Knixkik wrote:Tough loss. No big deal. Why didn’t Diawara play after the first 5 mins ? I missed the early part of the game.

Yeah I don’t get these Mo minutes either. He played like less than 1 min to open the second half and that was that

BlueKnickers wrote:This game highlights what I'll call:

The Curse of the Giveth/Taketh Player

of whom we have two specifically, KAT & Clarkson

KAT is the ultimate good and bad player, something every Knicks fan is all too familiar with with his stupid mistakes

Jordan Clarkson made so many mistakes defensively this game and some on offense too that it tends to negate his scoring off the bench tonight.

Neither player was helping us down the stretch other than a KAT putback, but overall they were getting scored on, leaving shooters wide open and getting called for dumb fouls

This is where I fault Brown. Perhaps you keep KAT on the floor, but it was very clear in the last 5-6 minutes of the game when he was our only big on the floor we were getting abused in the paint and Kornet was the superior center in the clutch. At that point, you either bring in Huk or sub out KAT and roll with Hukporti who was having a better game than KAT defensively and leave the scoring to the other Knicks.

But an even bigger criticism was Clarkson was a massive detriment down the stretch. I couldn't believe someone like McCullar wasn't in the game instead when we clearly were getting torched down the stretch. Lo and behold, McCullar enters the last minute and makes an incredible defensive play that could have led to a final shot attempt to tie the game.

We choked down the stretch and I think part of that was Brown choking and not making what looked like obvious defensive adjustments. Guys like Deuce and McCullar should have been in the game most of the 4th. They defend and can score.

Tonight I was thinking of Giannis and how much better we'd be with him instead of KAT. Sorry, but this game pushed me over the edge. I'm ready for the big trade now.

And I'm ready for McCullar to excel and take those key minutes away from Clarkson. He looks ready for prime time. Give him a long leash coach.

Yes and yes. Was gonna say the same. Especially after he left Champange open repeatedly

BlueKnickers wrote:This game highlights what I'll call:

The Curse of the Giveth/Taketh Player

of whom we have two specifically, KAT & Clarkson

KAT is the ultimate good and bad player, something every Knicks fan is all too familiar with with his stupid mistakes

Jordan Clarkson made so many mistakes defensively this game and some on offense too that it tends to negate his scoring off the bench tonight.

Neither player was helping us down the stretch other than a KAT putback, but overall they were getting scored on, leaving shooters wide open and getting called for dumb fouls

This is where I fault Brown. Perhaps you keep KAT on the floor, but it was very clear in the last 5-6 minutes of the game when he was our only big on the floor we were getting abused in the paint and Kornet was the superior center in the clutch. At that point, you either bring in Huk or sub out KAT and roll with Hukporti who was having a better game than KAT defensively and leave the scoring to the other Knicks.

But an even bigger criticism was Clarkson was a massive detriment down the stretch. I couldn't believe someone like McCullar wasn't in the game instead when we clearly were getting torched down the stretch. Lo and behold, McCullar enters the last minute and makes an incredible defensive play that could have led to a final shot attempt to tie the game.

We choked down the stretch and I think part of that was Brown choking and not making what looked like obvious defensive adjustments. Guys like Deuce and McCullar should have been in the game most of the 4th. They defend and can score.

Tonight I was thinking of Giannis and how much better we'd be with him instead of KAT. Sorry, but this game pushed me over the edge. I'm ready for the big trade now.

And I'm ready for McCullar to excel and take those key minutes away from Clarkson. He looks ready for prime time. Give him a long leash coach.

Loving McCullars minutes - maybe it's the toughness but more so it's nice to see a wing who can dribble and pass without falling down.

Kat - is SO FRUSTRATING...can leave you smiling and crying within 5 seconds.

He just can't NOT foul - he has to just commit lazy, stupid fouls. Also key point of game we had just made a big bucket and got a stop...momentum really leaning our way and Kat goofs around with ball at top of key only to have Fox steal it from behind -- starting Spurs comeback.

Wonder if there is a NON Giannis trade for Kat that Knicks would entertain? Something maybe where we net 2 solid (if not spectacular) players for Kat.

Not saying I want him traded - saying I wonder what Knicks management really thinks about Kat and winning a chip with him.

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:This game highlights what I'll call:

The Curse of the Giveth/Taketh Player

of whom we have two specifically, KAT & Clarkson

KAT is the ultimate good and bad player, something every Knicks fan is all too familiar with with his stupid mistakes

Jordan Clarkson made so many mistakes defensively this game and some on offense too that it tends to negate his scoring off the bench tonight.

Neither player was helping us down the stretch other than a KAT putback, but overall they were getting scored on, leaving shooters wide open and getting called for dumb fouls

This is where I fault Brown. Perhaps you keep KAT on the floor, but it was very clear in the last 5-6 minutes of the game when he was our only big on the floor we were getting abused in the paint and Kornet was the superior center in the clutch. At that point, you either bring in Huk or sub out KAT and roll with Hukporti who was having a better game than KAT defensively and leave the scoring to the other Knicks.

But an even bigger criticism was Clarkson was a massive detriment down the stretch. I couldn't believe someone like McCullar wasn't in the game instead when we clearly were getting torched down the stretch. Lo and behold, McCullar enters the last minute and makes an incredible defensive play that could have led to a final shot attempt to tie the game.

We choked down the stretch and I think part of that was Brown choking and not making what looked like obvious defensive adjustments. Guys like Deuce and McCullar should have been in the game most of the 4th. They defend and can score.

Tonight I was thinking of Giannis and how much better we'd be with him instead of KAT. Sorry, but this game pushed me over the edge. I'm ready for the big trade now.

And I'm ready for McCullar to excel and take those key minutes away from Clarkson. He looks ready for prime time. Give him a long leash coach.

We gave the ball away, played sloppy. Didn't box out at all,and when Bridges tried he got pushed into the ground and called for a foul. wtf. Lesson? When someone is on fire like that you gotta get glued to him. No reason why we couldn't make it at least a bit harder for Champagne

Brown's comments after the game really were about lack of D -- it's apparent.

I mean Kat/Jalen are giving piss poor defensive effort.

I'd also like to say for all of his greatness --- Jalen really does ignore Kat too much. Not making excuses for Kat but you see Kolek come in and there is an immediate uptick in Kat's touches and the teams seems to cook. I know we need Jalen heroics most nights but would be nice for him to show a little more attention to creating some easy looks for Kat. Kolek came right and in and almost immediately we have Kat rumbling down the lane to finish a pick/roll.

More worried about their defensive effort -- maybe it's just a regular season thing and they aren't going full effort but they should be.

BlueKnickers wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:This game highlights what I'll call:

The Curse of the Giveth/Taketh Player

of whom we have two specifically, KAT & Clarkson

KAT is the ultimate good and bad player, something every Knicks fan is all too familiar with with his stupid mistakes

Jordan Clarkson made so many mistakes defensively this game and some on offense too that it tends to negate his scoring off the bench tonight.

Neither player was helping us down the stretch other than a KAT putback, but overall they were getting scored on, leaving shooters wide open and getting called for dumb fouls

This is where I fault Brown. Perhaps you keep KAT on the floor, but it was very clear in the last 5-6 minutes of the game when he was our only big on the floor we were getting abused in the paint and Kornet was the superior center in the clutch. At that point, you either bring in Huk or sub out KAT and roll with Hukporti who was having a better game than KAT defensively and leave the scoring to the other Knicks.

But an even bigger criticism was Clarkson was a massive detriment down the stretch. I couldn't believe someone like McCullar wasn't in the game instead when we clearly were getting torched down the stretch. Lo and behold, McCullar enters the last minute and makes an incredible defensive play that could have led to a final shot attempt to tie the game.

We choked down the stretch and I think part of that was Brown choking and not making what looked like obvious defensive adjustments. Guys like Deuce and McCullar should have been in the game most of the 4th. They defend and can score.

Tonight I was thinking of Giannis and how much better we'd be with him instead of KAT. Sorry, but this game pushed me over the edge. I'm ready for the big trade now.

And I'm ready for McCullar to excel and take those key minutes away from Clarkson. He looks ready for prime time. Give him a long leash coach.

We gave the ball away, played sloppy. Didn't box out at all,and when Bridges tried he got pushed into the ground and called for a foul. wtf. Lesson? When someone is on fire like that you gotta get glued to him. No reason why we couldn't make it at least a bit harder for Champagne

You force him to pass off a few times instead of giving him so many open looks and you win the game. It was inexcusable

YES - totally agree on so many open Champagne looks -- really disgusted by it. Can't recall us giving 1 player so many open looks and especially a guy that is red hot. Plus Champagne wasn't even a dribble threat most of the night - just get up on him. On the 1 break where he did dribble Kolek back peddled to about 18 feet in, Champagne pulled up and hit the 3, Brown jumped off the bench with a timeout and ran towards Kolek with hands up asking what the hell are you doing backing off him at the 3.

Just dumb, lazy D by everyone.

LivingLegend wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:This game highlights what I'll call:

The Curse of the Giveth/Taketh Player

of whom we have two specifically, KAT & Clarkson

KAT is the ultimate good and bad player, something every Knicks fan is all too familiar with with his stupid mistakes

Jordan Clarkson made so many mistakes defensively this game and some on offense too that it tends to negate his scoring off the bench tonight.

Neither player was helping us down the stretch other than a KAT putback, but overall they were getting scored on, leaving shooters wide open and getting called for dumb fouls

This is where I fault Brown. Perhaps you keep KAT on the floor, but it was very clear in the last 5-6 minutes of the game when he was our only big on the floor we were getting abused in the paint and Kornet was the superior center in the clutch. At that point, you either bring in Huk or sub out KAT and roll with Hukporti who was having a better game than KAT defensively and leave the scoring to the other Knicks.

But an even bigger criticism was Clarkson was a massive detriment down the stretch. I couldn't believe someone like McCullar wasn't in the game instead when we clearly were getting torched down the stretch. Lo and behold, McCullar enters the last minute and makes an incredible defensive play that could have led to a final shot attempt to tie the game.

We choked down the stretch and I think part of that was Brown choking and not making what looked like obvious defensive adjustments. Guys like Deuce and McCullar should have been in the game most of the 4th. They defend and can score.

Tonight I was thinking of Giannis and how much better we'd be with him instead of KAT. Sorry, but this game pushed me over the edge. I'm ready for the big trade now.

And I'm ready for McCullar to excel and take those key minutes away from Clarkson. He looks ready for prime time. Give him a long leash coach.

Loving McCullars minutes - maybe it's the toughness but more so it's nice to see a wing who can dribble and pass without falling down.

Kat - is SO FRUSTRATING...can leave you smiling and crying within 5 seconds.

He just can't NOT foul - he has to just commit lazy, stupid fouls. Also key point of game we had just made a big bucket and got a stop...momentum really leaning our way and Kat goofs around with ball at top of key only to have Fox steal it from behind -- starting Spurs comeback.

Wonder if there is a NON Giannis trade for Kat that Knicks would entertain? Something maybe where we net 2 solid (if not spectacular) players for Kat.

Not saying I want him traded - saying I wonder what Knicks management really thinks about Kat and winning a chip with him.

If Towns learns not to make stupid silly fouls our chances of winning will go up exponentially. He has been going straight up when contesting recently. Also he stopped hooking the defender's arm when driving. Even the announcers noticed it

jskinny35 wrote:Would we be a better team if we somehow swapped KAT and filler for Myles Turner and Divencenzo? I get Turner is overpaid but he plays solid defense and shoots well enough from deep to continue our offensive spacing. Pretty sure Milw could send Portis or Kuzma to Minn if they can pair KAT with Giannis. Not worried about that pairing because they don't have enough guard play. Divencenzo coming back would give us more shooting and depth as well.

No

jskinny35 wrote:Would we be a better team if we somehow swapped KAT and filler for Myles Turner and Divencenzo? I get Turner is overpaid but he plays solid defense and shoots well enough from deep to continue our offensive spacing. Pretty sure Milw could send Portis or Kuzma to Minn if they can pair KAT with Giannis. Not worried about that pairing because they don't have enough guard play. Divencenzo coming back would give us more shooting and depth as well.

I'd rather explore a KAT for Sabonis deal.

jskinny35 wrote:Would we be a better team if we somehow swapped KAT and filler for Myles Turner and Divencenzo? I get Turner is overpaid but he plays solid defense and shoots well enough from deep to continue our offensive spacing. Pretty sure Milw could send Portis or Kuzma to Minn if they can pair KAT with Giannis. Not worried about that pairing because they don't have enough guard play. Divencenzo coming back would give us more shooting and depth as well.

I doubt that would happen because Giannis would have to feel this is a step back towards contention and I don't think it would be.

That said, yes, we'd be better defensively. We have the scoring already so losing KAT just means more for the rest of the squad. Scoring isn't our issue. Losing KAT wouldn't stop us from rolling offensively.

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Tough loss. No big deal. Why didn’t Diawara play after the first 5 mins ? I missed the early part of the game.

Yeah I don’t get these Mo minutes either. He played like less than 1 min to open the second half and that was that

Was he injured?

Seemed like the Spurs noticed something, they huddled quickly after a play, and thats when Brown made the swap.

BlueKnickers wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Would we be a better team if we somehow swapped KAT and filler for Myles Turner and Divencenzo? I get Turner is overpaid but he plays solid defense and shoots well enough from deep to continue our offensive spacing. Pretty sure Milw could send Portis or Kuzma to Minn if they can pair KAT with Giannis. Not worried about that pairing because they don't have enough guard play. Divencenzo coming back would give us more shooting and depth as well.

I doubt that would happen because Giannis would have to feel this is a step back towards contention and I don't think it would be.

That said, yes, we'd be better defensively. We have the scoring already so losing KAT just means more for the rest of the squad. Scoring isn't our issue. Losing KAT wouldn't stop us from rolling offensively.

More for JSkinny, what is "filler? Deuce? Mitch? BTW, DDV and Turner make 37m between them. THats not enough for KAT. Besides the money, thats not enough for KAT. Still, he is all NBA caliber!
I get Turner has length and blocks shots, but with KAT your Talking 24pts, 12 rebs and Myles is HALF of KAT totals. Half.

DDV does have a halo on him for good reason given he was here for one season and did really well.

You get into playoffs, I like us with Mitch and Kat vs. iHart/Chet if we get there. Also confident OG can contain Chet who is very improved from last years playoffs when he not 100%. Im not thinking beyond this seaosn BTW.