Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets not forget the Nets also play in NYC!
Sean Marks does have a talent for doing things one don't expect.
If Giannis wants to leave their mother too comes aboard?

Brooklyn does have the cap space and capital to attempt an quick build around Giannis. They would have about a year and a half to pull it off though before he just signs with the Knicks as a FA.

Brooklyn would also be a possible 3rd team option for KAT.

You may be right, but knicks really want to do that for two years and then sign a 32 year old? You think BKN does not have an extension waiting for him?

Again, its all just speculation. Personally I'd rather he be a Net then a Laker and I'd rather have a fun in division rivalry then just simple beat down of Nets. I don't hate the Nets. Im in the camp of NY first so if not Knicks, im sure as **** not pulling for Celtics! In fact if not knicks, i"d rather see Nets beat celtics anytime!!!! I don't live in NY now for a very long time so this inter borough thing don't bother me a bit.
I find far more enjoyment in my team winning then another losing.

Im not putting much intelectual capital to figure it all out. I like our team right now. Lord knows if Leon can figure a way to get Giannis here and contend I can imagine he'd do it.

Brooklyn most likely wouldn't pay the cost to obtain Giannis unless they had an extention agreement to begin with. And that cost will probably in the end would limit their capabilities to building a true contender looking at it deeper. They don't have any proven talent outside of Cam & MPjr. But they would want to keep them in order to have something to play with Giannis. Which means the amount of draft picks and prospects they will need to give up for Giannis will be like a decades worth.

The starphuch has blown up in Brooklyn's face 2 times in a row. They are better off just maintaining that slow rebuild loading up on prospects and captial as they form their core. With that said netting Towns in a three teams could make sense. He would be happy to stay and play long term in NY giving them some time to attempt to have a contender for his next contract.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:Lets not forget the Nets also play in NYC!
Sean Marks does have a talent for doing things one don't expect.
If Giannis wants to leave their mother too comes aboard?

Brooklyn does have the cap space and capital to attempt an quick build around Giannis. They would have about a year and a half to pull it off though before he just signs with the Knicks as a FA.

Brooklyn would also be a possible 3rd team option for KAT.

You may be right, but knicks really want to do that for two years and then sign a 32 year old? You think BKN does not have an extension waiting for him?

Again, its all just speculation. Personally I'd rather he be a Net then a Laker and I'd rather have a fun in division rivalry then just simple beat down of Nets. I don't hate the Nets. Im in the camp of NY first so if not Knicks, im sure as **** not pulling for Celtics! In fact if not knicks, i"d rather see Nets beat celtics anytime!!!! I don't live in NY now for a very long time so this inter borough thing don't bother me a bit.
I find far more enjoyment in my team winning then another losing.

Im not putting much intelectual capital to figure it all out. I like our team right now. Lord knows if Leon can figure a way to get Giannis here and contend I can imagine he'd do it.

Brooklyn most likely wouldn't pay the cost to obtain Giannis unless they had an extention agreement to begin with. And that cost will probably in the end would limit their capabilities to building a true contender looking at it deeper. They don't have any proven talent outside of Cam & MPjr. But they would want to keep them in order to have something to play with Giannis. Which means the amount of draft picks and prospects they will need to give up for Giannis will be like a decades worth.

The starphuch has blown up in Brooklyn's face 2 times in a row. They are better off just maintaining that slow rebuild loading up on prospects and captial as they form their core. With that said netting Towns in a three teams could make sense. He would be happy to stay and play long term in NY giving them some time to attempt to have a contender for his next contract.

Tsai did one vs Prohorov with Billy King as GM.
Nets did draft 5 players this past year in the first round. I could not tell you one single player but thats kind of something we don't see. Im not saying they have great value but strange things happen with draft picks. Giannis himself was 14th!
Player development is a fluid situation. Players don't always fit draft order in both directions so if anything its interesting as things go.
If Dadiet or Kolek can break thru that could changes things. That was a hope and not really panning out that way at the moment. But that don't mean forever.
All kinds of **** happebns. Brunson was a second round pick. Jalen Suggs was taken 5th!
Suggs is a good player, he just needs to play more games. In four years he has played 211 games.

In my mind you give Bucks a core of Mitch and OBI they are getting quality players. Im not saying thats straight up fair or but not many teams can make a deal like that and still have a contending team. Add Dadiet, a pick, and the Washington pick(s) and you get close. If they want to tank and take back pucks, well thats a differnt story.

Brunson
Mikal
Kat
Giannis

Im not loving Deuce (but not hating it) as a starting 2 or Josh........
I can't see trading Josh. Deuce has two more years on an insanely good contract. If he can take his game one more level up he both a great asset as a player or trade chip. Josh will be 31 this winter and his kamakaze/balls to the wall appraoch might start breaking him down? Fan Fav and a 'Nova guy so this is not easy think it thru.
Knicks have some chess pieces they can move. Maybe its KAT as the main trade draw and its OG who is the preferred third spoke that creates magic with Giannis. A Demon and a Freak!

As for Mike Brown, I always respected his intelligence and communication with public to represent his teams. NBA is a tough business and he was often in weird scenarios when dismissed. I was not calling for Thibs head so I don't see Mike as our savior, but it was a super solid hire as this dude is a quality coach and dude.

My hope like many of you is he elevates the team to the next level by seasons end. Injuries and competition always matter.

As for Giannis as a knick? One thing for sure is if you follow any of his quotes on "Hoops Hype" rumors he is saying about everything in a good way making for his eventual departure a smooth one. Thats my impression.

EwingsGlass wrote:I don’t want to trade Mikal or OG in a Giannis trade. I value their advanced stats way too highly. While not getting overly optimistic on Brown’s early playstyle, but I think that guys like Hart, OG and Bridges will thrive in this playstyle. Swing it and sling it. Make the ball movement put pressure on the defense. Let the mistakes define the shot. Get Hart on long rebounds. Use plays to get Brunson better opportunities. OG and Mikal are mismatches of wingspan. They just need to be coached.

I don’t want to pay the price for Giannis unless it makes sense for Brunson or KAT to go in the trade and I don’t really want to trade Brunson. I don’t want to reset the culture.

You could convince me that on advanced stats - with Malik Beasley still available - that Brogdon/ Bridges / OG / Giannis / KAT / Clarkson / Deuce / Beasley / Yabu / Huk beat our current roster and it might be right, but I think our guys have the right team attitude. Continuity here is meaningful.

The weakness I see in our current team is the defensive prowess of Brunson and KAT and the shooting skills of Hart and Robinson. Flaws for sure, but in the context of the team they work. I doubt anyone wants to face Wemby without MitchBeast. I doubt anyone wants to shag long rebounds on 40+ 3 attempts a night without Hart.

I think we will see KAT distributing out of the high post soon after the wings learn how to move without the ball.

It makes sense what we are seeing. I’m bought in.

We shouldn't have to. Towns is a quality asset that not many other teams can match to begin with.

EwingsGlass wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I don’t want to trade Mikal or OG in a Giannis trade. I value their advanced stats way too highly. While not getting overly optimistic on Brown’s early playstyle, but I think that guys like Hart, OG and Bridges will thrive in this playstyle. Swing it and sling it. Make the ball movement put pressure on the defense. Let the mistakes define the shot. Get Hart on long rebounds. Use plays to get Brunson better opportunities. OG and Mikal are mismatches of wingspan. They just need to be coached.

I don’t want to pay the price for Giannis unless it makes sense for Brunson or KAT to go in the trade and I don’t really want to trade Brunson. I don’t want to reset the culture.

You could convince me that on advanced stats - with Malik Beasley still available - that Brogdon/ Bridges / OG / Giannis / KAT / Clarkson / Deuce / Beasley / Yabu / Huk beat our current roster and it might be right, but I think our guys have the right team attitude. Continuity here is meaningful.

The weakness I see in our current team is the defensive prowess of Brunson and KAT and the shooting skills of Hart and Robinson. Flaws for sure, but in the context of the team they work. I doubt anyone wants to face Wemby without MitchBeast. I doubt anyone wants to shag long rebounds on 40+ 3 attempts a night without Hart.

I think we will see KAT distributing out of the high post soon after the wings learn how to move without the ball.

It makes sense what we are seeing. I’m bought in.

We shouldn't have to. Towns is a quality asset that not many other teams can match to begin with.

I mean the Giannis to the Spurs narrative is more compelling to me.

This, scarily, makes sense to me

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I don’t want to trade Mikal or OG in a Giannis trade. I value their advanced stats way too highly. While not getting overly optimistic on Brown’s early playstyle, but I think that guys like Hart, OG and Bridges will thrive in this playstyle. Swing it and sling it. Make the ball movement put pressure on the defense. Let the mistakes define the shot. Get Hart on long rebounds. Use plays to get Brunson better opportunities. OG and Mikal are mismatches of wingspan. They just need to be coached.

I don’t want to pay the price for Giannis unless it makes sense for Brunson or KAT to go in the trade and I don’t really want to trade Brunson. I don’t want to reset the culture.

You could convince me that on advanced stats - with Malik Beasley still available - that Brogdon/ Bridges / OG / Giannis / KAT / Clarkson / Deuce / Beasley / Yabu / Huk beat our current roster and it might be right, but I think our guys have the right team attitude. Continuity here is meaningful.

The weakness I see in our current team is the defensive prowess of Brunson and KAT and the shooting skills of Hart and Robinson. Flaws for sure, but in the context of the team they work. I doubt anyone wants to face Wemby without MitchBeast. I doubt anyone wants to shag long rebounds on 40+ 3 attempts a night without Hart.

I think we will see KAT distributing out of the high post soon after the wings learn how to move without the ball.

It makes sense what we are seeing. I’m bought in.

We shouldn't have to. Towns is a quality asset that not many other teams can match to begin with.

I mean the Giannis to the Spurs narrative is more compelling to me.

This, scarily, makes sense to me

At one point in the offseason possibilities of Wemby-Giannis-KD was circulating

newyorknewyork wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I don’t want to trade Mikal or OG in a Giannis trade. I value their advanced stats way too highly. While not getting overly optimistic on Brown’s early playstyle, but I think that guys like Hart, OG and Bridges will thrive in this playstyle. Swing it and sling it. Make the ball movement put pressure on the defense. Let the mistakes define the shot. Get Hart on long rebounds. Use plays to get Brunson better opportunities. OG and Mikal are mismatches of wingspan. They just need to be coached.

I don’t want to pay the price for Giannis unless it makes sense for Brunson or KAT to go in the trade and I don’t really want to trade Brunson. I don’t want to reset the culture.

You could convince me that on advanced stats - with Malik Beasley still available - that Brogdon/ Bridges / OG / Giannis / KAT / Clarkson / Deuce / Beasley / Yabu / Huk beat our current roster and it might be right, but I think our guys have the right team attitude. Continuity here is meaningful.

The weakness I see in our current team is the defensive prowess of Brunson and KAT and the shooting skills of Hart and Robinson. Flaws for sure, but in the context of the team they work. I doubt anyone wants to face Wemby without MitchBeast. I doubt anyone wants to shag long rebounds on 40+ 3 attempts a night without Hart.

I think we will see KAT distributing out of the high post soon after the wings learn how to move without the ball.

It makes sense what we are seeing. I’m bought in.

We shouldn't have to. Towns is a quality asset that not many other teams can match to begin with.

I mean the Giannis to the Spurs narrative is more compelling to me.

This, scarily, makes sense to me

At one point in the offseason possibilities of Wemby-Giannis-KD was circulating

Hadn't heard that and I don't think the Spurs could have pulled this off cause of the outgoing salaries needed for KD and Giannis but maybe I'm wrong on that.

When the De'Aaron Fox trade went down and then the extension that he got from the Spur, it didn't entirely make sense to me. But you do need talent at the salary level and age to trade for a mega star, and that piece fits going out starting this coming summer.

Dylan Harper will need some time but he'll eventually be the ball handler for Spurs ala Cade Cummingham prototype?

newyorknewyork wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I don’t want to trade Mikal or OG in a Giannis trade. I value their advanced stats way too highly. While not getting overly optimistic on Brown’s early playstyle, but I think that guys like Hart, OG and Bridges will thrive in this playstyle. Swing it and sling it. Make the ball movement put pressure on the defense. Let the mistakes define the shot. Get Hart on long rebounds. Use plays to get Brunson better opportunities. OG and Mikal are mismatches of wingspan. They just need to be coached.

I don’t want to pay the price for Giannis unless it makes sense for Brunson or KAT to go in the trade and I don’t really want to trade Brunson. I don’t want to reset the culture.

You could convince me that on advanced stats - with Malik Beasley still available - that Brogdon/ Bridges / OG / Giannis / KAT / Clarkson / Deuce / Beasley / Yabu / Huk beat our current roster and it might be right, but I think our guys have the right team attitude. Continuity here is meaningful.

The weakness I see in our current team is the defensive prowess of Brunson and KAT and the shooting skills of Hart and Robinson. Flaws for sure, but in the context of the team they work. I doubt anyone wants to face Wemby without MitchBeast. I doubt anyone wants to shag long rebounds on 40+ 3 attempts a night without Hart.

I think we will see KAT distributing out of the high post soon after the wings learn how to move without the ball.

It makes sense what we are seeing. I’m bought in.

We shouldn't have to. Towns is a quality asset that not many other teams can match to begin with.

Agree. Knicks can offer Towns, Deuce and other assets and/or future picks.

I get we live in a digital internet world now and market size shouldn’t matter but it still does. Geography matters too. That’s why Japanese superstars in baseball like Ohtani and Yamamoto want to play in LA. NY has the direct flights to Athens. You could pay to fly private from San Antonio to Athens but that’s an incredible waste of money.

There’s also Wall St which was part of why Durant’s personal manager sold him on going to New York. A couple big time hedge fund manager Knicks fans agree to help Giannis invest his money his money will be making money for him 30-40 years from now.