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8/9/2025  6:41 PM
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ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Been saying this about JB for a couple of years. Most took it as a put down but point was mostly that “True PG’s” are a dying breed. And that he has a sixth man mentality of focusing on scoring.

Funny thing is Simmons is probably closest out there to the old school mold.

I'd say Lonzo Ball,Giddy, Paul and Haliburton are the last men standing.

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8/9/2025  8:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/10/2025  3:44 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Been saying this about JB for a couple of years. Most took it as a put down but point was mostly that “True PG’s” are a dying breed. And that he has a sixth man mentality of focusing on scoring.

Funny thing is Simmons is probably closest out there to the old school mold.

I'd say Lonzo Ball,Giddy, Paul and Haliburton are the last men standing.

True. Was Talking about available FA’s.
But agree, those are in the mold. Would add Holiday, Conley and the two Jones to that list.

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8/10/2025  7:25 PM
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PassTheBall wrote:https://youtu.be/12CBzNkRDwc?feature=shared

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8/11/2025  7:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2025  8:00 PM
Just need to bring back Shamet. He was our best offensive bench player last season and probably like 4th or 5th best overall defensive player, starters or not
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ramtour420 wrote:Just need to bring back Shamet. He was our best offensive bench player last season and probably like 4th or 5th best overall defensive player, starters or not

Let's not overstate the case. He was good for about 12 of the 50 games he played last year. He's a streaky shooter with size limitations. I don't think he's crucial, but he's a decent option as this final signing. I like the effort he gave in the playoffs. During the season, despite his good effort, he was often overmatched as a defender as he's pretty small for a wing.

In any event, the Knicks don't need to make the veteran minimum signing till about 2 weeks into the season - they did something similar last year with Matt Ryan. Think that gives them slightly more breathing room under the second apron. Shamet himself was not signed till Mid-September last year. If we are signing a shooter for the final spot, it might make more sense to get Amir Coffey. He's bigger and shot a bit more consistently over the last 2 seasons than Shamet. Just a thought.

The good news at this point is that whomever they sign is likely the 10th player off the bench on Knicks as they are currently constituted.
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8/12/2025  9:26 AM
I see him as a back up 2. 6-5 with slight build but very good foot speed on defense. Clarkson gets hurt he could see minutes.
Took him a long time to get back where his shot was comfortable. This is a guy that creates a bit of space and has to get that shot up quickly.
Perhaps he can find a bit more money and a better potential role on another team? He is playing for his career and security like DDV was when we signed him. He needed more last year and was a shame he got hurt. With new coach perhaps its not happening here.
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8/12/2025  2:58 PM
Rounding out the staff.

https://nypost.com/2025/08/11/sports/knicks-hiring-t-j-saint-as-they-round-out-coaching-staff

Knicks hiring T.J. Saint as they round out coaching staff

The Knicks continue to round out their staff with the addition of T.J. Saint.

The news, reported by multiple outlets, has been confirmed by The Post.

Saint is expected to help newly hired head coach Mike Brown on the offensive end of the floor, after the latter had just added New Jersey native Chris Jent as de facto offensive coordinator.

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8/12/2025  4:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2025  4:21 PM
ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Rick is just mad he can’t buy hookers to try to entice college recruits anymore
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8/12/2025  4:20 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Been saying this about JB for a couple of years. Most took it as a put down but point was mostly that “True PG’s” are a dying breed. And that he has a sixth man mentality of focusing on scoring.

Funny thing is Simmons is probably closest out there to the old school mold.

JB averaged 7.3 assists per game last season. If he was a “true point guard” what would he average 14 assists per game?
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8/12/2025  5:59 PM
So I'm not clear on this - but I think we sign Shamet to a vet min. Sign Diawara to a 2nd round exception - that is the 14 required. Then we can give Mccullar a 2 way and this is where it gets murky. I think bc Diawara is a 2nd round exception we would have 1.7 mm of apron space. McCullar's 1 yr vet min is 2.1mm, but if we let 20-25 games pass - after that point we can convert his 2 way to a min deal and that would be pro-rated to under 1.7mm, so it could fit under the apron for the 15th player .

I think the above is possible, but not 100 pct sure.

Landry's vet min may be non-guaranteed again, so like last year, if he gets hurt in camp he can be cut, or if McCullar plays well he could beat him out
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8/12/2025  6:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2025  6:30 PM
VDesai wrote:So I'm not clear on this - but I think we sign Shamet to a vet min. Sign Diawara to a 2nd round exception - that is the 14 required. Then we can give Mccullar a 2 way and this is where it gets murky. I think bc Diawara is a 2nd round exception we would have 1.7 mm of apron space. McCullar's 1 yr vet min is 2.1mm, but if we let 20-25 games pass - after that point we can convert his 2 way to a min deal and that would be pro-rated to under 1.7mm, so it could fit under the apron for the 15th player .

I think the above is possible, but not 100 pct sure.

Landry's vet min may be non-guaranteed again, so like last year, if he gets hurt in camp he can be cut, or if McCullar plays well he could beat him out

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is how it unfolds, makes sense.

With Pate and Nnnnnnnnnaji as the other 2 ways?

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martin wrote:
VDesai wrote:So I'm not clear on this - but I think we sign Shamet to a vet min. Sign Diawara to a 2nd round exception - that is the 14 required. Then we can give Mccullar a 2 way and this is where it gets murky. I think bc Diawara is a 2nd round exception we would have 1.7 mm of apron space. McCullar's 1 yr vet min is 2.1mm, but if we let 20-25 games pass - after that point we can convert his 2 way to a min deal and that would be pro-rated to under 1.7mm, so it could fit under the apron for the 15th player .

I think the above is possible, but not 100 pct sure.

Landry's vet min may be non-guaranteed again, so like last year, if he gets hurt in camp he can be cut, or if McCullar plays well he could beat him out

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is how it unfolds, makes sense.

With Pate and Nnnnnnnnnaji as the other 2 ways?

Probably Pate. I think id stash Nnaji another year so we can use the 2nd round exception on him in a different season. Maybe you still can do that if he stays on a 2 way and never gets called up. The tules are complicated. We got ****ed on McCullar's salary bc he played like 4 games.
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8/12/2025  10:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2025  10:38 PM
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Been saying this about JB for a couple of years. Most took it as a put down but point was mostly that “True PG’s” are a dying breed. And that he has a sixth man mentality of focusing on scoring.

Funny thing is Simmons is probably closest out there to the old school mold.

JB averaged 7.3 assists per game last season. If he was a “true point guard” what would he average 14 assists per game?

Don’t think assist stats alone make someone a “True PG”?
Randle averaged 6 a few years ago. Far from a True PG.
Btw, Trae Young, who was shoot first, improved this aspect and averaged over 11 last year. .
JB’s assist stats from last year would be good enough to earn the classification if not for the fact we are all Knick fans and watched every game. We saw how JB was focused first on scoring. We see how many of his assists are not due to a focus on creating for others but mostly from passing to the many three point shooters we have.
And AGAIN, doesn’t mean JB is not good. He is elite. Just that he is a score first PG.
Think you can see a big difference watching guys like Chris Paul, Mike Conley, J Kidd, Nash or Halliburton. Those guys hovered around double digits on good years. But more than that they dribbled with purpose and to bring the defender to them so they can hit the open man. They were always looking for cutters and those coming off picks. Point is not that JB is not good or that he does not pass ever. Point is that it is scary how much better he would be and we would be if he did some of the things mentioned above.

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8/13/2025  1:45 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Been saying this about JB for a couple of years. Most took it as a put down but point was mostly that “True PG’s” are a dying breed. And that he has a sixth man mentality of focusing on scoring.

Funny thing is Simmons is probably closest out there to the old school mold.

JB averaged 7.3 assists per game last season. If he was a “true point guard” what would he average 14 assists per game?

Don’t think assist stats alone make someone a “True PG”?
Randle averaged 6 a few years ago. Far from a True PG.
Btw, Trae Young, who was shoot first, improved this aspect and averaged over 11 last year. .
JB’s assist stats from last year would be good enough to earn the classification if not for the fact we are all Knick fans and watched every game. We saw how JB was focused first on scoring. We see how many of his assists are not due to a focus on creating for others but mostly from passing to the many three point shooters we have.
And AGAIN, doesn’t mean JB is not good. He is elite. Just that he is a score first PG.
Think you can see a big difference watching guys like Chris Paul, Mike Conley, J Kidd, Nash or Halliburton. Those guys hovered around double digits on good years. But more than that they dribbled with purpose and to bring the defender to them so they can hit the open man. They were always looking for cutters and those coming off picks. Point is not that JB is not good or that he does not pass ever. Point is that it is scary how much better he would be and we would be if he did some of the things mentioned above.


I think there is a good chance we will see it this year. When there are plays there are more passing opportunities
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8/13/2025  10:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/13/2025  10:01 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Been saying this about JB for a couple of years. Most took it as a put down but point was mostly that “True PG’s” are a dying breed. And that he has a sixth man mentality of focusing on scoring.

Funny thing is Simmons is probably closest out there to the old school mold.

JB averaged 7.3 assists per game last season. If he was a “true point guard” what would he average 14 assists per game?

Don’t think assist stats alone make someone a “True PG”?
Randle averaged 6 a few years ago. Far from a True PG.
Btw, Trae Young, who was shoot first, improved this aspect and averaged over 11 last year. .
JB’s assist stats from last year would be good enough to earn the classification if not for the fact we are all Knick fans and watched every game. We saw how JB was focused first on scoring. We see how many of his assists are not due to a focus on creating for others but mostly from passing to the many three point shooters we have.
And AGAIN, doesn’t mean JB is not good. He is elite. Just that he is a score first PG.
Think you can see a big difference watching guys like Chris Paul, Mike Conley, J Kidd, Nash or Halliburton. Those guys hovered around double digits on good years. But more than that they dribbled with purpose and to bring the defender to them so they can hit the open man. They were always looking for cutters and those coming off picks. Point is not that JB is not good or that he does not pass ever. Point is that it is scary how much better he would be and we would be if he did some of the things mentioned above.

But JB is a facilitator on offense who distributes the ball and makes his teammates better. Assists aside he does in fact do that. Is he John Stockton or prime Kidd? No but those guys were generational. JB is a better version of Baron Davis who was a great pg in his day. A great pg who can distribute but is also such a good scorer he can be shoot first when he needs to be.
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8/13/2025  12:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/13/2025  1:55 PM
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ToddTT wrote:Oh **** we still need a point guard.

Been saying this about JB for a couple of years. Most took it as a put down but point was mostly that “True PG’s” are a dying breed. And that he has a sixth man mentality of focusing on scoring.

Funny thing is Simmons is probably closest out there to the old school mold.

JB averaged 7.3 assists per game last season. If he was a “true point guard” what would he average 14 assists per game?

Don’t think assist stats alone make someone a “True PG”?
Randle averaged 6 a few years ago. Far from a True PG.
Btw, Trae Young, who was shoot first, improved this aspect and averaged over 11 last year. .
JB’s assist stats from last year would be good enough to earn the classification if not for the fact we are all Knick fans and watched every game. We saw how JB was focused first on scoring. We see how many of his assists are not due to a focus on creating for others but mostly from passing to the many three point shooters we have.
And AGAIN, doesn’t mean JB is not good. He is elite. Just that he is a score first PG.
Think you can see a big difference watching guys like Chris Paul, Mike Conley, J Kidd, Nash or Halliburton. Those guys hovered around double digits on good years. But more than that they dribbled with purpose and to bring the defender to them so they can hit the open man. They were always looking for cutters and those coming off picks. Point is not that JB is not good or that he does not pass ever. Point is that it is scary how much better he would be and we would be if he did some of the things mentioned above.

But JB is a facilitator on offense who distributes the ball and makes his teammates better. Assists aside he does in fact do that. Is he John Stockton or prime Kidd? No but those guys were generational. JB is a better version of Baron Davis who was a great pg in his day. A great pg who can distribute but is also such a good scorer he can be shoot first when he needs to be.

Seems like you disagreed with my original post mentioning I did not feel JB was a traditional old school “True PG” and then you say he is no Stockton or Kidd who were?

Several NBA analysts who know a lot more than we do, have classified him as a “combo guard”
Feel JB is a truly good one. And the best PG we have had in a long time. But not an old school PG.
Which I think he needs to be if the team is to win a chip.
Considering True PG’s are the on the court generals that have many responsibilities besides scoring.
Does not mean he should lose that killer scoring instinct at the end of games.

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