HofstraBBall wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:This regime is married to Randle. They are not trading him unless it's for a superior player and no team is making that trade. I'm talking about Randle plus prospects and picks for someone like Embiid, Giannis or Luka. Those trades are impossible. We're stuck with Randle.

My guess would be for a very good role player. As well as picks, maybe cap space. To a contender that needs depth.

I’d be looking at guys like Porter Jr, Kuzma, Miles Bridges (if his legal situation is resolved) —— some young 4’s that we can play real offense with —- though we need a long defender as well.

I don’t know.

LMAO. A Sprained ankle later and the jackals are back to 2021 summer. Do any of you truly believe that is the way a professional FO rationalize things??

Dude the entire world is watching in front of their eyes — can’t help you if you can’t seethe dogging/quitting and piss-poor decision making. My trade ideas are simply for fun - don’t think I’ll be the one executing trades.

HofstraBBall wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:It's ugly. Randle needs to mentally play better. This is hard to watch. I can deal with the playoff shooting % if a guy is going all out but this is beyond excuses.

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Any fool defending Randle after watching that should be packaged with Julius when we trade him for Booker/Durant

Any fool who blames solely Randle for costing us the season is a moron.
Including the quoted Twit.

The fan who is a fool may want to look at the Knicks overall shooting percentage to buy a clue as to why we are down in the series.

Who is solely blaming Randle - I’m down for shipping some other guys out as well….I’ll start with Mitch. LOL

Problem is, as always, who is the replacement for anyone we want out?
How much does that new player make? What assets will we have to give up?

Some here suggesting Kat for Randle. $50m vs $22m and what assets we giving up?
Kat had better pieces around him, yet they did what?
Mitch is a defensive Center. One of the best in the league. Do I want someone who can hit a foul shot? Sure. But who that is better offensively gets us the same on defense. Some admiring IJart on here yet no complains about his lack of offense.

My point is that if we had wings that contributed positively, to our three point shooting, this series would be over. With us winning it.
Our good year came from Randle and JB playing like All Stars. But also because IQ, Grimes, Harts and our bench had stellar years. Yes Randle and JB have not been as good in the playoffs. Both have bum ankles. Bit also because, in the playoffs, teams will focus on stopping your main players. But that's why it's important to have other pieces in place that can step up and play well. Everyone besides Randle and JB have played poorly. You look at Miami and several guys have stepped in and played well.
Side note, the other punching bag (RJ) has proven haters wrong. Kid has played well.

Agree on RJ —- in the playoffs he has proven to be for more reliable/consistent with sound decision making throughout. Issue would be if no Julius and RJ regular season performance we’d probably been 10th/11th seed.

fitzfarm wrote:Trade one play when he wants player for another package Randle for KAT I don’t think Minny says no I think the question is do the Knicks say no.

I'm not a KAT fan either but I'd make that trade if it were possible.

Nalod wrote:Listened to Hahn and Barton and was really disapointed in the parroting of things I heard. Really blaming Randle for like everything.
The focus of him not coming up big in the playoffs and thus forget the regular season ever existed?
Or his lateral motion might be compromised?
Indict his whole knick career on a half dozen dogged plays? I agree its a bad look but the whole career?
He played 13 playoff games. We did win a series with him coming back from injury.
The tone is often its his fault and not enough credence to Heats excellence and that Lowrey who did **** all season is healthy.
Like the whole 47 wins and feel good season with a series win and the whole thing is ruined by Randle as if none of his allstar season mattered.
And we wonder why players don’t come to NY?

We don’t get to this point in May without Julius Randle. Does that not resonate with fans? He is like the 50th best paid player in the league. He has limitations. We know this. Brunson is the team leader. Who said Jules is the defacto leader of the team? He is a dude with faults. Not saying we keep him forever or that he is our championship kind of guy. He is not.
My hope is the team grows around him and perhaps with him
Radio dudes saying “we need a super star”. No ****.

Poor motor and effort is not tolerated in the playoffs, especially in a 'must win' game. And the ankle cannot be used as an excuse when we've seen Randle run up the court and dunk. The postgame comments about not wanting it as bad as Miami also is not a good look.

I appreciate Randle's effort during the regular season and you're correct, we do not get here without him but he's worn out his welcome here imo. That's two straight playoffs he's decline dramatically. He is currently the worst playoff performer in NBA history. It would be best for everyone if he just went somewhere else this offseason. It's not going to end well here.

Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"

We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.

fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.

Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"

We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.

Nothing to do with owning a Randle jersey.

Its not so much Randle, but the role he has on the team. I dont believe its hyperbole to state that Randle historically has not been a clutch player. Does not play well in the 4th. Has not been a good playoff performer. Bad would be an accurate decription.

If Jules was 22-23, sure give him time to figure things out. But Randle has been playing for almost a decade now. Almost 30.

I believe the crux of the problem is Randle's role in the offense. You cant have a second option who is as unreliable as Randle has been. Not if the Knicks want to contend.

As its been said. When Jules was talking about the team not wanting it enough. He was really talking about just himself. Randle is strong but not mentally tough. You have as much riding as the Knicks do, on Randle not folding when it matters. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

The Knicks cant contend on his gaudy stats alone. Its also about when he fills up a stat sheet.

If Randle stays it better be with another star ahead of him as a scoring option. Enough of a sample size to believe its necessary.

As for Mitch, if he stays, Brunson needs to spend part of the offseason working on a two man game. Might be the worst chemistry between a starting PG and Center. They need to put in the time to make it work.

And practice those fing free throws.

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:

fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.

Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"

We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.

It's going to be pretty unbearable around here for the next 5 months.

So, the usual?

Yeah, then they'll make a trade and people will be predicting 50 wins again.

Rookie wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.

Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"

We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.

Nothing to do with owning a Randle jersey.

Its not so much Randle, but the role he has on the team. I dont believe its hyperbole to state that Randle historically has not been a clutch player. Does not play well in the 4th. Has not been a good playoff performer. Bad would be an accurate decription.

If Jules was 22-23, sure give him time to figure things out. But Randle has been playing for almost a decade now. Almost 30.

I believe the crux of the problem is Randle's role in the offense. You cant have a second option who is as unreliable as Randle has been. Not if the Knicks want to contend.

As its been said. When Jules was talking about the team not wanting it enough. He was really talking about just himself. Randle is strong but not mentally tough. You have as much riding as the Knicks do, on Randle not folding when it matters. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

The Knicks cant contend on his gaudy stats alone. Its also about when he fills up a stat sheet.

If Randle stays it better be with another star ahead of him as a scoring option. Enough of a sample size to believe its necessary.

As for Mitch, if he stays, Brunson needs to spend part of the offseason working on a two man game. Might be the worst chemistry between a starting PG and Center. They need to put in the time to make it work.

And practice those fing free throws.

Are you sure that he is self aware enough to be talking about himself here? He could just as well be deflecting blame to the rest of the team. He could also hold the opinion that other than himself, there isn't enough talent on the team and he wouldn't be completely wrong. The Knicks need to keep making the playoffs and Randle gets us there. He might be a head case, but he is our head case. I don't see any drastic changes on the horizon. I just hope exit interviews aren't - 'sorry Julius, we will surround you with better talent next year.'

Basically I just keep hearing Randle isnt a good first or second option and we have kinda known that for years and have been trying improve that. Brunson has helped. We still have more needs. 5th seed team.