth..

yeah ... that is actually what it means. Most with a bias tend to care more about their parties than the truth.

Do you think that the PR people say "just go out there and be honest"? Or do they say just go out there and say/sell X?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
holfresh
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9/18/2016  8:52 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Welpee wrote:
JesseDark wrote:I watched all the Sunday morning news shows this morning and not a single question to any Trump surrogate about when he will be releasing his taxes or the letter stating he was being audited. Very frustrating. Why not follow the question about President Obama's birth certificate with a tax question?
Doesn't matter, they would spend 5 seconds discussing Trump and the next 5 minutes pivoting back to Hillary.

do you think that the media as a whole leans more towards trump?

I talking about the surrogates. It doesn't matter how many questions you ask them, the surrogates ALWAYS pivot back to Hillary and never answer the Trump related question. It's very frustrating how Trump and his supporters are getting away with this.

But to answer your question, I think the media generally leans left. However, in this case I think they're justified in pressing Trump because they know the amount of lies and B.S. he's spreading. It used to be the media's job to try and keep these folks honest. Trump lies and the media probably feels powerless because Trump doesn't care and a sizable percentage of people seem to be cool with it too.

It's like that old saying about not wanting to fight a crazy person. If you step into the ring and a guy starts punching his own face, you're probably in for a long night.

They are both liars. If there was a national poll about who is a bigger liar? I think that Hillary probably wins that one comfortably.

Why do a poll when you can consult actual fact checkers like politifact...people lie to favor their candidates..But I think you know that...

am I to assume that politifact does not have a bias? That would be silly of me (and you) to believe. There is no such thing but I am sure you are aware of that.

Everyone is biased..But just because you have a bias doesn't mean you don't tell the truth..

yeah ... that is actually what it means. Most with a bias tend to care more about their parties than the truth.

Do you think that the PR people say "just go out there and be honest"? Or do they say just go out there and say/sell X?

It's not a perfect scenario but there are journalist who go out and tell the truth..When I refer to bias in journalism, I mean the theme of the story leans a certain way because you can't help but present it a certain way because uts who you are..Fox News is not that..Fox News is not interested in presenting a balance view..Fox New makes no bones about presenting the Republican point of view..

Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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