martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don't think it's a mistake at all. Backup bigs is a position almost every team goes small nowadays. Hart will be fine.

Ok but what if he goes down ? Or RJ or Julius ? Or in some games a big PF simply manhandles Hart for 14 minutes ? A well constructed team is prepared for potential mismatches and injury. We are prepared for such contingency at center, wing, and guard. Sims is not it at PF is Roby it or Knight ? Simms played and gave us a pathetic jump shot.

The Knicks are hard capped this year and also want to make a trade while sitting right under the first apron.

You don't willy-nilly with the backup PF position when you have larger goals in mind.

Going willy nilly with the PF position is what currently exists.

Only in your mind.

Question: What do you think is more important to the FO, finding/signing a backup PF (who, at this current time has zero chance of getting minutes) or putting the team in the best position for a trade?

And BTW, the same scrap backup PF's that are on the market today are the same level of backup PF's they can grab any time over the next months. There is literal no rush until they need to address that situation, if they even ever need to.

Alpha1971, do you understand the implications of the hard cap and first apron have on a team like the Knicks?

You saw Simms at PF? Just imagine Hart misses a few games or any of our bigs and he has to play the 4 for a week. No, it's not only me. Roster construction is poor. Let's see if the correct it. Like I said they have contracts, picks, and TPE to get it done.

Stay ignorant, seems like a choice.

Yo Martin I disagree with you but I have not been disrespectful.

I am being factual here. I keep presenting you with some pretty clear indicators and you willfully blow past them.

I ask you direct questions and you ignore them.

You aren't even interested in learning or getting information that is pertinent to your topic at hand when directly presented with them.

This is what willful ignorance looks like.

You keep saying that I am wrong about needing a vet PF for the bench. Other front offices have made their teams better creatively over the off-season. I am not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. No need to argue when the facts are on the court for everyone to see. Sure the team sees it. Sure they are being patient just hope the patience doesn't cost us seedng due to lost games Incase or injury. Sure every team would lose it any injury hits a top player but going into a season with a PF who has ankle surgery with a back up at 6'4"", is bad construction. Sometimes this front office is too myopic.

Several teams deploy small lineups successfully. Having JHart, who can rebound, in a small lineup should make our small lineup a good candidate for success. Think many will be surprised by it.
We have Sims as an insurance policy if we need him against bigger second units or someone gets hurt.

Long term, think we can all agree the FO does not feel this is a finished product.

I think most would agree that GS and Miami are 2 team that are well regarded around the league. Each definitely have had their "down" years.

But I think we all could agree that they are both capable of competing at a high level in recent years.

Neither team really has important rotation players over 6'9".

Feels good for once to read someone else debating over nothing really. But I've been there and choose to keep it calm this season. But if I gave my 2 cents, I agree with both of you (Martin and Alpha).

As fans, we will always find something to be concerned about in the off season. Right now everything is on paper, so it's all hypothetical talk. But I agree with Martin as well, and think if fans are seeing this, you better believe the FO who gets paid to do this, sees the same thing.

It's a calculated risk. Jules rarely gets hurt and doesn't leave a lot of minutes for his backup. Josh plays bigger than his size. Sims plays smaller than his size, as far as his lateral quickness. But Sims will struggle against a PF who can shoot 3's. And Hart will struggle against a PF built like Sims.

But I believe Thibs is savy enough to play the matchup game with that backup PF spot. Plus it gives Thibs more flexibility with his end game second unit lineup.

With all that said, I believe if Jacob Obi makes the team, he can be groomed for the backup PF spot, and unlike his brother, Jacob would be very happy to get 5-10min a game.

This season, we will see how effective this "no PF backup" lineup will work. We do not have a championship team YET, so now is the time to play around and see what works. See if chemistry out weighs roster limitations.

And with DDV on board, we need Josh or RJ to play PF just for roster management sake. Certain small ball players work, especially 2 way dogs like DDV, Hart, Grimes, IQ, etc....

This season will be a good experiment. Maybe Josh Hart at PF works and if so, thank God we didn't add more to an already crowded roster. I don't think we can add more. We either need to make a trade and wait until the dust clears and trade mid season. At least we will have a bigger sample size to make better decisions, instead of jumping the gun. What we have might be enough. Josh rebounding numbers might be impacted, but we have plenty of rebounders.

Relax, drink some tea, enjoy the ride of another season.

Jacob is the new Deuce

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:I certainly can view Martins position as plausible. From his mouth to God's ears. Also just to reiterate I never said the Knicks need to acquire a starting level or top end of the rotation power forward at this time I am optimistic about Hart and a small lineup. I just want the Knicks to have secured a bench veteran with some size or ability to shoot and contribute a little on offense. Like the vets Miami always seems to pick up and rehab. I'm sure we will pick someone up eventually. Just wanted it at the onset of the season.
For me the Knicks front office has been overall great. Yet, like they did after the defeat to Atlanta obtained Fournier and Kemba to fight last year'war. So we decided this summer after losing to Miami to fight last play off series with DDV instead of Obi. Let's see what happens. But Simms can't contribute anything but a dunk on offense. Thibs is being overly ambitious in his view of Simms as a PF . But we will see.

I will ask this one more time and please help me understand this: do you understand what the hard cap is and the implication of the first apron and how those 2 impact making a trade?

If the Knicks were to have traded a salary for a similar salary would they be in the same position salary cap wise ?. If the Knicks were to trade Deuce and another small contract they can bring back a player within that range am I correct ?

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:I certainly can view Martins position as plausible. From his mouth to God's ears. Also just to reiterate I never said the Knicks need to acquire a starting level or top end of the rotation power forward at this time I am optimistic about Hart and a small lineup. I just want the Knicks to have secured a bench veteran with some size or ability to shoot and contribute a little on offense. Like the vets Miami always seems to pick up and rehab. I'm sure we will pick someone up eventually. Just wanted it at the onset of the season.
For me the Knicks front office has been overall great. Yet, like they did after the defeat to Atlanta obtained Fournier and Kemba to fight last year'war. So we decided this summer after losing to Miami to fight last play off series with DDV instead of Obi. Let's see what happens. But Simms can't contribute anything but a dunk on offense. Thibs is being overly ambitious in his view of Simms as a PF . But we will see.

I will ask this one more time and please help me understand this: do you understand what the hard cap is and the implication of the first apron and how those 2 impact making a trade?

If the Knicks were to have traded a salary for a similar salary would they be in the same position salary cap wise ?. If the Knicks were to trade Deuce and another small contract they can bring back a player within that range am I correct ?

I’ve asked you the same yes or no question about 3 times now and you have avoided it each time.

It’s an easy reply.

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:I certainly can view Martins position as plausible. From his mouth to God's ears. Also just to reiterate I never said the Knicks need to acquire a starting level or top end of the rotation power forward at this time I am optimistic about Hart and a small lineup. I just want the Knicks to have secured a bench veteran with some size or ability to shoot and contribute a little on offense. Like the vets Miami always seems to pick up and rehab. I'm sure we will pick someone up eventually. Just wanted it at the onset of the season.
For me the Knicks front office has been overall great. Yet, like they did after the defeat to Atlanta obtained Fournier and Kemba to fight last year'war. So we decided this summer after losing to Miami to fight last play off series with DDV instead of Obi. Let's see what happens. But Simms can't contribute anything but a dunk on offense. Thibs is being overly ambitious in his view of Simms as a PF . But we will see.

I will ask this one more time and please help me understand this: do you understand what the hard cap is and the implication of the first apron and how those 2 impact making a trade?

If the Knicks were to have traded a salary for a similar salary would they be in the same position salary cap wise ?. If the Knicks were to trade Deuce and another small contract they can bring back a player within that range am I correct ?

I’ve asked you the same yes or no question about 3 times now and you have avoided it each time.

It’s an easy reply.

The Knicks could have traded a contract of a position of surplus to bring back a player in a position of need and remained in the cap position they wish to maintain correct ? This is what I am stating. Also I may be wrong but I believe a vet min would not raise the team above the team apron which would place limitations on how they make trades, making them more difficult and enforce a tax on teams above the cap. But we have seen teams like Phoenix who blew past the second apron make deals am I wrong about that?

So no, you do not understand those 2 things but are just too chicken**** to just say that?

Hmmm, what has gotten into you bro ? Tell me all about it

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:I certainly can view Martins position as plausible. From his mouth to God's ears. Also just to reiterate I never said the Knicks need to acquire a starting level or top end of the rotation power forward at this time I am optimistic about Hart and a small lineup. I just want the Knicks to have secured a bench veteran with some size or ability to shoot and contribute a little on offense. Like the vets Miami always seems to pick up and rehab. I'm sure we will pick someone up eventually. Just wanted it at the onset of the season.
For me the Knicks front office has been overall great. Yet, like they did after the defeat to Atlanta obtained Fournier and Kemba to fight last year'war. So we decided this summer after losing to Miami to fight last play off series with DDV instead of Obi. Let's see what happens. But Simms can't contribute anything but a dunk on offense. Thibs is being overly ambitious in his view of Simms as a PF . But we will see.

I will ask this one more time and please help me understand this: do you understand what the hard cap is and the implication of the first apron and how those 2 impact making a trade?

If the Knicks were to have traded a salary for a similar salary would they be in the same position salary cap wise ?. If the Knicks were to trade Deuce and another small contract they can bring back a player within that range am I correct ?

I’ve asked you the same yes or no question about 3 times now and you have avoided it each time.

It’s an easy reply.

The Knicks could have traded a contract of a position of surplus to bring back a player in a position of need and remained in the cap position they wish to maintain correct ? This is what I am stating. Also I may be wrong but I believe a vet min would not raise the team above the team apron which would place limitations on how they make trades, making them more difficult and enforce a tax on teams above the cap. But we have seen teams like Phoenix who blew past the second apron make deals am I wrong about that?

So no, you do not understand those 2 things but are just too chicken**** to just say that?

Hmmm, what has gotten into you bro ? Tell me all about it

Mostly just the posters who are so adjectively ignorant to even want to understand the answers to the very questions they are asking about.

There are some very simple answers here but if you are more comfortable sticking your head in the ground when trying to be informed, that’s the type of response you should expect when someone is trying to enlighten you.

KnickDanger wrote:Article in the Post saying IHart and Sims have both been working out at the 4 as well as the 5 and Thibs saying they “play effectively together.” And talks about playing them against certain lineups.

Saw that too, another reason why Sims showing a jumper will be welcome. Wont be a high scoring duo I imagine, and every bucket helps.

Also read this quote that made me happy, when I read about back to back practices.

Hart didn’t play in the preseason opener and is being given a break.

“We just wanna make sure he’s completely healthy before we completely ramp him up,” Thibodeau said.

SergioNYK wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Article in the Post saying IHart and Sims have both been working out at the 4 as well as the 5 and Thibs saying they “play effectively together.” And talks about playing them against certain lineups.

Josh Hart and Jericho Sims may have some company backing up Julius Randle at power forward.

Center Isaiah Hartenstein is an option as well, coach Tom Thibodeau said after Wednesday’s practice.

Both Sims and Hartenstein have been working out at both the power-forward and center spots, according to the coach.

“[Hartenstein] and Jericho, they play very effectively together. And oftentimes, I’ll go more by how they’re being defended, who do they have their 4 on, who do they have their 5 on?” Thibodeau said.

Hartenstein played a lot of 4 growing up, so he is at least somewhat used to it.

“I think when me and Jericho are on the court, they’ll probably want me to be in the passing game so I’ll be more [playing the 5] that way I can facilitate,” Hartenstein said. “But then just in pick-and-roll stuff, just trying to space out the court, read what they’re doing and just make everyone’s life easier.”

https://nypost.com/2023/10/12/tom-thibodeau-likes-chemistry-between-hartenstein-sims/

Want to see Hartenstein launch up some more threes like he did with the Clippers.

And hopefully make them too!

BigDaddyG wrote: Waiting for the envitable IQ/Allen Iverson comparison.

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https://twitter.com/NYKmentality85/status/1711569041091957091

Cool picture!

WHat did you see he did against the Main Red Claw Gleague team Boston put out there?

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote: Waiting for the envitable IQ/Allen Iverson comparison.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/NYKmentality85/status/1711569041091957091

Cool picture!

WHat did you see he did against the Main Red Claw Gleague team Boston put out there?

Oh my, I didn’t at first notice the NYMentality post, ya stalker BigDaddy

Very cool poster. Curious how you made this.

Jacob is hungry and a willing defender. Scrappy type who rebounds in traffic, and understands the fundamentals of defense.

I remember listening to a jacob interview about Obi, And Jacob said he would just drive past Obi when they played 1v1 which was telling since Jacob wasn't even an NBA player at that time.

Now he's still a long shot to make the team (just because of the numbers), but I can see him following Deuce G league development and being called up during injuries. Thibs likes him so thats a major start. We all know what happens to players Thibs doesn't like (aka Cam). It's Thibs way or the high way. Come on board or get run over. or in EF case, you don't play defense, you can take a seat. I can see Thibs putting Jacob's in the game before EF, eventhough EF is a solid shooter. Will be an interesting season with lots of story lines for fans to chew on.