Alpha1971 wrote:Damn we passed on Dunn, hope Pacome makes Brock look brilliant. We have done good in drafts but picking Rokas over Herb Jones, and Obi over Haliburton are not forgotten. Come on Pacome next season. Hope Pacome dominates G league

All I know is that all the other French dudes in the draft have been playing really well in this ultimate challenge we call the preseason.

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Alpha1971 wrote:Damn we passed on Dunn, hope Pacome makes Brock look brilliant. We have done good in drafts but picking Rokas over Herb Jones, and Obi over Haliburton are not forgotten. Come on Pacome next season. Hope Pacome dominates G league

All I know is that all the other French dudes in the draft have been playing really well in this ultimate challenge we call the preseason.

Pacome is a smart kid, very introspective and motivated based on what he has said during interviews I have seen. His English sounds flawless already at age 18 when he was drafted. I watched some scouting videos and he seems capable of having a lot of room to grow while having a high floor to be a 3 and D wing with potential to be a focal point on the offense as a ceiling. Good draft pick talent wise at his draft position. Team has a season or two to develop him like Deuce. Let's hope he can handle a season in the G league and then another year of partial time between the bench and the G league and the Obi treatment of Thibs screaming " Pacome " at every mistake. By season 3 we will see what he got for real. Unless of course he breaks through when the inevitable injuries occur to rotation members and hope he ball out in limited minutes

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Alpha1971 wrote:Damn we passed on Dunn, hope Pacome makes Brock look brilliant. We have done good in drafts but picking Rokas over Herb Jones, and Obi over Haliburton are not forgotten. Come on Pacome next season. Hope Pacome dominates G league

All I know is that all the other French dudes in the draft have been playing really well in this ultimate challenge we call the preseason.

Pacome is a smart kid, very introspective and motivated based on what he has said during interviews I have seen. His English sounds flawless already at age 18 when he was drafted. I watched some scouting videos and he seems capable of having a lot of room to grow while having a high floor to be a 3 and D wing with potential to be a focal point on the offense as a ceiling. Good draft pick talent wise at his draft position. Team has a season or two to develop him like Deuce. Let's hope he can handle a season in the G league and then another year of partial time between the bench and the G league and the Obi treatment of Thibs screaming " Pacome " at every mistake. By season 3 we will see what he got for real. Unless of course he breaks through when the inevitable injuries occur to rotation members and hope he ball out in limited minutes

I have to tell you, I had the same takeaway after probably seeing the same videos as you. His size, mobility, lightening quick release, offensive ceiling with all the cutting and shooting potential... all of those things point to a T-Rex Durant-lite like prospect. And he won't be deficient on defense, maybe not stout but not bad either.

Dadiet gonna be a higher offensive ceiling Deuce type prospect but without the mad D.

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He shot the FT's incase he could come back to play. Cry me a river.
Your forgetting he was benched and was not cool with it given his ego.
I get it, big come down from a HOF track career.
But now he got validated with a contract bigger than GSW offered and a starting job, its about "Love".

It's not surprising that we view that sequence differently. Klay immediately went to the tunnel and the training room because he knew he had torn his Achilles. The rule is if the fouled player can't shoot, the other team gets to pick anyone on the other team, including the bench, to shoot those shots. Because it was the Finals, Klay gritted it out and came back. And yes, I was crying.

Klays issue is that he's always had to sacrifice for the team. He will likely end up top 5 on career 3 pointers list with a percentage much higher than anyone else not named Curry. Remember the whole number 76 jersey Steph had made for Klay when he didn't make the top 75 team?

You put "love" in quotes- salary, and not low balling dudes is how you show it. The Warriors showed Dray, Wiggins, and Poole more love. This despite Klay averaging exactly his career numbers last season.

Im only going off that he now is playing for love and was not. His words, not mine.
His demotion and reaction the last two years are documented.

The Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Kuminga, Green line up had a +18 rating last season, 4 points more than Podziemski. Klay had a positive net rating with every non Looney lineup. I think his criticisms were well justified. In Dallas, he feels wanted, in GSW he did not. I don't know what your beef with that is

martin wrote:Wait what?

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Jerry is held with amazing reverence given his career, he is the logo, and some savvy moves as GM.
What might have cracked the patina of his cred was the awful depiction of him in the HBO series about the Lakers from the time Buss bought the team.
They might have exaggerated everyone for dramatic purpose but I have also read up and have learned Riley was insecure early in his career, Westhead was a strange dude, Buss was a drinking playboy who had money issues, Kareem was legit very surly, Spencer Haywood had bad drug issues, and Magic was all that.
If West was half of how he was depicted it changes many perceptions of him.
If you have not seen it it shows him as a very loud and insecure employee. This after a long playing career where his laker teams lost to the Celtics in the finals six times! Then lost to the knicks in 1970. They finally won in 1972, and lost again in 1973. The logo went to the finals 9 times and won just once. He was a disaster as a coach and that part was actually funny as they wanted him to do it again but he fully ranted he hated it and was bad at it. Magic was also when he tried his hand at it.

While the Laker seemed to unceremoniously drop him and offend him we never got the other side of the story from the lakers perspective. This is a franchise that seems to have shown loyalty kind of is out of character with how West depicts them.Not saying Lakers are not at fault. We learn there is usually two sides to every divorce. something went south there. Something got ugly. There is more to this.

Many Fans blame Jeannie for the mess that became the lakers. Jerry died in 2013. Jerry West left the Lakers in 2000. Lakers won 4 chips with Phil AFTER he left. Many fans think he pulled the Trade for Pau? Nope, he was exec for Memphis then. That was 2008!
Buss traded for Kareem. Bill Sharman was GM from 1976-1982. WESt from thru 1994 when Kupchek was bought in. West leaves the year they bring in Phil Jax in 2000.
What happened? Don't know. He gets a lot of cred. Lakers fall apart when Buss leaves control of the team to Son Jimmy and not Jeannie. Kupchek was still there but all hell broke loose. Jeannie takes control and the lakers win a chip a few years later.
Fans on social media are all about Laker hate and "all he did for them". No doubt while employed as an exec they won 6 chips. Showtime was not his genius exclusively. Thats on him, Buss and Shrmon who did some real savvy trades to get picks. Buss understood entertainment and winning was the best form. It was all a brilliant congruence of events that turned that franchise into something special.

gradyandrew wrote:Love is a two way street. He didn't feel it in GSW and now he does in Dallas. Klay sadly has been the scapegoat for a lot of GSWs recent problems. The "Klay has lost a step on defense " was a common theme for the past few years despite Wiggins falling off a cliff and Poole having to be traded because Draymond decided punching him was the easiest way to get a new contract. Klay is the second best player in franchise history and left at 33 because of the poor decisions the front office made. I wouldn't feel the love if I was him too.

I'd say that part is questionable. I think Chris Mullin is the second best player in GSW's history
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