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Nalod wrote:TD with 18 pts!

Talk about adding insult to injury. They've been sitting Lin down in the 4th as part of their game plan this season I believe. Hard for Lin to call himself a "leader" when he's glued to the bench in crunch time.

not sure what you are watching as lin closed out the last few games including sealing the deal of their last win.. the rockets sat parsons, lin and aisk in the 4th because douglas, smith, especially were having career games and parsons was cold..

nice try tho...

Not the first time Lin has been benched in crunch time and the season just started.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

HOUSTON — It’s becoming a habit. For the second time in four games, Jeremy Lin spent the decisive minutes on the bench.

Talk about your Linsanity.

First he watched Toney Douglas try to stem the tide against Damian Lillard during overtime of a loss at Portland. Then at home on Wednesday night, Lin simply watched all but two minutes of the fourth quarter as Douglas lifted the Rockets to a 93-89 win over the Bulls.

“I’m happy because we lost three in a row and needed a win. That’s for sure,” Lin said.

Team camaraderie aside, the Rockets need their point guard of the present and future to be able to stay on the floor to run the offense down the stretch. But to do that he’s going to have to make significant defensive strides.

When the Blazers were making their comeback in the fourth quarter last week, Lillard drove around and shot over Lin as if he wasn’t there. At the start of the final period against the Bulls, it was Nate Robinson who got on a roll and devoured Lin. Acting Rockets coach Kelvin Sampson watched Robinson stick a 3-pointer in Lin’s face and then drove for a dazzling 360-degree layup when he had enough and turned to Douglas.

On one hand, it was Nate being Nate, taking off on one of those sprees that has occasionally made him a marvel in the league. On the other, it was Lin being Lin, bedeviled and bewildered defensively.

“You have to go with your instincts,” Sampson said. “You’re not always right with that stuff. But I felt like Toney gave us our best chance to win. Yeah, a much better matchup with Nate.”

Lin’s troubles putting the ball into the basket this season have been well known. He shot just 2-for-9 from the field against the Bulls and is now 42-for-126 (33.3 percent) on the season.

It’s one thing to try to straighten out a wayward shot. That’s an individual thing. But if he has to constantly be replaced for a capable stopper on defense, then he’s not going to be on the floor to play quarterback on offense and isn’t helping at either end of the floor at crunch time. The Rockets need a guy they invested $25 million in to be more than a part-time player and a late-game spectator.

“Yeah, I think that’s for reasons of defense,” Lin said. “I’m not really sure. Ask Coach. But I think it’s a defensive thing. I didn’t do a very good job of making Nate Robinson uncomfortable. I’ve got to do a better job.”

lin plays the majority of the late game minutes, but the rockets will go with a hot hand, I watch all of the game, guys like asik and parsons will also be on the bench late in games, but for the most part those guys are the finishers... not sure what you are trying to angle at here...

Again, I know you guys are seeking validation for letting lin, go, but look at this.. the guy that is playing behind lin, and so called "stealing his minutes" according to you is toney douglas.. a guy we pretty much gave away in a trade, and we are paying his salary.... plus camby has yet to give us any quality minutes... this kind of reminds me of the time when the mavs got nick van exel and he was taking some of nash's minutes... no knock on nash, this just gave the mavs another weapon, another look, even if it meant nash lost playing time closing out games.... took nothing away from nash at all... Lin is the rockets future.. watch the games...

if it is validation you seek, you might have to look elsewhere.. but hey carry on.. lin is the starter, the rockets love the kid, and it seems like they got another nice freebie in douglas

Validation? Don't need no stinkin' validation lol. I said at the time that I would have preferred Lin to Felton and was looking forward to Kidd mentoring him. Coming from someone who will not let even the slightest bit of criticism of Lin pass without a comment its funny that you are accusing anyone of having an agenda.

As for the comparison to Nash, maybe you should watch some games. Lin will never be anything close to Nash as a playmaker. So far Lin has not lived up to the hype. He might in the future, anything is possible, but until then maybe you should wait until he actually starts playing like the stud you think he is before dismissing any and all criticism of his play this season. Hell, even Lin admits he is a liability on defense at times. Why can't you?

who said I compared lin to nash? I compared their situations... again, you guys are soo stoked you can't understand what is going on in this discussion...I don't care about the lin criticism, I am not sure if you were looking for an angle or giving a fair criticism... you say you are trying to criticize him... my bad.. carry on....

Hell, even Lin admits he is a liability on defense at times. Why can't you?

why should I admit something I never denied? everyone can be a liablity on defense at any time.. similar to when our SF is guarding PF's

C'mon man, stoked is defending Lin at every turn. Of course you care about the Lin criticism or you wouldn't go to the lengths you do to defend him.

I was for the Melo trade from day one but when I believe he is fing up on the court I say so and that goes for any player or coach. If Lin was one of the best PGs in the league this season I would say so but he isn't, not even close. I don't say that with any joy, its just the truth.

I will only defend when I feel the criticism is not fair... again, when you start off by saying "adding insult to injury" it doesn't sound like a fair criticism is to follow.. or am I just imagining you said that... and why would you start off the post with that? maybe that will help clarify..

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

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tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:TD with 18 pts!

Talk about adding insult to injury. They've been sitting Lin down in the 4th as part of their game plan this season I believe. Hard for Lin to call himself a "leader" when he's glued to the bench in crunch time.

not sure what you are watching as lin closed out the last few games including sealing the deal of their last win.. the rockets sat parsons, lin and aisk in the 4th because douglas, smith, especially were having career games and parsons was cold..

nice try tho...

Not the first time Lin has been benched in crunch time and the season just started.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

HOUSTON — It’s becoming a habit. For the second time in four games, Jeremy Lin spent the decisive minutes on the bench.

Talk about your Linsanity.

First he watched Toney Douglas try to stem the tide against Damian Lillard during overtime of a loss at Portland. Then at home on Wednesday night, Lin simply watched all but two minutes of the fourth quarter as Douglas lifted the Rockets to a 93-89 win over the Bulls.

“I’m happy because we lost three in a row and needed a win. That’s for sure,” Lin said.

Team camaraderie aside, the Rockets need their point guard of the present and future to be able to stay on the floor to run the offense down the stretch. But to do that he’s going to have to make significant defensive strides.

When the Blazers were making their comeback in the fourth quarter last week, Lillard drove around and shot over Lin as if he wasn’t there. At the start of the final period against the Bulls, it was Nate Robinson who got on a roll and devoured Lin. Acting Rockets coach Kelvin Sampson watched Robinson stick a 3-pointer in Lin’s face and then drove for a dazzling 360-degree layup when he had enough and turned to Douglas.

On one hand, it was Nate being Nate, taking off on one of those sprees that has occasionally made him a marvel in the league. On the other, it was Lin being Lin, bedeviled and bewildered defensively.

“You have to go with your instincts,” Sampson said. “You’re not always right with that stuff. But I felt like Toney gave us our best chance to win. Yeah, a much better matchup with Nate.”

Lin’s troubles putting the ball into the basket this season have been well known. He shot just 2-for-9 from the field against the Bulls and is now 42-for-126 (33.3 percent) on the season.

It’s one thing to try to straighten out a wayward shot. That’s an individual thing. But if he has to constantly be replaced for a capable stopper on defense, then he’s not going to be on the floor to play quarterback on offense and isn’t helping at either end of the floor at crunch time. The Rockets need a guy they invested $25 million in to be more than a part-time player and a late-game spectator.

“Yeah, I think that’s for reasons of defense,” Lin said. “I’m not really sure. Ask Coach. But I think it’s a defensive thing. I didn’t do a very good job of making Nate Robinson uncomfortable. I’ve got to do a better job.”

lin plays the majority of the late game minutes, but the rockets will go with a hot hand, I watch all of the game, guys like asik and parsons will also be on the bench late in games, but for the most part those guys are the finishers... not sure what you are trying to angle at here...

Again, I know you guys are seeking validation for letting lin, go, but look at this.. the guy that is playing behind lin, and so called "stealing his minutes" according to you is toney douglas.. a guy we pretty much gave away in a trade, and we are paying his salary.... plus camby has yet to give us any quality minutes... this kind of reminds me of the time when the mavs got nick van exel and he was taking some of nash's minutes... no knock on nash, this just gave the mavs another weapon, another look, even if it meant nash lost playing time closing out games.... took nothing away from nash at all... Lin is the rockets future.. watch the games...

if it is validation you seek, you might have to look elsewhere.. but hey carry on.. lin is the starter, the rockets love the kid, and it seems like they got another nice freebie in douglas

Validation? Don't need no stinkin' validation lol. I said at the time that I would have preferred Lin to Felton and was looking forward to Kidd mentoring him. Coming from someone who will not let even the slightest bit of criticism of Lin pass without a comment its funny that you are accusing anyone of having an agenda.

As for the comparison to Nash, maybe you should watch some games. Lin will never be anything close to Nash as a playmaker. So far Lin has not lived up to the hype. He might in the future, anything is possible, but until then maybe you should wait until he actually starts playing like the stud you think he is before dismissing any and all criticism of his play this season. Hell, even Lin admits he is a liability on defense at times. Why can't you?

who said I compared lin to nash? I compared their situations... again, you guys are soo stoked you can't understand what is going on in this discussion...I don't care about the lin criticism, I am not sure if you were looking for an angle or giving a fair criticism... you say you are trying to criticize him... my bad.. carry on....

Hell, even Lin admits he is a liability on defense at times. Why can't you?

why should I admit something I never denied? everyone can be a liablity on defense at any time.. similar to when our SF is guarding PF's

C'mon man, stoked is defending Lin at every turn. Of course you care about the Lin criticism or you wouldn't go to the lengths you do to defend him.

I was for the Melo trade from day one but when I believe he is fing up on the court I say so and that goes for any player or coach. If Lin was one of the best PGs in the league this season I would say so but he isn't, not even close. I don't say that with any joy, its just the truth.

I will only defend when I feel the criticism is not fair... again, when you start off by saying "adding insult to injury" it doesn't sound like a fair criticism is to follow.. or am I just imagining you said that... and why would you start off the post with that? maybe that will help clarify..

Sure, TD was buried behind Lin and then Bibby on the bench in NY and statistically was one of the worst shooters in the league (if not the worst) last season. Now in Houston, TD is the go to guy in some games ahead of Lin in crunch time, mostly for his defense which was pretty bad last season.

I'm sure Lin is happy with any scenario that results in a win, but it has to smart a bit that its TD of all people who has been getting the call at times considering where they were last season.

ok, I see where you are going.. but hey, I think lin understands how they do things there, and it just hasn't been him, parsons, patterson, and asik have all sat, so he is not being singled out.. He plays well he plays late, end of story, so far lin has closed out 90% of their games, so I don't think this bothers him, moreso I think it motivates him, and from what I can see he likes TD, so I am sure he is happy to see douglas do well, and the team win.... Rockets win.. Lin wins, TD win...

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:TD with 18 pts!

Talk about adding insult to injury. They've been sitting Lin down in the 4th as part of their game plan this season I believe. Hard for Lin to call himself a "leader" when he's glued to the bench in crunch time.

not sure what you are watching as lin closed out the last few games including sealing the deal of their last win.. the rockets sat parsons, lin and aisk in the 4th because douglas, smith, especially were having career games and parsons was cold..

nice try tho...

Not the first time Lin has been benched in crunch time and the season just started.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

HOUSTON — It’s becoming a habit. For the second time in four games, Jeremy Lin spent the decisive minutes on the bench.

Talk about your Linsanity.

First he watched Toney Douglas try to stem the tide against Damian Lillard during overtime of a loss at Portland. Then at home on Wednesday night, Lin simply watched all but two minutes of the fourth quarter as Douglas lifted the Rockets to a 93-89 win over the Bulls.

“I’m happy because we lost three in a row and needed a win. That’s for sure,” Lin said.

Team camaraderie aside, the Rockets need their point guard of the present and future to be able to stay on the floor to run the offense down the stretch. But to do that he’s going to have to make significant defensive strides.

When the Blazers were making their comeback in the fourth quarter last week, Lillard drove around and shot over Lin as if he wasn’t there. At the start of the final period against the Bulls, it was Nate Robinson who got on a roll and devoured Lin. Acting Rockets coach Kelvin Sampson watched Robinson stick a 3-pointer in Lin’s face and then drove for a dazzling 360-degree layup when he had enough and turned to Douglas.

On one hand, it was Nate being Nate, taking off on one of those sprees that has occasionally made him a marvel in the league. On the other, it was Lin being Lin, bedeviled and bewildered defensively.

“You have to go with your instincts,” Sampson said. “You’re not always right with that stuff. But I felt like Toney gave us our best chance to win. Yeah, a much better matchup with Nate.”

Lin’s troubles putting the ball into the basket this season have been well known. He shot just 2-for-9 from the field against the Bulls and is now 42-for-126 (33.3 percent) on the season.

It’s one thing to try to straighten out a wayward shot. That’s an individual thing. But if he has to constantly be replaced for a capable stopper on defense, then he’s not going to be on the floor to play quarterback on offense and isn’t helping at either end of the floor at crunch time. The Rockets need a guy they invested $25 million in to be more than a part-time player and a late-game spectator.

“Yeah, I think that’s for reasons of defense,” Lin said. “I’m not really sure. Ask Coach. But I think it’s a defensive thing. I didn’t do a very good job of making Nate Robinson uncomfortable. I’ve got to do a better job.”

lin plays the majority of the late game minutes, but the rockets will go with a hot hand, I watch all of the game, guys like asik and parsons will also be on the bench late in games, but for the most part those guys are the finishers... not sure what you are trying to angle at here...

Again, I know you guys are seeking validation for letting lin, go, but look at this.. the guy that is playing behind lin, and so called "stealing his minutes" according to you is toney douglas.. a guy we pretty much gave away in a trade, and we are paying his salary.... plus camby has yet to give us any quality minutes... this kind of reminds me of the time when the mavs got nick van exel and he was taking some of nash's minutes... no knock on nash, this just gave the mavs another weapon, another look, even if it meant nash lost playing time closing out games.... took nothing away from nash at all... Lin is the rockets future.. watch the games...

if it is validation you seek, you might have to look elsewhere.. but hey carry on.. lin is the starter, the rockets love the kid, and it seems like they got another nice freebie in douglas

Validation? Don't need no stinkin' validation lol. I said at the time that I would have preferred Lin to Felton and was looking forward to Kidd mentoring him. Coming from someone who will not let even the slightest bit of criticism of Lin pass without a comment its funny that you are accusing anyone of having an agenda.

As for the comparison to Nash, maybe you should watch some games. Lin will never be anything close to Nash as a playmaker. So far Lin has not lived up to the hype. He might in the future, anything is possible, but until then maybe you should wait until he actually starts playing like the stud you think he is before dismissing any and all criticism of his play this season. Hell, even Lin admits he is a liability on defense at times. Why can't you?

who said I compared lin to nash? I compared their situations... again, you guys are soo stoked you can't understand what is going on in this discussion...I don't care about the lin criticism, I am not sure if you were looking for an angle or giving a fair criticism... you say you are trying to criticize him... my bad.. carry on....

Hell, even Lin admits he is a liability on defense at times. Why can't you?

why should I admit something I never denied? everyone can be a liablity on defense at any time.. similar to when our SF is guarding PF's

C'mon man, stoked is defending Lin at every turn. Of course you care about the Lin criticism or you wouldn't go to the lengths you do to defend him.

I was for the Melo trade from day one but when I believe he is fing up on the court I say so and that goes for any player or coach. If Lin was one of the best PGs in the league this season I would say so but he isn't, not even close. I don't say that with any joy, its just the truth.

I will only defend when I feel the criticism is not fair... again, when you start off by saying "adding insult to injury" it doesn't sound like a fair criticism is to follow.. or am I just imagining you said that... and why would you start off the post with that? maybe that will help clarify..

Sure, TD was buried behind Lin and then Bibby on the bench in NY and statistically was one of the worst shooters in the league (if not the worst) last season. Now in Houston, TD is the go to guy in some games ahead of Lin in crunch time, mostly for his defense which was pretty bad last season.

I'm sure Lin is happy with any scenario that results in a win, but it has to smart a bit that its TD of all people who has been getting the call at times considering where they were last season.

Perhaps his humble nature and 25mil contract gives him reason to chill a bit and work on his deficits without "Smarting" too bad. He'll have plenty of opportunity to become a finisher. In the times that were "LinSane" he showed the clutch gene and the stones to use it.

TD brings better on ball defense and for now his three is dropping again. Lin having shot problems.

yea, I mentioned that asik sits late in some games as well, he needs to work on FT's..but they also take him out to get in quicker defenders... the rockets have a lot of interchangeable parts, I am so happy to see TD doing well, especially after he pretty much took blame for a ton of knick losses in which he played like 5 minutes.. LOL..

One of the most obliterated younguns to ever appear on our roster is now foisting his A game upon our Hall of Fame Saviour in Exile, and people take offense to the sighting.

And the man who appears as AntiMelo in the periodic table of elements actually gets benched because TD plays better defense on our own Nateatropia.

All that has to happen next is for Landry to go to Houston and block three of Lins shot attempts in a row. And that leads to another benching.

How many planets have to align and crash before you people get the background humor?

Problem is Kobe still wants to be the man.

gunsnewing wrote:Flop fines are a joke. Maybe next year we can start suspending these clowns

gunsnewing wrote:Man Jamal Crawford is having one hell of a year for the Clips!

Him and Zack were guys we had to let go of

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gunsnewing wrote:Man Jamal Crawford is having one hell of a year for the Clips!

Him and Zack were guys we had to let go of

How it work out when they were here?