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fishmike
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2/25/2005  2:04 PM
would you still draft Sheldon Williams?
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2/25/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

Where's Bonn and his expiring contracts? If they are so valuable why didnt we keep Moochie and Vin for the offseason? Surely we could net a better player with the golden expiring deals? No?

this is what really irks me...we used similar expiring deals this past offseason to get jamal crawford. was mo taylor the best option??!?!?!??!

suns didn't want marbury - we took him
nobody really wanted crawford - we took him
spurs didn't want rose - we took him
houston didn't want mo - we took him

and it's not like they're manageable contracts. they're all HUGE deals...i'm so confused.

I think we got really lucky with the Jamal trade. his value was really low with the Bulls. There will be no Jamal Crawford out there this year unless you consider sprewell or earl boykins could pickups lol Taylor will definitely get us a good player at almost 10mil in 2006
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2/25/2005  4:02 PM
Posted by fishmike:

would you still draft Sheldon Williams?
Nope. Bogut Williams Gay
If not lottery
For me at this point it's either Chris Taft#1A or Guilermo Diaz#1B with a light outside chance of Andrew Bynum, but I hope he goes to school.

2nd pick, its hard to determine at this point--looking for slippage here




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fishmike
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2/25/2005  4:22 PM
Gay would be a freakin dream. Obviously Bogut first, but getting a versatile 2/3 like Gay could give us a good shot to do something like Seattle has done. Put 3 solid perimeter playmakers about a bunch of blue collar guys that will get the ball. Marbury/Crawford/Ariza/Gay is a nice 1/2/3 punch. Sprinkle in some Penny/TT until they go bye bye.

Thats a decent place to start. Maybe you add a sparkplug Nate Robinson with that late #1 or the PG from Marquette that broke his wrist
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2/25/2005  4:29 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Gay would be a freakin dream. Obviously Bogut first, but getting a versatile 2/3 like Gay could give us a good shot to do something like Seattle has done. Put 3 solid perimeter playmakers about a bunch of blue collar guys that will get the ball. Marbury/Crawford/Ariza/Gay is a nice 1/2/3 punch. Sprinkle in some Penny/TT until they go bye bye.

Thats a decent place to start. Maybe you add a sparkplug Nate Robinson with that late #1 or the PG from Marquette that broke his wrist




If I got Taft first, Id offer the pick + Michael Sweetney to the Nets for pick 10 and select Diaz if I could. I need to get rid of some of these PF's. We just cant go forward with 5 PF's.
Im not interested in Nate Robinson at this point, I want lottery talents and Im willing to move Sweetney + the pick to get back up there.
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2/28/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:

its really weird. The trades together just dont make sense. One says we are building and looking to put a pipeline in place over the next 2 years. The other is taking any deal that gives us an upgrade, even if we dont need that player.

assuming we dont win the lottery our best bet is to probably draft a quality 3. Then maybe you can try to morph the team into something like what Seattle has.

Its hard to believe Isiah has a real plan when his moves just dont make sense. What happened to getting more athletic? Rose is a good tough guy, like a JYD with a post game, but Taylor is fat. Plain and simple. He's not athletic, doesnt play hard and he's fat.

Where's Bonn and his expiring contracts? If they are so valuable why didnt we keep Moochie and Vin for the offseason? Surely we could net a better player with the golden expiring deals? No?
To answer your question, I was away for the weekend.

One bad trade does not prove that all expiring contracts are useless. Expiring contracts helped us get Marbury and single-handedly gave us Crawford. Our 4 first round picks and about $80 mil in expiring contracts over the next 2 years should be huge trade assets. Time will prove one of us right. We'll have to wait and see.

Regarding the HOuston trade, I suspect that Isiah's reasoning was that Mo Taylor's expiring contract the year after next season would be more valuable than Moochie's and Baker's this year. (In fact, he mentioned in an interview that Mo's expiring contract would be a nice trade asset in his final year.) I already said I was against this move. I would have waited until the trade deadline next year to see if I could get anything better than Mo Taylor for Moochie and Baker. If I couldn't, then I would do the trade still. The worst thing that could happen would be to let an expiring contract expire, get nothing in return, and be about $55 mil instead of $60 mil over the cap.
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2/28/2005  4:03 PM
thats the most assanine and backwards thinking ever. We already have expiring deals. The only reason he said that is he had something on the table that feel through and he got stuck w/ Mo Taylor.

We have JYD that year for the same cash.

Please... tell me something that makes sense. You dont pay someone $9mm so their only value to you is so you can use them to pay someone else even more. Its retarded and if your buying that explanation I cant offer you the help you need.

Thats bizarro world economics, and its not like we are just overpaying for a player we had a real need for. That would have ben Dampier.

The best expiring contract deal was for a PG with a bad knee, bad back, uninsured contract and weight problem signed to max money. Hey.. I like Baron's game, but these expiring deals arent some uber asset... and by taking back JYD we set the Bulls up w/ $16mm in cap space for next year. By taking Penny back we allowed the Suns to sign Richardson and Nash. We did these teams favors and they are both in better shape because of it.

But whatever... I'm done with the discussion. You and Guns and whoever else can believe what you want, but god forbid we have a chance to trade that late #1 ans cash for a guy like Wilcox. I cant happen, and you know why? All our players make over $6mm so no deal.

Its a stupid way to structure a roster and all you guys say are things like "its not my money, I dont care."

It hurts us.. the bad contracts hurt because you have a roster of guys nobody wants.
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2/28/2005  4:06 PM
Maybe we can just agree to disagree and wait to see who turns out to be right? I was ready to do that a while ago actually.
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