gasol would easily be the 2nd best player on the team if we get him but we can't be happy that we got him and call it a day.

he's just a piece, and a smaller piece than marbury.

with that said, there is no way in hell we should trade our #8 pick for such an expensive piece.

i wouldn't even move sweetney in a package for him.

why? b/c of the dollars and b/c i'm not sold on the idea that gasol is a starter for a championship level team. (dirk is better and i don't think you can win it all with him as your best player either b/c they don't make others better).

it's obvious that if memphis is looking to move gasol, it's purely a $$$'s move so we should have the upperhand on any trade negotiations and the #8 should not come up at all.

I rather keep the 8th pick and go after Z instead who is not much different than Pau

Why wouldn't you move Sweetney for the dude? look, the problem with newyorkers is that majority of you just don't know what the hell you want...Sweet and Gasol play the same position, keeping him would create nothing but a bigger problem. Trade Sweetney to get their 19th pick...After all, Gasol was a top 3 lottery pick...you are all willing to trade for an unproven Kwame Brown, but are stingy to trade for Gasol???? You are all sick...I would keep the 8th pick, but if they are willing to trade the 19th pick to us, I would trade the 8th in a heart beat...

Posted by djsunyc:

gasol would easily be the 2nd best player on the team if we get him but we can't be happy that we got him and call it a day.

he's just a piece, and a smaller piece than marbury.

with that said, there is no way in hell we should trade our #8 pick for such an expensive piece.

i wouldn't even move sweetney in a package for him.

why? b/c of the dollars and b/c i'm not sold on the idea that gasol is a starter for a championship level team. (dirk is better and i don't think you can win it all with him as your best player either b/c they don't make others better).

it's obvious that if memphis is looking to move gasol, it's purely a $$$'s move so we should have the upperhand on any trade negotiations and the #8 should not come up at all.

Posted by diderotn:

Why wouldn't you move Sweetney for the dude? look, the problem with newyorkers is that majority of you just don't know what the hell you want...Sweet and Gasol play the same position, keeping him would create nothing but a bigger problem. Trade Sweetney to get their 19th pick...After all, Gasol was a top 3 lottery pick...you are all willing to trade for an unproven Kwame Brown, but are stingy to trade for Gasol???? You are all sick...I would keep the 8th pick, but if they are willing to trade the 19th pick to us, I would trade the 8th in a heart beat...

Posted by djsunyc:

gasol would easily be the 2nd best player on the team if we get him but we can't be happy that we got him and call it a day.

he's just a piece, and a smaller piece than marbury.

with that said, there is no way in hell we should trade our #8 pick for such an expensive piece.

i wouldn't even move sweetney in a package for him.

why? b/c of the dollars and b/c i'm not sold on the idea that gasol is a starter for a championship level team. (dirk is better and i don't think you can win it all with him as your best player either b/c they don't make others better).

it's obvious that if memphis is looking to move gasol, it's purely a $$$'s move so we should have the upperhand on any trade negotiations and the #8 should not come up at all.

i wouldn't move sweetney b/c i like sweets game and i think he could definitely either start or be a very effective 6th man off the bench and a 1/4 the price. at the end of the day, i think their overall impact on the game could be similar. gasol is obviously better - i'm not stupid but i'm not a gasol fan and i don't want to pay him franchise $$$'s.

but if we do make a deal AND still have sweetney, then when you dump jyd and mo next summer, you still can have gasol start and sweets back up.

my vision for this team would be to rebuild via the draft and accumulate as many $5 or < players as possible between 21-25 years old.

According to RealGM.com, Gasol has a "Poison Pill Provision" type of contract. Here is their definition...

PPP = Poison Pill Provision. These players have had their Rookie Scale Contracts extended. This makes them very difficult to trade as their incoming trade value becomes an average of all of the remaining years left on the contract and extension

This tells me that Zeke knows what he is doing when his initial offer was low-balling the Logo.

Posted by diderotn:

Why wouldn't you move Sweetney for the dude? look, the problem with newyorkers is that majority of you just don't know what the hell you want...Sweet and Gasol play the same position, keeping him would create nothing but a bigger problem. Trade Sweetney to get their 19th pick...After all, Gasol was a top 3 lottery pick...you are all willing to trade for an unproven Kwame Brown, but are stingy to trade for Gasol???? You are all sick...I would keep the 8th pick, but if they are willing to trade the 19th pick to us, I would trade the 8th in a heart beat...

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You'd really be a fool not to. This guy is 24 freaking years old for christ's sake! Do you honestly believe he is not going to be a better player at 28 than he is now? And better for him means 20 and 10, and thats only a little better. He still has upside, and hes already pretty damn good.

I'd rather Big Z, because he's a center and with Pau we would still need one. BUt it could work with Pau, and he's only 24, in 5 years he'll be in his prime at 29-30, and he'll be expiring.

NY fans want perfection, and aren't realistic. Players aren't perfect, and if they are, they aren't available. He is available precisely because he isn't perfect, and isnt a franchise player. He wouldn't have to be with us, because Marbs is already a better player than him. However it would be nice to have a skilled, agile 7 footer around weho can score in so many ways.

But for what he brings on offense, I'd just as soon take SAR, who isn't young and has no upside, but does what he does, and we could use it, badly.

Sweets is a decent player but he's nothing special, imo. He will improve, but if he never gets his weight in check, he'll never be anything more than a 10 ppg player. His ceiling seems to be 15 ppg anyway.

Id definitely use Sweets to sweeten a deal.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I rather keep the 8th pick and go after Z instead who is not much different than Pau

Which players available at #8 have higher upsides than the player Gasol is now? Bynum *might*; I'm not sure anyone else does.

there you go, you answered your question, Bynum. I rather have a chance at drafting Bynum or settingly for a Wright or Webster than trading #8 for Gasol and his contract.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/07/2005 14:08:07]

I put might in asterisks, though, b/c I've never seen him play. That other article posted had Bynum's upside/highest potential as being a 14/9 player.

I like Bynum at the C, Pau as power forward with Malick and Mo backing up. Reezy at SF, with TT as back up.

I love how we negotiate as if all this really matters and know "who would be crazy to, or not to" accept certain deals.

If Memphis is willing to take a dump, and lose for a year and clear out cap space, they have a bright future. Sounds familiar!

Posted by Nalod:

If Memphis is willing to take a dump, and lose for a year and clear out cap space, they have a bright future. Sounds familiar!

Yup. Denver did it. Phoenix did it. Chicago did it. Blow it up and start anew. They had the NY Knicks to thank for re-building their teams.

Posted by MS:

I would do Kurt & the 30th for Bonzi and the 19th, let still give you a chance at a Blacte or Hakim Warrick after you draft Byrum

Warrick will be gone by 15.