tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:TD with 18 pts!

Talk about adding insult to injury. They've been sitting Lin down in the 4th as part of their game plan this season I believe. Hard for Lin to call himself a "leader" when he's glued to the bench in crunch time.

not sure what you are watching as lin closed out the last few games including sealing the deal of their last win.. the rockets sat parsons, lin and aisk in the 4th because douglas, smith, especially were having career games and parsons was cold..

nice try tho...

Not the first time Lin has been benched in crunch time and the season just started.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

HOUSTON — It’s becoming a habit. For the second time in four games, Jeremy Lin spent the decisive minutes on the bench.

Talk about your Linsanity.

First he watched Toney Douglas try to stem the tide against Damian Lillard during overtime of a loss at Portland. Then at home on Wednesday night, Lin simply watched all but two minutes of the fourth quarter as Douglas lifted the Rockets to a 93-89 win over the Bulls.

“I’m happy because we lost three in a row and needed a win. That’s for sure,” Lin said.

Team camaraderie aside, the Rockets need their point guard of the present and future to be able to stay on the floor to run the offense down the stretch. But to do that he’s going to have to make significant defensive strides.

When the Blazers were making their comeback in the fourth quarter last week, Lillard drove around and shot over Lin as if he wasn’t there. At the start of the final period against the Bulls, it was Nate Robinson who got on a roll and devoured Lin. Acting Rockets coach Kelvin Sampson watched Robinson stick a 3-pointer in Lin’s face and then drove for a dazzling 360-degree layup when he had enough and turned to Douglas.

On one hand, it was Nate being Nate, taking off on one of those sprees that has occasionally made him a marvel in the league. On the other, it was Lin being Lin, bedeviled and bewildered defensively.

“You have to go with your instincts,” Sampson said. “You’re not always right with that stuff. But I felt like Toney gave us our best chance to win. Yeah, a much better matchup with Nate.”

Lin’s troubles putting the ball into the basket this season have been well known. He shot just 2-for-9 from the field against the Bulls and is now 42-for-126 (33.3 percent) on the season.

It’s one thing to try to straighten out a wayward shot. That’s an individual thing. But if he has to constantly be replaced for a capable stopper on defense, then he’s not going to be on the floor to play quarterback on offense and isn’t helping at either end of the floor at crunch time. The Rockets need a guy they invested $25 million in to be more than a part-time player and a late-game spectator.

“Yeah, I think that’s for reasons of defense,” Lin said. “I’m not really sure. Ask Coach. But I think it’s a defensive thing. I didn’t do a very good job of making Nate Robinson uncomfortable. I’ve got to do a better job.”

I realize its not part of "believing" but Im happy he is playing well. If his contract was not in place he might have lost his spot in the NBA. New CBA has guys on the outside looking in or more looking overseas. Hopefully he is proving himself to get another contract somewhere.

I like my exknicks too!

I wonder if after just one month of the season Morey is considering Lin a bust and regrets the contract?

Nalod wrote:does TD's good play now absolve the decision to play him last year? Obvious his surgery had him playing at less then full and maybe his head got wrong.

I realize its not part of "believing" but Im happy he is playing well. If his contract was not in place he might have lost his spot in the NBA. New CBA has guys on the outside looking in or more looking overseas. Hopefully he is proving himself to get another contract somewhere.

I like my exknicks too!

I think it was more mental than anything else. He was jacking up one bad shot after another and not getting his teammates involved enough in the offense. That's why he was benched in favor of Bibby. I wish him well. You're right he might have just saved his NBA career.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:does TD's good play now absolve the decision to play him last year? Obvious his surgery had him playing at less then full and maybe his head got wrong.

I realize its not part of "believing" but Im happy he is playing well. If his contract was not in place he might have lost his spot in the NBA. New CBA has guys on the outside looking in or more looking overseas. Hopefully he is proving himself to get another contract somewhere.

I like my exknicks too!

I wonder if after just one month of the season Morey is considering Lin a bust and regrets the contract?

Probably.

At least your honest!

I try! Anytime your star point guard gets benched, there's second guessing involved.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:does TD's good play now absolve the decision to play him last year? Obvious his surgery had him playing at less then full and maybe his head got wrong.

I realize its not part of "believing" but Im happy he is playing well. If his contract was not in place he might have lost his spot in the NBA. New CBA has guys on the outside looking in or more looking overseas. Hopefully he is proving himself to get another contract somewhere.

I like my exknicks too!

I wonder if after just one month of the season Morey is considering Lin a bust and regrets the contract?

Probably.

At least your honest!

I try! Anytime your star point guard gets benched, there's second guessing involved.

Fans want instant results but the reality is players need time. Linsanity was if anything an act of desperation with a coach whom had his two stars out and the season was slipping away. Linsanity was as impactful as 18-6 for the teams run to the playoffs. Lin was fed the ball and teams figured out how to stop it.

Im not watching enough Rockets games but from what I have seen last nite and few games seen they give the ball to Harden and thats how its going to be. Lin off the ball is not as effective as TD can be. TD is a good defender and his shot is coming back.

Lin is linconsistant.

It is interestng how his drives to the basket draw the weak side defender and the misses create put back pts for one of their bigs! That "hockey assist" is not going to show up but lin does well with it. Tyson feasted on those last year.

Im not that into Lin succeeding where Im going to study his tape and come up with things.

I just think fans are rush to judgement way quicker than the reality of how teams are managed. Fantasy leagues can do that.

If you give it to the second unit and they give it away, its never good.

I don't have a problem with it. Rockets trade put the roster in a bit of turmoil (not in a bad way) and with the head coach on sabbatical they are finding their way.

It was a good home win for them against a marquee team.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:does TD's good play now absolve the decision to play him last year? Obvious his surgery had him playing at less then full and maybe his head got wrong.

I realize its not part of "believing" but Im happy he is playing well. If his contract was not in place he might have lost his spot in the NBA. New CBA has guys on the outside looking in or more looking overseas. Hopefully he is proving himself to get another contract somewhere.

I like my exknicks too!

I wonder if after just one month of the season Morey is considering Lin a bust and regrets the contract?

Probably.

At least your honest!

I try! Anytime your star point guard gets benched, there's second guessing involved.

Fans want instant results but the reality is players need time. Linsanity was if anything an act of desperation with a coach whom had his two stars out and the season was slipping away. Linsanity was as impactful as 18-6 for the teams run to the playoffs. Lin was fed the ball and teams figured out how to stop it.

Im not watching enough Rockets games but from what I have seen last nite and few games seen they give the ball to Harden and thats how its going to be. Lin off the ball is not as effective as TD can be. TD is a good defender and his shot is coming back.

Lin is linconsistant.

It is interestng how his drives to the basket draw the weak side defender and the misses create put back pts for one of their bigs! That "hockey assist" is not going to show up but lin does well with it. Tyson feasted on those last year.

Im not that into Lin succeeding where Im going to study his tape and come up with things.

I just think fans are rush to judgement way quicker than the reality of how teams are managed. Fantasy leagues can do that.

I honestly don't understand all the Lin hate. I you truly look at his affect on the game basketball wise and not just the stats then you will understand that this young man is something special. I was toggling between the Rocket and Laker broadcast last night and the Laker announcers made a couple of comments that are note worthy.

1. Lin attracts a crowd. That is why the Rockets on Lin's drive always seem to get the offensive rebound for an easy putback.
2. If the Rocket bigs ever figure out how to run the PnR the Rockets will be even deadlier with Lin and Harden running the PnR.
3. Thank god for Dwight, Jordan Hill and Earl Clarke because Lin and Harden can beat their man whenever they want off the dribble.

I mean these are homer announcers from the other team that are seeing what this young man can do.

Lin is actually not inconsistent outside of his perimeter shooting. He has delivered in every other category.....but...a lot of fans really only look at point production. If you are not making your shots then you are considered a scrub.

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:TD with 18 pts!

Talk about adding insult to injury. They've been sitting Lin down in the 4th as part of their game plan this season I believe. Hard for Lin to call himself a "leader" when he's glued to the bench in crunch time.

not sure what you are watching as lin closed out the last few games including sealing the deal of their last win.. the rockets sat parsons, lin and aisk in the 4th because douglas, smith, especially were having career games and parsons was cold..

nice try tho...

Not the first time Lin has been benched in crunch time and the season just started.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/23/coach-says-jeremy-lin-benched-in-fourth-because-of-defense/

HOUSTON — It’s becoming a habit. For the second time in four games, Jeremy Lin spent the decisive minutes on the bench.

Talk about your Linsanity.

First he watched Toney Douglas try to stem the tide against Damian Lillard during overtime of a loss at Portland. Then at home on Wednesday night, Lin simply watched all but two minutes of the fourth quarter as Douglas lifted the Rockets to a 93-89 win over the Bulls.

“I’m happy because we lost three in a row and needed a win. That’s for sure,” Lin said.

Team camaraderie aside, the Rockets need their point guard of the present and future to be able to stay on the floor to run the offense down the stretch. But to do that he’s going to have to make significant defensive strides.

When the Blazers were making their comeback in the fourth quarter last week, Lillard drove around and shot over Lin as if he wasn’t there. At the start of the final period against the Bulls, it was Nate Robinson who got on a roll and devoured Lin. Acting Rockets coach Kelvin Sampson watched Robinson stick a 3-pointer in Lin’s face and then drove for a dazzling 360-degree layup when he had enough and turned to Douglas.

On one hand, it was Nate being Nate, taking off on one of those sprees that has occasionally made him a marvel in the league. On the other, it was Lin being Lin, bedeviled and bewildered defensively.

“You have to go with your instincts,” Sampson said. “You’re not always right with that stuff. But I felt like Toney gave us our best chance to win. Yeah, a much better matchup with Nate.”

Lin’s troubles putting the ball into the basket this season have been well known. He shot just 2-for-9 from the field against the Bulls and is now 42-for-126 (33.3 percent) on the season.

It’s one thing to try to straighten out a wayward shot. That’s an individual thing. But if he has to constantly be replaced for a capable stopper on defense, then he’s not going to be on the floor to play quarterback on offense and isn’t helping at either end of the floor at crunch time. The Rockets need a guy they invested $25 million in to be more than a part-time player and a late-game spectator.

“Yeah, I think that’s for reasons of defense,” Lin said. “I’m not really sure. Ask Coach. But I think it’s a defensive thing. I didn’t do a very good job of making Nate Robinson uncomfortable. I’ve got to do a better job.”

lin plays the majority of the late game minutes, but the rockets will go with a hot hand, I watch all of the game, guys like asik and parsons will also be on the bench late in games, but for the most part those guys are the finishers... not sure what you are trying to angle at here...

Again, I know you guys are seeking validation for letting lin, go, but look at this.. the guy that is playing behind lin, and so called "stealing his minutes" according to you is toney douglas.. a guy we pretty much gave away in a trade, and we are paying his salary.... plus camby has yet to give us any quality minutes... this kind of reminds me of the time when the mavs got nick van exel and he was taking some of nash's minutes... no knock on nash, this just gave the mavs another weapon, another look, even if it meant nash lost playing time closing out games.... took nothing away from nash at all... Lin is the rockets future.. watch the games...

if it is validation you seek, you might have to look elsewhere.. but hey carry on.. lin is the starter, the rockets love the kid, and it seems like they got another nice freebie in douglas

NYKBocker wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:does TD's good play now absolve the decision to play him last year? Obvious his surgery had him playing at less then full and maybe his head got wrong.

I realize its not part of "believing" but Im happy he is playing well. If his contract was not in place he might have lost his spot in the NBA. New CBA has guys on the outside looking in or more looking overseas. Hopefully he is proving himself to get another contract somewhere.

I like my exknicks too!

I wonder if after just one month of the season Morey is considering Lin a bust and regrets the contract?

Probably.

At least your honest!

I try! Anytime your star point guard gets benched, there's second guessing involved.

Fans want instant results but the reality is players need time. Linsanity was if anything an act of desperation with a coach whom had his two stars out and the season was slipping away. Linsanity was as impactful as 18-6 for the teams run to the playoffs. Lin was fed the ball and teams figured out how to stop it.

Im not watching enough Rockets games but from what I have seen last nite and few games seen they give the ball to Harden and thats how its going to be. Lin off the ball is not as effective as TD can be. TD is a good defender and his shot is coming back.

Lin is linconsistant.

It is interestng how his drives to the basket draw the weak side defender and the misses create put back pts for one of their bigs! That "hockey assist" is not going to show up but lin does well with it. Tyson feasted on those last year.

Im not that into Lin succeeding where Im going to study his tape and come up with things.

I just think fans are rush to judgement way quicker than the reality of how teams are managed. Fantasy leagues can do that.

I honestly don't understand all the Lin hate. I you truly look at his affect on the game basketball wise and not just the stats then you will understand that this young man is something special. I was toggling between the Rocket and Laker broadcast last night and the Laker announcers made a couple of comments that are note worthy.

1. Lin attracts a crowd. That is why the Rockets on Lin's drive always seem to get the offensive rebound for an easy putback.
2. If the Rocket bigs ever figure out how to run the PnR the Rockets will be even deadlier with Lin and Harden running the PnR.
3. Thank god for Dwight, Jordan Hill and Earl Clarke because Lin and Harden can beat their man whenever they want off the dribble.

I mean these are homer announcers from the other team that are seeing what this young man can do.

Lin is actually not inconsistent outside of his perimeter shooting. He has delivered in every other category.....but...a lot of fans really only look at point production. If you are not making your shots then you are considered a scrub.

yea, I actually watch all of the games, and as you said, outside of his incosistent perimter thooting, lin does everything else you want from your PG.. assist are there, he also rebounds and comes up with a nice number of steals... but what he does is get into the lane a lot, this opens things up for the shooters and rebounders.... if you watch the rockets, outside of lin they have two other starters who are very capable of creating for themselves and others.. parsons and harden... The need for some around here to have lin fail is mind boggling..

Kobe jacking 31 shots to score 39 points. If that was Melo......

Lakers traded Bynum straight up for Howard. When was the last time Bynum was healthh to start the season? Lakers losing is now all Howards fault? Im very confused.

AnubisADL wrote:Lol at dudes hating on Dwight Howard. Dude is a beast.

Kobe jacking 31 shots to score 39 points. If that was Melo......

Lakers traded Bynum straight up for Howard. When was the last time Bynum was healthh to start the season? Lakers losing is now all Howards fault? Im very confused.

yea, Dwight is a beast, he is also a fool, and he can't hit Ft's.. that is a problem..

Kobe taking 31 shots is ridiculous, and he shouldn't... if that was melo he would get roasted even more... kobe has 5 rings, so he gets rope.. melo has nothing, not even a finals appearance, so he gets killed... just the way it goes...

lakers losing is not Howards fault.. but howard missing FT's that hurt his team chances of winning, is his fault...