Posted by BRIGGS:

Get T fidge out of here with the Josh Howard throw ins. I would bet that they would be looking for an abusive trade, a trade that wasnt a salary dump, but rather one that concnetrtaed on the weakness or need of the other team. I mean hll we gave Houston a second round pick for the right to take on 25 mm in salary with Taylor. They would probably try a btch slap that included pick 8 Ariza and Kurt Thomas.

Malik rose or KT--OK, but thats it.

Posted by fishmike:

Briggs... would you do this:
KT + Sweetney + pick 30 + pick 54 for Dampier + JHoward?

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

but the whole point is you are taking on $60 million to add a young all-star, who while good, will never take us to contending level and this isn't even counting the near max deal he will demand when he hits free agency. That's $120 million for Josh Howard and a center who couldn't guard Nazr's jock. That's not how you build a team.

Are you telling me you don't think Ariza could be the next Josh Howard in two more years? Howard was a four year college player, Ariza came out after one year.

Adding Dampier and Howard wouldn't make us contenders, but it would make our salary cap condition even worse than it already is.

edit: give me Bynum, Ariza and Hodge or even Frye Ariza and Hodge for a total of like $10 million a year, rather than Howard and Dampier for $20 million a year after Howard's rookie contract is up.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06/03/2005 15:47:04]

but you have to ask yourself this would rather have millions locked up at the PF positon or millions looked up at the elusive Center position and SG with Daniels.

Ariza will never be as good as Howard.

Posted by crzymdups:

the way to screw yourself when rebuilding is to say that "young player A" will never be as good "established player B".

I don't think there's anyway we can truly say WHAT Ariza's upside is yet. And remember Dallas' blowout of the Knicks in December, Howard scored 22pts, which at the time was his career high. Ariza already has a 20pt 10reb game. And he's three or four years younger than Howard. I think Ariza can be as good or better than Howard. I think it's more important to draft well to complement Ariza, Crawford and Marbury than to worry about guys who are already overpaid and continuing this salary adding cycle.

Look at it like this: four years ago, would you have believed that LArry Hughes would be one of the most versatile guards in the league? No. He was being derided for many of the same things Crawford is now. Who's to say Crawford can't develop the way Hughes has?

I think you have to acquire talent through the draft, because you are ALWAYS going to overpay in a trade when you are trying to acquire an established player. By smart drafting, you can get established players and keep those other assets. This team needs assets. Dampier is too old to be an asset, especially at his cost. He's a player a team ALMOST there COULD take a chance on. Dallas did and now they are f**ked.

Posted by fishmike:

how did Ariza get into this? I'm looking for an athletic/explosive wing to put WITH Ariza. I want 2 long athletic wing players like Josh Howard and Ariza. Daniels would be nice as well. I want two playmakers, Marbury and Crawford *might* be those guys. I want two versatile athletic fowards. We have none of those.