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GoNyGoNyGo
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7/21/2016  2:41 PM
holfresh wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:With the shots I have taken at Trump, I have to say I'm no fan of Hilary either..Definately an election of lessor of two evils..

The thought of having someone with Hillary Clinton's record of incompetence and dishonesty leading this country. Commander in Chief Hillary Clinton is a total nightmare. A very frightening scenario that will put all our innocent lives at risk

Yesterday Trump said he would abandon NATO allies, specifically those that border Russia and wouldn't defend them. That type of policy, similar to when George Bush I signaled to Saddam that the US wouldn't do anything if Kuwait was invaded is FAR MORE dangerous than anything Hillary has ever even imagined. Putin surely heard that loud and clear and as when he invaded a sovereign European nation recently and annexed land by force you should be positively frightened by the prospect of Trump abandoning the NATO alliance.

Trump is a pathological liar and yet you blame Hillary for dishonesty. I feel like I'm living in la la land. And I'm no Hillary fan and she surely is cagey probably because she's been slandered incessantly for 30 years (By the way a Trump advisor called on her to be shot in front of a firing squad and or locked up for Benghazi when TWO republican lead congressional committees absolved her of any wrongdoing --that kind of talk is beyond the pale and disgusting).

So sure, Hillary is cagey and dishonest about stuff but Trump is literally a pathological liar and probably a sociopath who cares only about himself and who is also wholey ignorant about world and domestic issues. Dangerously ignorant.

And this is coming from a Republican...


MAtthew Yglesias is NOT a Republican. He is a Harvard grad, who worked for the Atlantic and now Vox. This is a typical hit piece.

Fair enough.

Substantively, what do you think Yglesias got wrong, specifically?


I am reading the Times article now.

What first strikes me as funny is how a Liberal paper is now worried about a US presence throughout the globe to protect us. In the past this would be denoucned by the same paper as US imperialism.

Trump is talking money here. He is saying we have gotten ourselves into MASSIVE debt with all these programs and perhaps it is worth looking at pulling back some in order to get our house in order. That is how I read his comments. He even says it would be cheaper to just deploy rather than maintaining the presence the whole time. I don't know but perhaps he is right. I am not saying I agree but his answer is not lunacy as was portrayed by Yglesias.

I'll keep reading.

The operation in Afghanistan is a NATO operation but Trump doesn't know that...

Afghanistan is not mentioned once in the NYT article. Source please.

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7/21/2016  2:55 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Bill is likeable, its not just me.

I don't think it is just you.

That's the point.

Philandering (be in Bill or Trump) - that's cool.

But she didn't leave him - what'd a hypocritical shrew.

You're tapping into a very real and very common standard in terms of gender roles in this culture.

I've asked you to address the issue and all you've said it, "it isn't just me".

And I agree with you.

GWB

Of course you do. Give me some specifics about his intellect. Facts, please.

Sure. I said it was a belief and I'll tell you what it's based on, independent of the facts about this relative academic achievements.

I've never seen George Bush express a nuanced thought. And I'm not exaggerating. He speaks in single thoughts ... almost exclusively in single sentences strung together. I've never witnessed him explain a complicated idea. I've never witnessed him introduce a new idea or cast any ideas in a new light.

Try to picture thinkers you admire speaking in public, engaging in expressing their ideas. Does this describe Bush at all?

Even his supporters recognize this and call him a "plain spoken." But I think it's perfectly fair to question whether a plain speaker is a plainer thinker.

I made a point to question his relative intelligence. I'm not saying he's stupid, but I've never seen evidence he is a deep thinker - that ideas are a passion for him, and it is plainly recognizable in those who it is a passion.

I also don't think there is evidence of an active intellect before, during (he took record vacations) or post-presidency. IN his post-presidential life, he has not gravitated towards a signature cause as many presidents do.

I just don't see any evidence of an active, curious mind.

Paul Ryan has a mind. John Kasich has a mind. Gingrich is a thinker. I don't like many of their thoughts, but I don't dismiss anyone on he right as being stupid. George Bush simply doesn't present as a serious thinker.

He is socially intelligent? Clearly and that's a legitimate form of intelligence. Connecting people is hard. He could clearly do it better than Gore, who could and did run circles around him intellectually.

And on that note...

Satire? No Way! That is pure hatred for the man shrouded in artistic expression.

SNL savaged Al Gore. Many thought the famous SNL debate skits played worse for him than they did for Bush. "Lock box" was as much a buzzphrase as "strategery."

You're reaching here.

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7/21/2016  3:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/21/2016  3:11 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
fishmike wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:With all Hillary has shown about herself, what do you see?

A person whose ambitions have led to questionable choices.

But I also see a person who dedicated her life to public service and to worthy causes a decades before being a senator from NY or Secretary of State or President was an obtainable goal.

Of the two candidates, I see someone whose biography is about actual public service.

To suggest the choices she made in her life have all been a grand scheme to be President is ludicrous.

IMO. Pence was great. IF showing you are a family person who believes in God and Country is "regressive" then so be it.

Exactly which President or VP candidate has NOT done that in their first convention speech?

Her speeches to Wall Street at $200K per were about public service? Selling our Uranium to Russia so they can sell it to Iran was in our public interest? Getting millions from the Saudi royal family was in the public's interests?

I don't know if any candidate has not said those things nor did I suggest that but I do know that when Pence says it you can believe him as he lives that life.

That isn't a response to what I wrote.

Can you acknowledge, not admire, but just at least acknowledge the woman Hillary Clinton has a biography of public service going back to her high school years (for Republican causes, btw)? Do you have any knowledge of her years at Yale or her early years in Arkansas?

Clinton is an highly imperfect candidate and yeah, a less imperfect candidate would be ideal. But this caricature of her is overblown.

She is a serious person and a serious intellect who has a track record of genuine concern about the welfare of children, and the poor and disadvantaged and public policy.

One may disagree with federally mandated or controlled universal healthcare (the issue that put her on the GOP map for scorn) but can anyone really question the intent, despite the philosophical divide on application?

I GET people hate her. I GET people's real concerns about her. I don't get why she needs to be a caricature.

Hyperbole is almost universally a sign of a lack of knowledge and/or conviction.

Honestly I do NOT know of her time before 1992. I will need to read up on it.

Judging what I see over the last 20+ years, she is repugnant to me.

I truly believe that with the pattern of corruption that seems to follow her, that she is not someone I could ever support. Bill is likable, she is not. I do not believe her intentions are for anyone's benefit but her own.

As I said before, I don't love either candidate. Judging from some of the posts here some of us may be better candidates.

As for being a caricature, were you equally worried about GWB being so maligned and mistreated and made a caricature of? I only say that because it happens both ways and to be fair we need to acknowledge it.

I 100% agree with your bold. I really really dislike her. Its really hard to stomach the "life of service to the people" argument when you consider just what that lifestyle entails. When you consider the lifestyle that her public service has provided, along with the bank that argument is a real non starter.

However I 100% believe Trump also fits into that bold, that's also not really up for debate. I don't even really think regardless of what party you pledge your allegence to that that can be denied. Everything about Trump is first and foremost about Trump. Now if you take those two as equals, which candidate is better? Who's self serving agenda takes this country to dark place and who's doesn't have much impact at all?

Trump is an admitted FAN of Putin. A KGB leftover who kills those in his way. I mean he's paid compliments to NKorea's Kim. Some of the things Trump has said that have been glossed over are mind numbingly scary. In this case Hillary being a career politician who probably does little but cater to voters and tow the party line is a HUGE positive.

Maybe Trump can help make those who are still on the fence feel safer tonight with his speech


His problem is that if he gives a teleprompter speech written by professionals, it will be obvious that he is being handled and is not himself,

But if he has no real script, or goes off it substantially, you'll see the real Trump…the guy that will scare most rational independent/undecided voters.

So which Trump will you see- the scripted Trump or the scary Trump? Either way he has some problems because he's painted a certain picture of himself up to this point, and in some ways he is penned in by the Trump persona he has created?

No different than Hillary or any other previous Presidents and candidates


Not really true.

Sarah Palin sounded somewhat rational in her acceptance speech which was written for her, but without a script she was embarrassing and turned out to be a total idiot/fool, which is what folks see her as now.

Trump had a scripted speech a few weeks ago, and the difference was astounding.

If you give him any freedom to speak off the cuff, he plays to the crowd in front of him, with little restraint or forethought.

Cruz, whatever you think of him (and I hate him), gave a powerful speech which had some passion, but also some discipline in it.

Not sure that Trump will come across as the genuine item with a totally scripted speech.

Will be interesting to see how they do it tonight.

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7/21/2016  3:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/21/2016  3:25 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Bill is likeable, its not just me.

I don't think it is just you.

That's the point.

Philandering (be in Bill or Trump) - that's cool.

But she didn't leave him - what'd a hypocritical shrew.

You're tapping into a very real and very common standard in terms of gender roles in this culture.

I've asked you to address the issue and all you've said it, "it isn't just me".

And I agree with you.

GWB

Of course you do. Give me some specifics about his intellect. Facts, please.

Sure. I said it was a belief and I'll tell you what it's based on, independent of the facts about this relative academic achievements.

I've never seen George Bush express a nuanced thought. And I'm not exaggerating. He speaks in single thoughts ... almost exclusively in single sentences strung together. I've never witnessed him explain a complicated idea. I've never witnessed him introduce a new idea or cast any ideas in a new light.

Try to picture thinkers you admire speaking in public, engaging in expressing their ideas. Does this describe Bush at all?

Even his supporters recognize this and call him a "plain spoken." But I think it's perfectly fair to question whether a plain speaker is a plainer thinker.

I made a point to question his relative intelligence. I'm not saying he's stupid, but I've never seen evidence he is a deep thinker - that ideas are a passion for him, and it is plainly recognizable in those who it is a passion.

I also don't think there is evidence of an active intellect before, during (he took record vacations) or post-presidency. IN his post-presidential life, he has not gravitated towards a signature cause as many presidents do.

I just don't see any evidence of an active, curious mind.

GWB is an avid reader and has taken up art in his post presidency. He also has had the respect for the office and stayed out of the way and not commented on issues that BO deals with unlike what WJC did to him.

Paul Ryan has a mind. John Kasich has a mind. Gingrich is a thinker. I don't like many of their thoughts, but I don't dismiss anyone on he right as being stupid. George Bush simply doesn't present as a serious thinker. BUsh Doctrine is attributed to him. There is some thought there, agree or disagree

He is socially intelligent? Clearly and that's a legitimate form of intelligence. Connecting people is hard. He could clearly do it better than Gore, who could and did run circles around him intellectually. OPINION

And on that note...

Satire? No Way! That is pure hatred for the man shrouded in artistic expression.

SNL savaged Al Gore. Many thought the famous SNL debate skits played worse for him than they did for Bush. "Lock box" was as much a buzzphrase as "strategery."

You're reaching here.


Also, that is weak. AL Gore and his lock box on one show compared to hundreds of shows and references to GWB. Not the same. You are reaching hard.

As for your GWB diatribe, those are all your opinions, not facts. I'll add the opinion of someone who has spoken to him.

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7/21/2016  3:18 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
She has changed her position on gay marriage several times to the point that SNL openly mocked her. That was a NY Senator.

No, not really. She genuinely changed positions, no question. But I'm not aware of the back and forth you're suggesting.

Hillarycare was supposed to be a transparent thing that was anything but.

Can you be more specific please?

Her calling a right wing conspiracy when her husband got nailed for getting some from an intern.

That is an utter mischaracterization you're apparently unaware of. She did not characterize accusations of the Lewinsky matter as false and a product of conspiracy. Please educate yourself as to what was actually asked and said.

That she espoused to be for women's rights (feminism) and then still stays with a man that has so mistreated her over the years with his constant philandering. To me, that shows that she is in this just to be Pres. I'd have more respect for her position if she dumped him.

Here is what's disturbing about that statement. I hope you choose to address it.

You wrote this a few minutes ago.

"Bill is likable, she is not."

On a personal level you relate and find the guy you deem mistreated his wide and a serial philanderer likeable, but the focus on your scorn and personal dislike is on who'd you by necessity would characterize as the victim.

You like Bill, but hate Hilary, because Bill cheated on her.

This is noteworthy, and I think informative about the gender roles in play in the caricature of Hilary Clinton.

I wonder if you'd admit to recognizing it in what's fairly your own words?

GWB?

The biggest is that he is stupid. That caricature of him continues to this day.

I personally do question the RELATIVE intellectual weight of George Bush.

But what you seems to be sampling is satire, and that's not what we're talking about.


OH hell yes, she did. The pink-jumpsuit press conference! I watched very closely. She absolutely blamed it on a RW withc hunt. Show me proof otherwise.

On January 27, 1998, Hillary Clinton appeared on NBC's The Today Show, in an interview with Matt Lauer.

Matt Lauer: "You have said, I understand, to some close friends, that this is the last great battle, and that one side or the other is going down here."

Hillary Clinton: "Well, I don't know if I've been that dramatic. That would sound like a good line from a movie. But I do believe that this is a battle. I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this — they have popped up in other settings. This is — the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president."

Watch the whole thing. She was referring to a bigger picture surrounding the Clintons and the right since they entered national life.

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7/21/2016  3:25 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Bill is likeable, its not just me.

I don't think it is just you.

That's the point.

Philandering (be in Bill or Trump) - that's cool.

But she didn't leave him - what'd a hypocritical shrew.

You're tapping into a very real and very common standard in terms of gender roles in this culture.

I've asked you to address the issue and all you've said it, "it isn't just me".

And I agree with you.

GWB

Of course you do. Give me some specifics about his intellect. Facts, please.

Sure. I said it was a belief and I'll tell you what it's based on, independent of the facts about this relative academic achievements.

I've never seen George Bush express a nuanced thought. And I'm not exaggerating. He speaks in single thoughts ... almost exclusively in single sentences strung together. I've never witnessed him explain a complicated idea. I've never witnessed him introduce a new idea or cast any ideas in a new light.

Try to picture thinkers you admire speaking in public, engaging in expressing their ideas. Does this describe Bush at all?

Even his supporters recognize this and call him a "plain spoken." But I think it's perfectly fair to question whether a plain speaker is a plainer thinker.

I made a point to question his relative intelligence. I'm not saying he's stupid, but I've never seen evidence he is a deep thinker - that ideas are a passion for him, and it is plainly recognizable in those who it is a passion.

I also don't think there is evidence of an active intellect before, during (he took record vacations) or post-presidency. IN his post-presidential life, he has not gravitated towards a signature cause as many presidents do.

I just don't see any evidence of an active, curious mind.

GWB is an avid reader and has taken up art in his post presidency. He also has had the respect for the office and stayed out of the way and not commented on issues that BO deals with unlike what WJC did to him.

Paul Ryan has a mind. John Kasich has a mind. Gingrich is a thinker. I don't like many of their thoughts, but I don't dismiss anyone on he right as being stupid. George Bush simply doesn't present as a serious thinker. BUsh Doctrine is attributed to him. There is some thought there, agree or disagree

He is socially intelligent? Clearly and that's a legitimate form of intelligence. Connecting people is hard. He could clearly do it better than Gore, who could and did run circles around him intellectually. OPINION

And on that note...

Satire? No Way! That is pure hatred for the man shrouded in artistic expression.

SNL savaged Al Gore. Many thought the famous SNL debate skits played worse for him than they did for Bush. "Lock box" was as much a buzzphrase as "strategery."

You're reaching here.


Also, that is weak. AL Gore and his lock box on one show compared to hundreds of shows and references to GWB. Not the same. You are reaching hard.

As for your GWB diatribe, those are all your opinions, not facts. I'll add the opinion of someone who has spoken to him.

http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/

re posting so you see some facts..

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7/21/2016  3:26 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Bill is likeable, its not just me.

I don't think it is just you.

That's the point.

Philandering (be in Bill or Trump) - that's cool.

But she didn't leave him - what'd a hypocritical shrew.

You're tapping into a very real and very common standard in terms of gender roles in this culture.

I've asked you to address the issue and all you've said it, "it isn't just me".

And I agree with you.

GWB

Of course you do. Give me some specifics about his intellect. Facts, please.

Sure. I said it was a belief and I'll tell you what it's based on, independent of the facts about this relative academic achievements.

I've never seen George Bush express a nuanced thought. And I'm not exaggerating. He speaks in single thoughts ... almost exclusively in single sentences strung together. I've never witnessed him explain a complicated idea. I've never witnessed him introduce a new idea or cast any ideas in a new light.

Try to picture thinkers you admire speaking in public, engaging in expressing their ideas. Does this describe Bush at all?

Even his supporters recognize this and call him a "plain spoken." But I think it's perfectly fair to question whether a plain speaker is a plainer thinker.

I made a point to question his relative intelligence. I'm not saying he's stupid, but I've never seen evidence he is a deep thinker - that ideas are a passion for him, and it is plainly recognizable in those who it is a passion.

I also don't think there is evidence of an active intellect before, during (he took record vacations) or post-presidency. IN his post-presidential life, he has not gravitated towards a signature cause as many presidents do.

I just don't see any evidence of an active, curious mind.

GWB is an avid reader and has taken up art in his post presidency. He also has had the respect for the office and stayed out of the way and not commented on issues that BO deals with unlike what WJC did to him.

Paul Ryan has a mind. John Kasich has a mind. Gingrich is a thinker. I don't like many of their thoughts, but I don't dismiss anyone on he right as being stupid. George Bush simply doesn't present as a serious thinker. BUsh Doctrine is attributed to him. There is some thought there, agree or disagree

He is socially intelligent? Clearly and that's a legitimate form of intelligence. Connecting people is hard. He could clearly do it better than Gore, who could and did run circles around him intellectually. OPINION

And on that note...

Satire? No Way! That is pure hatred for the man shrouded in artistic expression.

SNL savaged Al Gore. Many thought the famous SNL debate skits played worse for him than they did for Bush. "Lock box" was as much a buzzphrase as "strategery."

You're reaching here.


Also, that is weak. AL Gore and his lock box on one show compared to hundreds of shows and references to GWB. Not the same. You are reaching hard.

As for your GWB diatribe, those are all your opinions, not facts.

He was president. SNL makes fun of presidents.

And I don't know what you're arguing anymore. You responded to what I clearly qualified as a belief. You have no "facts" regarding his intellectual acumen either.

I have not said he is stupid. I have recognized areas he has intelligence. I'm not doing a hit job. I just see no evidence of someone that has ideas he's eager to share, which is the brand of intellect I'm referring to.

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7/21/2016  3:26 PM
holfresh wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:Meanwhile in Dwayne Wade's old town and still prehistoric raptor Bosh's current town...

Yeah...saw this. F'n unbelievable. I just don't understand the mindset of some people.

That image of him on the ground with his hands up before being shot is going to be all over the nation and world.


CashMoney...where are you. You're an officer...what would you do in that situation?

I was the Head Dean in my HS for a number of years, and I worked with cops all the time, and considered some my friends. I am not anti-police, and always point out that I wouldn't want to be living in a society without them, BUT this is simply getting out of hand.


This story is insane. You would think officers would err on the side of NOT shooting a guy with hands up and back on the ground, Yes even with cops being attacked the last 2 weeks. This is incredible. The officer should lose his gun and be suspended and re-trained.

But when people protest the police for such actions, they get shouted down as an attack on the police..Over 100 unarmed African Americans were killed by police last year..With almost no repercussion..I think one officer out of 100 had to spend a year in jail on weekends...

I guess as officers are armed killing them is always justified.

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7/21/2016  3:29 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
She has changed her position on gay marriage several times to the point that SNL openly mocked her. That was a NY Senator.

No, not really. She genuinely changed positions, no question. But I'm not aware of the back and forth you're suggesting.

Hillarycare was supposed to be a transparent thing that was anything but.

Can you be more specific please?

Her calling a right wing conspiracy when her husband got nailed for getting some from an intern.

That is an utter mischaracterization you're apparently unaware of. She did not characterize accusations of the Lewinsky matter as false and a product of conspiracy. Please educate yourself as to what was actually asked and said.

That she espoused to be for women's rights (feminism) and then still stays with a man that has so mistreated her over the years with his constant philandering. To me, that shows that she is in this just to be Pres. I'd have more respect for her position if she dumped him.

Here is what's disturbing about that statement. I hope you choose to address it.

You wrote this a few minutes ago.

"Bill is likable, she is not."

On a personal level you relate and find the guy you deem mistreated his wide and a serial philanderer likeable, but the focus on your scorn and personal dislike is on who'd you by necessity would characterize as the victim.

You like Bill, but hate Hilary, because Bill cheated on her.

This is noteworthy, and I think informative about the gender roles in play in the caricature of Hilary Clinton.

I wonder if you'd admit to recognizing it in what's fairly your own words?

GWB?

The biggest is that he is stupid. That caricature of him continues to this day.

I personally do question the RELATIVE intellectual weight of George Bush.

But what you seems to be sampling is satire, and that's not what we're talking about.


OH hell yes, she did. The pink-jumpsuit press conference! I watched very closely. She absolutely blamed it on a RW withc hunt. Show me proof otherwise.

On January 27, 1998, Hillary Clinton appeared on NBC's The Today Show, in an interview with Matt Lauer.

Matt Lauer: "You have said, I understand, to some close friends, that this is the last great battle, and that one side or the other is going down here."

Hillary Clinton: "Well, I don't know if I've been that dramatic. That would sound like a good line from a movie. But I do believe that this is a battle. I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this — they have popped up in other settings. This is — the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president."

Watch the whole thing. She was referring to a bigger picture surrounding the Clintons and the right since they entered national life.


Yes, and what was the purpose of that interview? To get her response on the Lewinsky scandal. She used it to deflect away while looking all demure in that pink jumpsuit.

Do you not see thru that?

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7/21/2016  3:30 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Bill is likeable, its not just me.

I don't think it is just you.

That's the point.

Philandering (be in Bill or Trump) - that's cool.

But she didn't leave him - what'd a hypocritical shrew.

You're tapping into a very real and very common standard in terms of gender roles in this culture.

I've asked you to address the issue and all you've said it, "it isn't just me".

And I agree with you.

GWB

Of course you do. Give me some specifics about his intellect. Facts, please.

Sure. I said it was a belief and I'll tell you what it's based on, independent of the facts about this relative academic achievements.

I've never seen George Bush express a nuanced thought. And I'm not exaggerating. He speaks in single thoughts ... almost exclusively in single sentences strung together. I've never witnessed him explain a complicated idea. I've never witnessed him introduce a new idea or cast any ideas in a new light.

Try to picture thinkers you admire speaking in public, engaging in expressing their ideas. Does this describe Bush at all?

Even his supporters recognize this and call him a "plain spoken." But I think it's perfectly fair to question whether a plain speaker is a plainer thinker.

I made a point to question his relative intelligence. I'm not saying he's stupid, but I've never seen evidence he is a deep thinker - that ideas are a passion for him, and it is plainly recognizable in those who it is a passion.

I also don't think there is evidence of an active intellect before, during (he took record vacations) or post-presidency. IN his post-presidential life, he has not gravitated towards a signature cause as many presidents do.

I just don't see any evidence of an active, curious mind.

GWB is an avid reader and has taken up art in his post presidency. He also has had the respect for the office and stayed out of the way and not commented on issues that BO deals with unlike what WJC did to him.

Paul Ryan has a mind. John Kasich has a mind. Gingrich is a thinker. I don't like many of their thoughts, but I don't dismiss anyone on he right as being stupid. George Bush simply doesn't present as a serious thinker. BUsh Doctrine is attributed to him. There is some thought there, agree or disagree

He is socially intelligent? Clearly and that's a legitimate form of intelligence. Connecting people is hard. He could clearly do it better than Gore, who could and did run circles around him intellectually. OPINION

And on that note...

Satire? No Way! That is pure hatred for the man shrouded in artistic expression.

SNL savaged Al Gore. Many thought the famous SNL debate skits played worse for him than they did for Bush. "Lock box" was as much a buzzphrase as "strategery."

You're reaching here.


Also, that is weak. AL Gore and his lock box on one show compared to hundreds of shows and references to GWB. Not the same. You are reaching hard.

As for your GWB diatribe, those are all your opinions, not facts.

He was president. SNL makes fun of presidents.

And I don't know what you're arguing anymore. You responded to what I clearly qualified as a belief. You have no "facts" regarding his intellectual acumen either.

I have not said he is stupid. I have recognized areas he has intelligence. I'm not doing a hit job. I just see no evidence of someone that has ideas he's eager to share, which is the brand of intellect I'm referring to.


You are a man that has never spoken to him but watched from a far. Here is a man who knew him and discussed many issues with him. Who is more factual?
http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/

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7/21/2016  3:35 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
She has changed her position on gay marriage several times to the point that SNL openly mocked her. That was a NY Senator.

No, not really. She genuinely changed positions, no question. But I'm not aware of the back and forth you're suggesting.

Hillarycare was supposed to be a transparent thing that was anything but.

Can you be more specific please?

Her calling a right wing conspiracy when her husband got nailed for getting some from an intern.

That is an utter mischaracterization you're apparently unaware of. She did not characterize accusations of the Lewinsky matter as false and a product of conspiracy. Please educate yourself as to what was actually asked and said.

That she espoused to be for women's rights (feminism) and then still stays with a man that has so mistreated her over the years with his constant philandering. To me, that shows that she is in this just to be Pres. I'd have more respect for her position if she dumped him.

Here is what's disturbing about that statement. I hope you choose to address it.

You wrote this a few minutes ago.

"Bill is likable, she is not."

On a personal level you relate and find the guy you deem mistreated his wide and a serial philanderer likeable, but the focus on your scorn and personal dislike is on who'd you by necessity would characterize as the victim.

You like Bill, but hate Hilary, because Bill cheated on her.

This is noteworthy, and I think informative about the gender roles in play in the caricature of Hilary Clinton.

I wonder if you'd admit to recognizing it in what's fairly your own words?

GWB?

The biggest is that he is stupid. That caricature of him continues to this day.

I personally do question the RELATIVE intellectual weight of George Bush.

But what you seems to be sampling is satire, and that's not what we're talking about.


OH hell yes, she did. The pink-jumpsuit press conference! I watched very closely. She absolutely blamed it on a RW withc hunt. Show me proof otherwise.

On January 27, 1998, Hillary Clinton appeared on NBC's The Today Show, in an interview with Matt Lauer.

Matt Lauer: "You have said, I understand, to some close friends, that this is the last great battle, and that one side or the other is going down here."

Hillary Clinton: "Well, I don't know if I've been that dramatic. That would sound like a good line from a movie. But I do believe that this is a battle. I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this — they have popped up in other settings. This is — the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president."

Watch the whole thing. She was referring to a bigger picture surrounding the Clintons and the right since they entered national life.


Yes, and what was the purpose of that interview? To get her response on the Lewinsky scandal. She used it to deflect away while looking all demure in that pink jumpsuit.

Do you not see thru that?

That isn't what you said.

"Her calling a right wing conspiracy when her husband got nailed for getting some from an intern."

There was more context, more nuance to her words, which isn't reflected here. You're reducing it to a talking point. I just pointed out the actual text of what was said.

You could have as easily correctly characterized it as not. You choose not to.

And I don't know what pink jumpsuit you're referring to, she wasn't wearing one. So I suspect you might want to freshen up a bit on what you think you remember.

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7/21/2016  3:38 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Bill is likeable, its not just me.

I don't think it is just you.

That's the point.

Philandering (be in Bill or Trump) - that's cool.

But she didn't leave him - what'd a hypocritical shrew.

You're tapping into a very real and very common standard in terms of gender roles in this culture.

I've asked you to address the issue and all you've said it, "it isn't just me".

And I agree with you.

GWB

Of course you do. Give me some specifics about his intellect. Facts, please.

Sure. I said it was a belief and I'll tell you what it's based on, independent of the facts about this relative academic achievements.

I've never seen George Bush express a nuanced thought. And I'm not exaggerating. He speaks in single thoughts ... almost exclusively in single sentences strung together. I've never witnessed him explain a complicated idea. I've never witnessed him introduce a new idea or cast any ideas in a new light.

Try to picture thinkers you admire speaking in public, engaging in expressing their ideas. Does this describe Bush at all?

Even his supporters recognize this and call him a "plain spoken." But I think it's perfectly fair to question whether a plain speaker is a plainer thinker.

I made a point to question his relative intelligence. I'm not saying he's stupid, but I've never seen evidence he is a deep thinker - that ideas are a passion for him, and it is plainly recognizable in those who it is a passion.

I also don't think there is evidence of an active intellect before, during (he took record vacations) or post-presidency. IN his post-presidential life, he has not gravitated towards a signature cause as many presidents do.

I just don't see any evidence of an active, curious mind.

GWB is an avid reader and has taken up art in his post presidency. He also has had the respect for the office and stayed out of the way and not commented on issues that BO deals with unlike what WJC did to him.

Paul Ryan has a mind. John Kasich has a mind. Gingrich is a thinker. I don't like many of their thoughts, but I don't dismiss anyone on he right as being stupid. George Bush simply doesn't present as a serious thinker. BUsh Doctrine is attributed to him. There is some thought there, agree or disagree

He is socially intelligent? Clearly and that's a legitimate form of intelligence. Connecting people is hard. He could clearly do it better than Gore, who could and did run circles around him intellectually. OPINION

And on that note...

Satire? No Way! That is pure hatred for the man shrouded in artistic expression.

SNL savaged Al Gore. Many thought the famous SNL debate skits played worse for him than they did for Bush. "Lock box" was as much a buzzphrase as "strategery."

You're reaching here.


Also, that is weak. AL Gore and his lock box on one show compared to hundreds of shows and references to GWB. Not the same. You are reaching hard.

As for your GWB diatribe, those are all your opinions, not facts.

He was president. SNL makes fun of presidents.

And I don't know what you're arguing anymore. You responded to what I clearly qualified as a belief. You have no "facts" regarding his intellectual acumen either.

I have not said he is stupid. I have recognized areas he has intelligence. I'm not doing a hit job. I just see no evidence of someone that has ideas he's eager to share, which is the brand of intellect I'm referring to.


You are a man that has never spoken to him but watched from a far. Here is a man who knew him and discussed many issues with him. Who is more factual?
http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/

Neither, his former employee has a different opinion of him.

I suspect i can find serious people speaking highly of the character of Hilary Clinton. Donald Trump comes to mind (fairly recently).

Do you defer to them on that matter?

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7/21/2016  3:46 PM
arkrud wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:Meanwhile in Dwayne Wade's old town and still prehistoric raptor Bosh's current town...

Yeah...saw this. F'n unbelievable. I just don't understand the mindset of some people.

That image of him on the ground with his hands up before being shot is going to be all over the nation and world.


CashMoney...where are you. You're an officer...what would you do in that situation?

I was the Head Dean in my HS for a number of years, and I worked with cops all the time, and considered some my friends. I am not anti-police, and always point out that I wouldn't want to be living in a society without them, BUT this is simply getting out of hand.


This story is insane. You would think officers would err on the side of NOT shooting a guy with hands up and back on the ground, Yes even with cops being attacked the last 2 weeks. This is incredible. The officer should lose his gun and be suspended and re-trained.

This is nuts!! I can't fathom this at all. I have never owned a rifle or gun so excuse the naivety of my question.

If I'm still and pointing a rifle with my finger on the trigger, is it possible that the trigger is so sensitive that it might fire with slightest shake or movement of my finger or does one as Ive always assumed have to apply some force to pull it back to fire ??

Not looking to make any excuse , I just can't fathom how this man was lying there for awhile and then belatedly gets shot in the leg

Crazy

This what the shooting of police officers will do.
If you think they all are macho you are mistaken.
A lot of them are regular folks with their own psycho issues and fears.
And now some of them scared to death.
You do not want 600K people with a guns to be scared to death.
They are facing very unusual situations all the time and it is just a matter of time before they will pull the trigger.
The only way to prevent it is to disarm regular police officers as some countries did.
But in US this will make a lot of areas a no go war zones and create internal refuges problems.
Solution which makes things worth is not a solution.

The man was on the ground with his hands up....Nothing to fear here. Just goes to show you some police officers just dont value the lives of some black folks...Hence black lives matter...or should matter.

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7/21/2016  4:14 PM
Uptown wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:Meanwhile in Dwayne Wade's old town and still prehistoric raptor Bosh's current town...

Yeah...saw this. F'n unbelievable. I just don't understand the mindset of some people.

That image of him on the ground with his hands up before being shot is going to be all over the nation and world.


CashMoney...where are you. You're an officer...what would you do in that situation?

I was the Head Dean in my HS for a number of years, and I worked with cops all the time, and considered some my friends. I am not anti-police, and always point out that I wouldn't want to be living in a society without them, BUT this is simply getting out of hand.


This story is insane. You would think officers would err on the side of NOT shooting a guy with hands up and back on the ground, Yes even with cops being attacked the last 2 weeks. This is incredible. The officer should lose his gun and be suspended and re-trained.

This is nuts!! I can't fathom this at all. I have never owned a rifle or gun so excuse the naivety of my question.

If I'm still and pointing a rifle with my finger on the trigger, is it possible that the trigger is so sensitive that it might fire with slightest shake or movement of my finger or does one as Ive always assumed have to apply some force to pull it back to fire ??

Not looking to make any excuse , I just can't fathom how this man was lying there for awhile and then belatedly gets shot in the leg

Crazy

This what the shooting of police officers will do.
If you think they all are macho you are mistaken.
A lot of them are regular folks with their own psycho issues and fears.
And now some of them scared to death.
You do not want 600K people with a guns to be scared to death.
They are facing very unusual situations all the time and it is just a matter of time before they will pull the trigger.
The only way to prevent it is to disarm regular police officers as some countries did.
But in US this will make a lot of areas a no go war zones and create internal refuges problems.
Solution which makes things worth is not a solution.

The man was on the ground with his hands up....Nothing to fear here. Just goes to show you some police officers just dont value the lives of some black folks...Hence black lives matter...or should matter.

Obviously the officer was not acting as "normal" person.
The question is why?
You imply he is possibly racist to the extend he likes to shut black people.
Or he is a maniac or lunatic who likes to shut people or just unstable.
Or some secret KKK society is controlling police and directed then to shot black people.
What is you solution to fix it?
Revolution? Riot? Black Ranters patrols? Police screening with publicly assigned psychologist?
Replace police guns with wooden sticks?
Seriously we should look for the motives and for the solutions not just for emotional response.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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7/21/2016  5:17 PM
arkrud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:Meanwhile in Dwayne Wade's old town and still prehistoric raptor Bosh's current town...

Yeah...saw this. F'n unbelievable. I just don't understand the mindset of some people.

That image of him on the ground with his hands up before being shot is going to be all over the nation and world.


CashMoney...where are you. You're an officer...what would you do in that situation?

I was the Head Dean in my HS for a number of years, and I worked with cops all the time, and considered some my friends. I am not anti-police, and always point out that I wouldn't want to be living in a society without them, BUT this is simply getting out of hand.


This story is insane. You would think officers would err on the side of NOT shooting a guy with hands up and back on the ground, Yes even with cops being attacked the last 2 weeks. This is incredible. The officer should lose his gun and be suspended and re-trained.

This is nuts!! I can't fathom this at all. I have never owned a rifle or gun so excuse the naivety of my question.

If I'm still and pointing a rifle with my finger on the trigger, is it possible that the trigger is so sensitive that it might fire with slightest shake or movement of my finger or does one as Ive always assumed have to apply some force to pull it back to fire ??

Not looking to make any excuse , I just can't fathom how this man was lying there for awhile and then belatedly gets shot in the leg

Crazy

This what the shooting of police officers will do.
If you think they all are macho you are mistaken.
A lot of them are regular folks with their own psycho issues and fears.
And now some of them scared to death.
You do not want 600K people with a guns to be scared to death.
They are facing very unusual situations all the time and it is just a matter of time before they will pull the trigger.
The only way to prevent it is to disarm regular police officers as some countries did.
But in US this will make a lot of areas a no go war zones and create internal refuges problems.
Solution which makes things worth is not a solution.

The man was on the ground with his hands up....Nothing to fear here. Just goes to show you some police officers just dont value the lives of some black folks...Hence black lives matter...or should matter.

Obviously the officer was not acting as "normal" person.
The question is why?
You imply he is possibly racist to the extend he likes to shut black people.
Or he is a maniac or lunatic who likes to shut people or just unstable.
Or some secret KKK society is controlling police and directed then to shot black people.
What is you solution to fix it?
Revolution? Riot? Black Ranters patrols? Police screening with publicly assigned psychologist?
Replace police guns with wooden sticks?
Seriously we should look for the motives and for the solutions not just for emotional response.

I mean you preached that everyone is accountable for themselves. The actions of other men have nothing to do with him. The man had his hands up so he wouldn't get shot, explained that he was a behavior therapist in a group home, that all the patient had was a toy truck. Not only was he shot but placed in hand cuffs until medics arrived. What crime did he commit again? It was the patient that the police were called for in the first place.

On the bright side at least he was only shot in the leg. At least that's progress where they are aiming for non vital spots.

Not many condone the shooting of cops. So don't bother with the diversion tactic. Officer is supposed to be trained properly before put out in the streets. If any officer is too scared to handle a complying civilian with his hands up then maybe they shouldn't be out in the streets. Putting peoples lives at risk.

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7/21/2016  5:33 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Bill is likeable, its not just me.

I don't think it is just you.

That's the point.

Philandering (be in Bill or Trump) - that's cool.

But she didn't leave him - what'd a hypocritical shrew.

You're tapping into a very real and very common standard in terms of gender roles in this culture.

I've asked you to address the issue and all you've said it, "it isn't just me".

And I agree with you.

GWB

Of course you do. Give me some specifics about his intellect. Facts, please.

Sure. I said it was a belief and I'll tell you what it's based on, independent of the facts about this relative academic achievements.

I've never seen George Bush express a nuanced thought. And I'm not exaggerating. He speaks in single thoughts ... almost exclusively in single sentences strung together. I've never witnessed him explain a complicated idea. I've never witnessed him introduce a new idea or cast any ideas in a new light.

Try to picture thinkers you admire speaking in public, engaging in expressing their ideas. Does this describe Bush at all?

Even his supporters recognize this and call him a "plain spoken." But I think it's perfectly fair to question whether a plain speaker is a plainer thinker.

I made a point to question his relative intelligence. I'm not saying he's stupid, but I've never seen evidence he is a deep thinker - that ideas are a passion for him, and it is plainly recognizable in those who it is a passion.

I also don't think there is evidence of an active intellect before, during (he took record vacations) or post-presidency. IN his post-presidential life, he has not gravitated towards a signature cause as many presidents do.

I just don't see any evidence of an active, curious mind.

GWB is an avid reader and has taken up art in his post presidency. He also has had the respect for the office and stayed out of the way and not commented on issues that BO deals with unlike what WJC did to him.

Paul Ryan has a mind. John Kasich has a mind. Gingrich is a thinker. I don't like many of their thoughts, but I don't dismiss anyone on he right as being stupid. George Bush simply doesn't present as a serious thinker. BUsh Doctrine is attributed to him. There is some thought there, agree or disagree

He is socially intelligent? Clearly and that's a legitimate form of intelligence. Connecting people is hard. He could clearly do it better than Gore, who could and did run circles around him intellectually. OPINION

And on that note...

Satire? No Way! That is pure hatred for the man shrouded in artistic expression.

SNL savaged Al Gore. Many thought the famous SNL debate skits played worse for him than they did for Bush. "Lock box" was as much a buzzphrase as "strategery."

You're reaching here.


Also, that is weak. AL Gore and his lock box on one show compared to hundreds of shows and references to GWB. Not the same. You are reaching hard.

As for your GWB diatribe, those are all your opinions, not facts. I'll add the opinion of someone who has spoken to him.

http://keithhennessey.com/2013/04/24/smarter/

Since you seem to put weight in those with direct access/interaction, do you have any reason to dismiss this person?

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-remorseful-ghostwriter

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7/21/2016  5:56 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Uptown wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:Meanwhile in Dwayne Wade's old town and still prehistoric raptor Bosh's current town...

Yeah...saw this. F'n unbelievable. I just don't understand the mindset of some people.

That image of him on the ground with his hands up before being shot is going to be all over the nation and world.


CashMoney...where are you. You're an officer...what would you do in that situation?

I was the Head Dean in my HS for a number of years, and I worked with cops all the time, and considered some my friends. I am not anti-police, and always point out that I wouldn't want to be living in a society without them, BUT this is simply getting out of hand.


This story is insane. You would think officers would err on the side of NOT shooting a guy with hands up and back on the ground, Yes even with cops being attacked the last 2 weeks. This is incredible. The officer should lose his gun and be suspended and re-trained.

This is nuts!! I can't fathom this at all. I have never owned a rifle or gun so excuse the naivety of my question.

If I'm still and pointing a rifle with my finger on the trigger, is it possible that the trigger is so sensitive that it might fire with slightest shake or movement of my finger or does one as Ive always assumed have to apply some force to pull it back to fire ??

Not looking to make any excuse , I just can't fathom how this man was lying there for awhile and then belatedly gets shot in the leg

Crazy

This what the shooting of police officers will do.
If you think they all are macho you are mistaken.
A lot of them are regular folks with their own psycho issues and fears.
And now some of them scared to death.
You do not want 600K people with a guns to be scared to death.
They are facing very unusual situations all the time and it is just a matter of time before they will pull the trigger.
The only way to prevent it is to disarm regular police officers as some countries did.
But in US this will make a lot of areas a no go war zones and create internal refuges problems.
Solution which makes things worth is not a solution.

The man was on the ground with his hands up....Nothing to fear here. Just goes to show you some police officers just dont value the lives of some black folks...Hence black lives matter...or should matter.

Obviously the officer was not acting as "normal" person.
The question is why?
You imply he is possibly racist to the extend he likes to shut black people.
Or he is a maniac or lunatic who likes to shut people or just unstable.
Or some secret KKK society is controlling police and directed then to shot black people.
What is you solution to fix it?
Revolution? Riot? Black Ranters patrols? Police screening with publicly assigned psychologist?
Replace police guns with wooden sticks?
Seriously we should look for the motives and for the solutions not just for emotional response.

I mean you preached that everyone is accountable for themselves. The actions of other men have nothing to do with him. The man had his hands up so he wouldn't get shot, explained that he was a behavior therapist in a group home, that all the patient had was a toy truck. Not only was he shot but placed in hand cuffs until medics arrived. What crime did he commit again? It was the patient that the police were called for in the first place.

On the bright side at least he was only shot in the leg. At least that's progress where they are aiming for non vital spots.

Not many condone the shooting of cops. So don't bother with the diversion tactic. Officer is supposed to be trained properly before put out in the streets. If any officer is too scared to handle a complying civilian with his hands up then maybe they shouldn't be out in the streets. Putting peoples lives at risk.

Strange , strange, strange. Violent crime in North Miami is one of the highest in the nation and tensions are running high after the ambushes but hard to fathom why any shots would be fired . Think Miami Police forces are diverse and not naive. Cops respond to a phone call about someone with a gun, understand arriving on high alert but ..

Suspect it's gonna be a frazzled cop who was on the verge of a mental breakdown

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7/21/2016  6:03 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-remorseful-ghostwriter

Was just reading the article. Some scary stuff...fits with his offer to give Kasich a lot of power as a VP.

For research, he planned to interview Trump on a series of Saturday mornings. The first session didn’t go as planned, however. After Trump gave him a tour of his marble-and-gilt apartment atop Trump Tower—which, to Schwartz, looked unlived-in, like the lobby of a hotel—they began to talk. But the discussion was soon hobbled by what Schwartz regards as one of Trump’s most essential characteristics: “He has no attention span.”

In those days, Schwartz recalls, Trump was generally affable with reporters, offering short, amusingly immodest quotes on demand. Trump had been forthcoming with him during the New York interview, but it hadn’t required much time or deep reflection. For the book, though, Trump needed to provide him with sustained, thoughtful recollections. He asked Trump to describe his childhood in detail. After sitting for only a few minutes in his suit and tie, Trump became impatient and irritable. He looked fidgety, Schwartz recalls, “like a kindergartner who can’t sit still in a classroom.” Even when Schwartz pressed him, Trump seemed to remember almost nothing of his youth, and made it clear that he was bored. Far more quickly than Schwartz had expected, Trump ended the meeting.

Week after week, the pattern repeated itself. Schwartz tried to limit the sessions to smaller increments of time, but Trump’s contributions remained oddly truncated and superficial.

“Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood,” Schwartz told me. “It’s implicit in a lot of what people write, but it’s never explicit—or, at least, I haven’t seen it. And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ” Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement. He regards Trump’s inability to concentrate as alarming in a Presidential candidate. “If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,” he said.

Schwartz believes that Trump’s short attention span has left him with “a stunning level of superficial knowledge and plain ignorance.” He said, “That’s why he so prefers TV as his first news source—information comes in easily digestible sound bites.” He added, “I seriously doubt that Trump has ever read a book straight through in his adult life.” During the eighteen months that he observed Trump, Schwartz said, he never saw a book on Trump’s desk, or elsewhere in his office, or in his apartment.

Other journalists have noticed Trump’s apparent lack of interest in reading. In May, Megyn Kelly, of Fox News, asked him to name his favorite book, other than the Bible or “The Art of the Deal.” Trump picked the 1929 novel “All Quiet on the Western Front.” Evidently suspecting that many years had elapsed since he’d read it, Kelly asked Trump to talk about the most recent book he’d read. “I read passages, I read areas, I’ll read chapters—I don’t have the time,” Trump said. As The New Republic noted recently, this attitude is not shared by most U.S. Presidents, including Barack Obama, a habitual consumer of current books, and George W. Bush, who reportedly engaged in a fiercely competitive book-reading contest with his political adviser Karl Rove.

This year, Schwartz has heard some argue that there must be a more thoughtful and nuanced version of Donald Trump that he is keeping in reserve for after the campaign. “There isn’t,” Schwartz insists. “There is no private Trump.” This is not a matter of hindsight. While working on “The Art of the Deal,” Schwartz kept a journal in which he expressed his amazement at Trump’s personality, writing that Trump seemed driven entirely by a need for public attention. “All he is is ‘stomp, stomp, stomp’—recognition from outside, bigger, more, a whole series of things that go nowhere in particular,” he observed, on October 21, 1986. But, as he noted in the journal a few days later, “the book will be far more successful if Trump is a sympathetic character—even weirdly sympathetic—than if he is just hateful or, worse yet, a one-dimensional blowhard.”

Schwartz reminded himself that he was being paid to tell Trump’s story, not his own, but the more he worked on the project the more disturbing he found it. In his journal, he describes the hours he spent with Trump as “draining” and “deadening.” Schwartz told me that Trump’s need for attention is “completely compulsive,” and that his bid for the Presidency is part of a continuum. “He’s managed to keep increasing the dose for forty years,” Schwartz said. After he’d spent decades as a tabloid titan, “the only thing left was running for President. If he could run for emperor of the world, he would.
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7/21/2016  6:13 PM
"I am self-funding my campaign and therefore I will not be controlled by the donors, special interests and lobbyists who have corrupted our politics and politicians for far too long," Trump said in a statement on Friday. "I have disavowed all Super PAC's, requested the return of all donations made to said PAC's, and I am calling on all presidential candidates to do the same. The character of our country is only as strong as our leaders."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/23/donald-trump-tells-super-pacs-supporting-his-candidacy-to-return-all-money-to-donors/

Oops...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/21/trump-reverses-his-opposition-to-super-pacs-and-is-now-willing-to-headline-events-for-a-big-money-group/

Earlier in this thread I was informed this was a bad thing...

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7/21/2016  6:18 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-remorseful-ghostwriter

Was just reading the article. Some scary stuff...fits with his offer to give Kasich a lot of power as a VP.

For research, he planned to interview Trump on a series of Saturday mornings. The first session didn’t go as planned, however. After Trump gave him a tour of his marble-and-gilt apartment atop Trump Tower—which, to Schwartz, looked unlived-in, like the lobby of a hotel—they began to talk. But the discussion was soon hobbled by what Schwartz regards as one of Trump’s most essential characteristics: “He has no attention span.”

In those days, Schwartz recalls, Trump was generally affable with reporters, offering short, amusingly immodest quotes on demand. Trump had been forthcoming with him during the New York interview, but it hadn’t required much time or deep reflection. For the book, though, Trump needed to provide him with sustained, thoughtful recollections. He asked Trump to describe his childhood in detail. After sitting for only a few minutes in his suit and tie, Trump became impatient and irritable. He looked fidgety, Schwartz recalls, “like a kindergartner who can’t sit still in a classroom.” Even when Schwartz pressed him, Trump seemed to remember almost nothing of his youth, and made it clear that he was bored. Far more quickly than Schwartz had expected, Trump ended the meeting.

Week after week, the pattern repeated itself. Schwartz tried to limit the sessions to smaller increments of time, but Trump’s contributions remained oddly truncated and superficial.

“Trump has been written about a thousand ways from Sunday, but this fundamental aspect of who he is doesn’t seem to be fully understood,” Schwartz told me. “It’s implicit in a lot of what people write, but it’s never explicit—or, at least, I haven’t seen it. And that is that it’s impossible to keep him focussed on any topic, other than his own self-aggrandizement, for more than a few minutes, and even then . . . ” Schwartz trailed off, shaking his head in amazement. He regards Trump’s inability to concentrate as alarming in a Presidential candidate. “If he had to be briefed on a crisis in the Situation Room, it’s impossible to imagine him paying attention over a long period of time,” he said.

Schwartz believes that Trump’s short attention span has left him with “a stunning level of superficial knowledge and plain ignorance.” He said, “That’s why he so prefers TV as his first news source—information comes in easily digestible sound bites.” He added, “I seriously doubt that Trump has ever read a book straight through in his adult life.” During the eighteen months that he observed Trump, Schwartz said, he never saw a book on Trump’s desk, or elsewhere in his office, or in his apartment.

Other journalists have noticed Trump’s apparent lack of interest in reading. In May, Megyn Kelly, of Fox News, asked him to name his favorite book, other than the Bible or “The Art of the Deal.” Trump picked the 1929 novel “All Quiet on the Western Front.” Evidently suspecting that many years had elapsed since he’d read it, Kelly asked Trump to talk about the most recent book he’d read. “I read passages, I read areas, I’ll read chapters—I don’t have the time,” Trump said. As The New Republic noted recently, this attitude is not shared by most U.S. Presidents, including Barack Obama, a habitual consumer of current books, and George W. Bush, who reportedly engaged in a fiercely competitive book-reading contest with his political adviser Karl Rove.

This year, Schwartz has heard some argue that there must be a more thoughtful and nuanced version of Donald Trump that he is keeping in reserve for after the campaign. “There isn’t,” Schwartz insists. “There is no private Trump.” This is not a matter of hindsight. While working on “The Art of the Deal,” Schwartz kept a journal in which he expressed his amazement at Trump’s personality, writing that Trump seemed driven entirely by a need for public attention. “All he is is ‘stomp, stomp, stomp’—recognition from outside, bigger, more, a whole series of things that go nowhere in particular,” he observed, on October 21, 1986. But, as he noted in the journal a few days later, “the book will be far more successful if Trump is a sympathetic character—even weirdly sympathetic—than if he is just hateful or, worse yet, a one-dimensional blowhard.”

Schwartz reminded himself that he was being paid to tell Trump’s story, not his own, but the more he worked on the project the more disturbing he found it. In his journal, he describes the hours he spent with Trump as “draining” and “deadening.” Schwartz told me that Trump’s need for attention is “completely compulsive,” and that his bid for the Presidency is part of a continuum. “He’s managed to keep increasing the dose for forty years,” Schwartz said. After he’d spent decades as a tabloid titan, “the only thing left was running for President. If he could run for emperor of the world, he would.

Inattentive, fidgety, easily distracted, difficulty with books? Sounds like he has A.D.D , links to some of the most creative, intelligent and successful people. The narcissism? Problably pathological due to upbringing and accomplishment

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