one thing you can say about isiah is that he's aggressive.

dj - no doubt. Just Like a point guard pushing the ball upcourt, Isiah is dead serious about pushing this franchise into the future.

Given the roster he started with.... ClarenceWeatherspoon, Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Chollie Ward, Dikembe Mutombo...... how can anyone sit back and complain?

How can anyone NOT give props for adding TWO first round picks from dreck?

Forget the Salary Cap!

We don't care about no steenkin' cap!

Will the salary cap make one BIT of difference in your life? or the fure of the Knicks if those players paid for CAN'T play?

Who would REALLY rather be a team with plenty of Salary Cap like the Atlanta Hawks?

C'mon speak up.....

WHO WANTS TO BE THE ATLANTA HAWKS?

SFX: crickets

(I didn't think so)

How can anyone have fond memories of giving up Camby and Hilario for Antonio McDyess?

Oh yeah, are you gunna tune in tonight to see how Jackie Butler fills out his crisp new Knicks home uniform?

I just love that Isiah has a knack for developing talent. He's always talking about his rookie camps, took on the role of running the CBA. He's really into helping young players develop and that makes him a very special GM imo

If you guys feel good about this team, then there is nothing I can do to convnince you otherwise.

I'm just being realistic, you want to call that hating, whatever, not like I give a damn about the opinions of the likes of RVhoss, dido or bonn. It is suprising to see fishmike and guns be such homers, but I guess denail is one way to look at the mess that this team is.

Just ask yourselfs, maybe there is a reason this team, made of practically only IT's playes is so bad.

Maybe there is a reason Penny, TT, KT, Rose, and Mo Taylor are all here with huge money owed to them.

Maybe there is a reason we keep trading away picks every year. Do you realize that considering we traded a 2nd round pick to get Mohammed, we essentially traded two high 2nd rounders for two low 1st ronders, virutally the same picks?

But then again, if you say anything negative about this great team, you are a hater.

If being a hater means actually thinking for yourself, and not eating up all the drivel IT spews out, then hater I shall be.

it is like you have said "give Isiah the benefit of the doubt".

simrud, people are not being homers because they support good moves, they are just not being unreasonable like you are, you make comments that are so far to the left, just to accentuate how bad you feel things are and that is not fair. You say we trade away picks every year? what we traded a pick for marbury, a future pick and a second round pick and in the interim we gained 2 first round picks, why did you not mention that? I know why? everyone who reads your post knows why, and we also know why guys like penny are here, but after next year when penny's and TT's contracts are done, what will be your beef then? you act as if the knicks are the only team who have huge contracts, you harp on that as all haters do as if that is the only way to judge a team, if you look closely at what is going on you will see this team getting younger, and more talented, the end result will eventually be this team getting better.. You say KT, and Rose are owed Huge money, if that is Huge money, then what do you call money owed to guys like Grant hill? Chris webber? Huh? You say a team with IT's players are bad, well how about the warriors, the Hawks, Hornets, every team in the atlantic? what about those teams that are bad? is IT responsible for those also?

Simrud - go to a museum

Listen to some Duke Ellington... better still... some Thelonius Monk

You will understand things much better

Guaranteed

Posted by simrud:

If you guys feel good about this team, then there is nothing I can do to convnince you otherwise.

I'm just being realistic, you want to call that hating, whatever, not like I give a damn about the opinions of the likes of RVhoss, dido or bonn. It is suprising to see fishmike and guns be such homers, but I guess denail is one way to look at the mess that this team is.

Just ask yourselfs, maybe there is a reason this team, made of practically only IT's playes is so bad.

Maybe there is a reason Penny, TT, KT, Rose, and Mo Taylor are all here with huge money owed to them.

Maybe there is a reason we keep trading away picks every year. Do you realize that considering we traded a 2nd round pick to get Mohammed, we essentially traded two high 2nd rounders for two low 1st ronders, virutally the same picks?

But then again, if you say anything negative about this great team, you are a hater.

If being a hater means actually thinking for yourself, and not eating up all the drivel IT spews out, then hater I shall be.

Simrud, I understand do some degree what you are saying. There has been sone double-talk, some things that dont make sense. for examples, isiah when he was first hired, he basically said we were not going to rebuild through the draft, we went 29-24 added Craw, started 16-13, and then we are rebuilding through the draft.

Then we make a nice deal for Malik and two picks, but we then make a move for taylor and he cant even play, took on 14mm and gave them a pick for the trouble. So I can see where fans would see contradiction, like i do. Im just trying to be honest by syaing I think we shouldve waited on that Taylor thing and gone into offseason with more options open.

But, you have to take into account that ultimatley, isiah has also stocked us up with marbury Ariza and Craw. hes been pro-active trying to find other young players--i.e Johnson and now Butler who I feel will be a Knick for a LONg time, I feel like we just got a first round pick for nothing there. I think Malik is a solid pick because you need a COMBINATION of vets with younger players to win. I think Malik will show he is actually just as good or better of a player than nazr.

So while I hope we can slow down at times and think about some decisions--i.e Wilkins, taylor, Baker, Sundov, Brewer, we have to also consider with a little luck we could be good gain pretty soon with players that can stay together.

So while we can scream about moves like Taylor--i sure sht did, I feel that when things calm down, isiah needs a full 4 year time period to be judged. But I hope he can see why fans would be upset over Taylor. It does oooze of Laydumb, especially since the guy cant even play. I just dont think you take on that much salary for that player.

Posted by diderotn:

It will be good to see how Marburry sees our new additions as our leader. I personally think that he will work very well with Taylor and the new kid Butler. If Taylor can trim down to 240 which is very possible, and has enough floor time with Marburry the chemistry between the two will be a pleasant surprise. I think that Mo will be around for a while, because he and Isiah have a pretty good history with one another. Agwire has his work cut out for him, now he has three guys that he has to work with: Sweetn, Mo, and Butler....All three are very capable, I am curious to see which of the two will develop to be a star.

[Edited by - diderotn on 02/28/2005 13:03:54]

Dido, your postive attitude is a welcome bit of relief!

What ever planet your on, I want some perscribed also!

I have no Idea if Jackie looking like this player or that player has any substance or not, but I just like the idea of being bold enough to give this kid a chance!

Isiah might be adding dollars, but he is willing unlike not just layden, but years of GM's not even giving the time of day to any possible youth. He might not pan out, but its not from trying. He is kicking ass in the CBA at 19, and if it can translate to the next level, thats great.

Now if this kid is a worthy projoct, then we can trade up using sweets as some bait, and use Mo T. as our tanking fodder until all the new kids are ready. Jackie can get some minutes.

But we got to let contracts die out!

Its not a plan, but its a methoed of achieving. We are not privy to what his plans are, and perhaps nothing is written in stone.

I'd rather have this kid than a Jamal Sampson who is not working hard at the NBA level. With this season left, and summer league, we can look at Jackie pretty good.

I am optomistic when IT does this kind of stuff. It might not yield anything, but it statistically increases our chances!