EwingsGlass wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:Do not trade this guy!!!

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Put him in the starting line up! I'd like to have some talent in reserve and on the bench.

Go with Brunson and McBride in the back court, and then OG & Bridges up front with Kat.

Josh, Prescious and Payne off the bench.

When starting, Brunson was not. Pick your poison

An order of the McBrunson sounds nice.

Nalod wrote:one can argue precious starting is not far fetched. he can play big minutes and do the dirty work needed. OG is not a great rebounder but positioning at the 3 might have to do with that. I like Josh off the bench. Who starts and who finishes is not always the same.
I can also see if Deuce responds he too can start with Precious instead off the bench. Deuce has to hit that long ball three at a good clip. He will have a lot of open looks. We are better with Mikal penetrating. OG will be in the corner or the elbow and also benefit from open looks.
Josh is not a strong passer and we don't know if he fixed his shot in the offseason. It was public he was going to work with JJ Reddick and change his mechanics. Curious to see if he was able to do so (I think JJ got busy in other areas).
Camp and preseason will sort it out as these players have to execute to the level of confidence and earn it. I do think Cam Payne gets the back up role but Kolek will get a chance if he can out play him. Thibian rotations could start Cam if Brunson gets hurt keeping Kolek in the second unit. He used to do that with Hartenstin and start Sims before Isiah really got going last year.

I agree 100% that Precious will be starting. Thibs gonna want some beef up front.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:one can argue precious starting is not far fetched. he can play big minutes and do the dirty work needed. OG is not a great rebounder but positioning at the 3 might have to do with that. I like Josh off the bench. Who starts and who finishes is not always the same.
I can also see if Deuce responds he too can start with Precious instead off the bench. Deuce has to hit that long ball three at a good clip. He will have a lot of open looks. We are better with Mikal penetrating. OG will be in the corner or the elbow and also benefit from open looks.
Josh is not a strong passer and we don't know if he fixed his shot in the offseason. It was public he was going to work with JJ Reddick and change his mechanics. Curious to see if he was able to do so (I think JJ got busy in other areas).
Camp and preseason will sort it out as these players have to execute to the level of confidence and earn it. I do think Cam Payne gets the back up role but Kolek will get a chance if he can out play him. Thibian rotations could start Cam if Brunson gets hurt keeping Kolek in the second unit. He used to do that with Hartenstin and start Sims before Isiah really got going last year.

I like Precious starting too for the very reasons you suggest. And then it allows Mikal and OG to do their weak side help things which is a forte for both.

I am going to quibble with the bolded regarding Josh. He is a VERY good passer in the mold of Randle. He wants to catch, get downhill, and finish or pass. And he is very very good at both when he gets downhill. Better than Randle in fact (hint less assists but a lot less turnovers) and just as good or better finisher at the rim than Randle.

My minds eye has Josh with some key turnovers at times trying to pass thru the lanes. Mostly fatigue. Don't get me wrong, these are not deal breakers!
I like Josh finishing based on game conditions more than starting. That energy at games end and if on the court with Mikal and OG will mess people up! Forcing turnovers leads to easy buckets! This was the core of Miami's success under Spo. close the passing lanes, force iso and disrupt flow.
Knicks team rebounding well because they box out. Josh boards and coast to coast runs down the court in part from his hustle but team efforts boxing out.
Offense boards also from this. Thibian teams work hard! Granted, Mitch and iHart got those boards but its a team thing.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:one can argue precious starting is not far fetched. he can play big minutes and do the dirty work needed. OG is not a great rebounder but positioning at the 3 might have to do with that. I like Josh off the bench. Who starts and who finishes is not always the same.
I can also see if Deuce responds he too can start with Precious instead off the bench. Deuce has to hit that long ball three at a good clip. He will have a lot of open looks. We are better with Mikal penetrating. OG will be in the corner or the elbow and also benefit from open looks.
Josh is not a strong passer and we don't know if he fixed his shot in the offseason. It was public he was going to work with JJ Reddick and change his mechanics. Curious to see if he was able to do so (I think JJ got busy in other areas).
Camp and preseason will sort it out as these players have to execute to the level of confidence and earn it. I do think Cam Payne gets the back up role but Kolek will get a chance if he can out play him. Thibian rotations could start Cam if Brunson gets hurt keeping Kolek in the second unit. He used to do that with Hartenstin and start Sims before Isiah really got going last year.

I like Precious starting too for the very reasons you suggest. And then it allows Mikal and OG to do their weak side help things which is a forte for both.

I am going to quibble with the bolded regarding Josh. He is a VERY good passer in the mold of Randle. He wants to catch, get downhill, and finish or pass. And he is very very good at both when he gets downhill. Better than Randle in fact (hint less assists but a lot less turnovers) and just as good or better finisher at the rim than Randle.

My minds eye has Josh with some key turnovers at times trying to pass thru the lanes. Mostly fatigue. Don't get me wrong, these are not deal breakers!
I like Josh finishing based on game conditions more than starting. That energy at games end and if on the court with Mikal and OG will mess people up! Forcing turnovers leads to easy buckets! This was the core of Miami's success under Spo. close the passing lanes, force iso and disrupt flow.
Knicks team rebounding well because they box out. Josh boards and coast to coast runs down the court in part from his hustle but team efforts boxing out.
Offense boards also from this. Thibian teams work hard! Granted, Mitch and iHart got those boards but its a team thing.

gradyandrew wrote:How can you run a 5 out offense with Achiuwa on the court? Wasn't the whole point of the KAT trade to improve wide open spacing?

Precious needs to improve his shooting, that's for sure. But let's say he plays the 5 with four shooters on the floor it still affords the team more space then Mitch or Simms. At least Precious doesn't have to stay in the dunkers spot like Mitch or Simms. I seem to recall Precious set up at the corner from time to time and that pulls the opposing big out a bit.

VDesai wrote:Here's how I see the rotations with Mitch out

SL
Brunson-Bridges-Hart-OG-KAT

Approx 5 min mark of 1stQ
KAT goes out for Precious
Bridges goes out for Deuce
Brunson-Deuce-Hart-OG-Precious

Start 2nd Q
Brunson goes out for Payne
OG goes out for KAT
Hart goes out for Bridges
Payne-Deuce-Bridges-Precious-KAT

7 min mark
Precious goes out for Hart
Payne goes our for Brunson
Brunson-Deuce-Bridges-Hart-KAT

4-5 min mark
OG returns for Deuce
SL finishes

Something similar in half 2

Is see some Shamet in the rotation. Deuce with another short guard like Payne may not be ideal.

When he's healthy, he is a plus for our team with his defense and offensive rebounding. And he doesn't have an obscene contract. He played 59+ games 4 times out of the last 6 seasons.
Compared to Kat and OG who played 59+ games 3 times out of the last 6 seasons.
KP has 59+ games once out of the last 6 seasons. Boston is not looking to trade him.

OG and Kat are far more important to the team than Mitch and we're rolling with them.
In any case, we need to be injury free for the most part to have a chance at a playoff push.

gradyandrew wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:How can you run a 5 out offense with Achiuwa on the court? Wasn't the whole point of the KAT trade to improve wide open spacing?

Precious needs to improve his shooting, that's for sure. But let's say he plays the 5 with four shooters on the floor it still affords the team more space then Mitch or Simms. At least Precious doesn't have to stay in the dunkers spot like Mitch or Simms. I seem to recall Precious set up at the corner from time to time and that pulls the opposing big out a bit.

It's also gonna be hard with Hart in the game. As of now, the most viable "5 out" lineup is probably going to have to feature Deuce as the 2.

For their careers Precious shoots 29% from the corners vs. Josh at 40%. Leaving Precious alone in the corners to shoot 3s is a winning strategy, leaving Hart is a losing one.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1628404/shooting?SeasonType=Regular+Season