Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Marv:

[quote]Posted by gunsnewing:


he's 17 yrs old with less glaring weaknesses than Frye. I rather take a chance on a 7-1 280 C with weaknesses than a 6'10 1/2" 240 jumpshooting C who showed very little strength(a key aspect of being an NBA bigman) except when he played against weaker frontlines in a couple tournament games.

Guns!!

You're trying to give Briggs a run for his money on unsubstantiated hyperbole and the reverse-world equivalent of STARPHUCKING - we'll have to call it POTENTIAPHUCKING!!

I often disagree with Briggs but I wholeheartedly agree wih his view on Frye because Briggs isn't the only one down on Frye. Everyone who actually saw him more than twice in 3yrs will tell you that he is not worth pick 8 and will be crushed by NBA bigs. I mean the guy was crushed by college Centers for 3yrs except during a couple of tourney games against weak frontlines! man I'd rather draft Taft, Vazquez or Blatche at 8!

Of course Bynum has less glaring weaknesses than Frye - you've never seen Bynum play! Geez man.

And, I've gone over this in detail, but Frye outplayed Bogut and Diogu, so please show me the college center that crushed Frye? He also went to school for four years, which makes me wonder - did you even see Frye play?


thats complete and utter BS. If you are criticsing someone for not watching Bynum, fair enough, but to sit here stright and say Frye outplayed Bogut and Diogu when i watched their games on TV is out right BS. Channing Frye was not a match for either player. It doesnt matter if Frye scored some points against Utah, because it was the play 1-1 that was disturbing. Bogut and Diogu MANHANDLED Frye. If you are saying you watched those games, then you know this is true, dont go by stats, put backs and fast break dunks off steals arent posting up and socring on someone. And especially Digou who has chumped Channing frye around so badly the last few years he got the nickname french frye for the ASU fans--they bring pictures of fries to the game FRIES!

always nice when you help back someone up with facts, thanks briggs! arizona fans hate frye!

Posted by Marv:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

No one on this particular site talks about Bynum like he is just as much of a risk as any other highschool prospects and could go either way....easily. It's like few people here are willing to talk about this guy with any type of logic. The reality is he could be a Collins type of center at the end of the day. He may be Diop at the end of the day. Maybe he becomes an allstar in 4 years. Who knows? Lets say we pick the kid. Let's say he flops....big time. Don't act like it doesn't happen ALL OF THE TIME. The 2005 draft would be a total disaster. There are pros and cons with drafting Frye or anyone else at 8. But why fool yourselves by sitting here and talking about the BEST CASE SCENARIO with this kid constantly. With the exception of 'time', most people hear are looking at the pros only. You['re talking like he's a sure thing and it's only a matter of time before he explodes upon the scene anialating and detroying anything in his path to become the great Ewing like savior of a center that we have sorely needed. But what happens if he goes the other way? People will probably catch amnesia and Bynum's "upside" and call for Isiah's head because.....say it with me....WE DON'T HAVE A CENTER. Why not look at both sides of the coin?

Why sit around and talk about Bynums strengths (that most have never seen) and at the same time talk about every other player's weaknesses? This is the reason that Bynum has become damn near a super hero on this board.

Hey Monk - "no one?"

Posted by BRIGGS:

I'll just show an example of what I meant. AZ and ASU was on TV the last game of the regular season. AZ employs "double and triple teaming" of Diogu because they hav a bunch of inferior talents on the wing--stopping Diogu stops ASU, so teams use 2 and 3 defenders. I can illustrate on paper what I mean by Diogu pushing Frye into the hoop, but atleast you can get a boxscore that kind of tells the tale. This is a game I watched, in many cases going by a boxscore is misleading but in this case i back up visual fact with numbers

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/boxscore?gid=200503050018



this is AZ last game of the reg season THIS year.

Posted by djsunyc:

everything i read, see, and hear about frye tells me one thing...

FRYE = SERVICEABLE

is getting a SERVICEABLE player at #8 enough or should we be aiming higher?

Posted by djsunyc:

everything i read, see, and hear about frye tells me one thing...

FRYE = SERVICEABLE

is getting a SERVICEABLE player at #8 enough or should we be aiming higher?

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

No one on this particular site talks about Bynum like he is just as much of a risk as any other highschool prospects and could go either way....easily. It's like few people here are willing to talk about this guy with any type of logic. The reality is he could be a Collins type of center at the end of the day. He may be Diop at the end of the day. Maybe he becomes an allstar in 4 years. Who knows? Lets say we pick the kid. Let's say he flops....big time. Don't act like it doesn't happen ALL OF THE TIME. The 2005 draft would be a total disaster. There are pros and cons with drafting Frye or anyone else at 8. But why fool yourselves by sitting here and talking about the BEST CASE SCENARIO with this kid constantly. With the exception of 'time', most people hear are looking at the pros only. You['re talking like he's a sure thing and it's only a matter of time before he explodes upon the scene anialating and detroying anything in his path to become the great Ewing like savior of a center that we have sorely needed. But what happens if he goes the other way? People will probably catch amnesia and Bynum's "upside" and call for Isiah's head because.....say it with me....WE DON'T HAVE A CENTER. Why not look at both sides of the coin?

Why sit around and talk about Bynums strengths (that most have never seen) and at the same time talk about every other player's weaknesses? This is the reason that Bynum has become damn near a super hero on this board.

Posted by Redsoxrule:

Briggs,

I appreciate your posts and agree with much that you have said over my brief time here.

There's a guy named Bill James who is a baseball statistician and who has authored several books on the subject of baseball sabermetrics. He developed his own theories about players, performance, and park effects. As a result, he was hired by a major league baseball team to be a consultant.
I implore you to continue what you are doing and try to make your thoughts known to some higher ups. You have a great basketball mind and you belong with a professional organization...not on an internet chat site.
RSR

Posted by bigpimpin:

Posted by Redsoxrule:

Briggs,

I appreciate your posts and agree with much that you have said over my brief time here.

There's a guy named Bill James who is a baseball statistician and who has authored several books on the subject of baseball sabermetrics. He developed his own theories about players, performance, and park effects. As a result, he was hired by a major league baseball team to be a consultant.
I implore you to continue what you are doing and try to make your thoughts known to some higher ups. You have a great basketball mind and you belong with a professional organization...not on an internet chat site.
RSR

"Run Jesse, you can win!, man"