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Rookie wrote:Forget that Dame is 32 or a second, he's 6'2" and probably not the answer. As great as he is, not a good fit next to Brunson. I think signing Cam Johnson as a FA is more realistic and costs us nothing in assets

I'm not paying Cam Johnson to be a backup. We need a legit wing and he's a four.

Cam has legit size for his position 6'8" 210lbs), shoots a better percentage (47/40) and is a solid defender. He wins RJ's spot as a starter easily.

But he's not a wing and doesn't fit defensively. You're willing to pay starter type money on a backup?

Cam probably gets Mitch money. I don't really understand what you mean by 'doesn't fit defensively'? RJ has a defensive rating of 117 while Cam's is 113. I thought he was a starter for the Suns after Crowder decided he was too good for the team. I also don't understand why you think he only plays PF. I thought he plays both 3/4. Think similar body type as Reddish with 3" less wingspan but a little taller.

Cam pretty much plays 4. He can play 3 in some matchups, but the defense is taking a L mostbof the season. He filled in for Crowder, but crowder was also playing 4. In all, I think Cam pulls around $20M per. I don't think Cam is a bad player, just got in terms of salary and role is off.

Im having trouble following how a guy who is the right age, the right size, has the right skillset, has athleticism, doesn't demand the ball, doesn't cost us youth and 1st rd picks in a trade because he is a FA has a 'role that is off'. Maybe explain that to me??

He's a four and we already have one who is better? And he's not going to get backup money. I think we learned from Isaiah about the dangers of smashing talented square pegs into round holes.

Johnson is a 3 and D wing who can also play the 4 in small ball line ups. Nets play 5 out and do really have a center. Johnson while 3” taller than RJ weighs less at 210lbs. He is neither a PF or a tweener, he is a wing.

Johnson is a perimeter4 who can play 3 in certain lineups. He played 4 in Phoenix. I don't see him as a clean fit at the 3. He would get eaten up on D. And there's the price tag.

Let us hope your insanity can be cured. Johnson played some 4 in Phoenix so he could share the floor with Bridges who plays the 3. It’s the same deal in Brooklyn. Johnson is not strong enough to guard big PF’s like Randle. He is a liability on D guarding PF’s. He is a wing. Johnson and Bridges are both wings. If Johnson is a PF then I guess Royce O’Neil is a Center. Get how this works yet?

Let's hope you never have to manage the roster of a real NBA franchise. You were probably one of those dudes who thought Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis in the same backcourt was a good idea. Johnson is a tweener who's best position, defensively, is the 4.

I can't think of any PF's who weigh 210lbs. Not a tweener, wing player.

Great, just keep kicking Evan Mobley while he's down.

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Rookie wrote:Forget that Dame is 32 or a second, he's 6'2" and probably not the answer. As great as he is, not a good fit next to Brunson. I think signing Cam Johnson as a FA is more realistic and costs us nothing in assets

I'm not paying Cam Johnson to be a backup. We need a legit wing and he's a four.

Cam has legit size for his position 6'8" 210lbs), shoots a better percentage (47/40) and is a solid defender. He wins RJ's spot as a starter easily.

But he's not a wing and doesn't fit defensively. You're willing to pay starter type money on a backup?

Cam probably gets Mitch money. I don't really understand what you mean by 'doesn't fit defensively'? RJ has a defensive rating of 117 while Cam's is 113. I thought he was a starter for the Suns after Crowder decided he was too good for the team. I also don't understand why you think he only plays PF. I thought he plays both 3/4. Think similar body type as Reddish with 3" less wingspan but a little taller.

Cam pretty much plays 4. He can play 3 in some matchups, but the defense is taking a L mostbof the season. He filled in for Crowder, but crowder was also playing 4. In all, I think Cam pulls around $20M per. I don't think Cam is a bad player, just got in terms of salary and role is off.

Im having trouble following how a guy who is the right age, the right size, has the right skillset, has athleticism, doesn't demand the ball, doesn't cost us youth and 1st rd picks in a trade because he is a FA has a 'role that is off'. Maybe explain that to me??

He's a four and we already have one who is better? And he's not going to get backup money. I think we learned from Isaiah about the dangers of smashing talented square pegs into round holes.

Johnson is a 3 and D wing who can also play the 4 in small ball line ups. Nets play 5 out and do really have a center. Johnson while 3” taller than RJ weighs less at 210lbs. He is neither a PF or a tweener, he is a wing.

Johnson is a perimeter4 who can play 3 in certain lineups. He played 4 in Phoenix. I don't see him as a clean fit at the 3. He would get eaten up on D. And there's the price tag.

Let us hope your insanity can be cured. Johnson played some 4 in Phoenix so he could share the floor with Bridges who plays the 3. It’s the same deal in Brooklyn. Johnson is not strong enough to guard big PF’s like Randle. He is a liability on D guarding PF’s. He is a wing. Johnson and Bridges are both wings. If Johnson is a PF then I guess Royce O’Neil is a Center. Get how this works yet?

Let's hope you never have to manage the roster of a real NBA franchise. You were probably one of those dudes who thought Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis in the same backcourt was a good idea. Johnson is a tweener who's best position, defensively, is the 4.

I can't think of any PF's who weigh 210lbs. Not a tweener, wing player.

Great, just keep kicking Evan Mobley while he's down.

Mobley is going to be happy to book his vacation after 4 games guarding Randle

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43 mins ago – via Kelly Iko @ The Athletic
To get a better sense of potential Rockets free-agency targets, The Athletic reached out to high-ranking scouts around the league for their insight and opinions on players and fits in Houston. Part two of what these scouts have to say about potential Rockets free-agent targets will run later in the week. From the scouts: “Cam Johnson is that kind of guy that is a great fit with any team. So in particular to his fit with the Rockets, I think he’s a really good fit just because of their lack of shooting on the wings. You got Tari (Eason), K.J. (Martin), certain guys that can shoot, but that’s not really what they do. That’s what Cam does and he can play without the ball. The Rockets have Jalen (Green) and Kevin Porter Jr. who want and need the ball in their hands.”

Hmmm maybe the Athletic should have talked to BigDaddyG first before writing this

No mention of who he guards defensively? Houston is a good fit tho. You have Martin who is a probably a four offensively who can guard wings. Cam plays outside offensively, but is probably better guarding the four.

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43 mins ago – via Kelly Iko @ The Athletic
To get a better sense of potential Rockets free-agency targets, The Athletic reached out to high-ranking scouts around the league for their insight and opinions on players and fits in Houston. Part two of what these scouts have to say about potential Rockets free-agent targets will run later in the week. From the scouts: “Cam Johnson is that kind of guy that is a great fit with any team. So in particular to his fit with the Rockets, I think he’s a really good fit just because of their lack of shooting on the wings. You got Tari (Eason), K.J. (Martin), certain guys that can shoot, but that’s not really what they do. That’s what Cam does and he can play without the ball. The Rockets have Jalen (Green) and Kevin Porter Jr. who want and need the ball in their hands.”

Hmmm maybe the Athletic should have talked to BigDaddyG first before writing this

No mention of who he guards defensively? Houston is a good fit tho. You have Martin who is a probably a four offensively who can guard wings. Cam plays outside offensively, but is probably better guarding the four.

Johnson's average defense (113) will always be better that Barrett's below average defense (117) at any position, at any point in any game, in any year past or present, even on weekends. Johnsons shooting percentages and efficiency will always be better than Barrett's at any position etc... etc... Johnson can legitimately spread the floor whereas opposing teams defensive schemes want Barrett to shoot. Bully ball to the rack is all he got. Cavs have Mitchell guarding Barrett and he is barely guarding him. Barretts team defense 'can' be very good at times when 'everyone' is locked in.

No arguments there. RJs defense has gotten progressively worse the past three years. But RJ is kinda low hanging fruit. You can say the same thing about RJ and Hart.

Caseloads wrote:If we could get Cam Johnson, would be great, using salary only

You're willing to pay Cam $18-$20M? The ramifications are possibly no Hart and IQ.

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Rookie wrote:Forget that Dame is 32 or a second, he's 6'2" and probably not the answer. As great as he is, not a good fit next to Brunson. I think signing Cam Johnson as a FA is more realistic and costs us nothing in assets

I'm not paying Cam Johnson to be a backup. We need a legit wing and he's a four.

Cam has legit size for his position 6'8" 210lbs), shoots a better percentage (47/40) and is a solid defender. He wins RJ's spot as a starter easily.

But he's not a wing and doesn't fit defensively. You're willing to pay starter type money on a backup?

Cam probably gets Mitch money. I don't really understand what you mean by 'doesn't fit defensively'? RJ has a defensive rating of 117 while Cam's is 113. I thought he was a starter for the Suns after Crowder decided he was too good for the team. I also don't understand why you think he only plays PF. I thought he plays both 3/4. Think similar body type as Reddish with 3" less wingspan but a little taller.

Cam pretty much plays 4. He can play 3 in some matchups, but the defense is taking a L mostbof the season. He filled in for Crowder, but crowder was also playing 4. In all, I think Cam pulls around $20M per. I don't think Cam is a bad player, just got in terms of salary and role is off.

Im having trouble following how a guy who is the right age, the right size, has the right skillset, has athleticism, doesn't demand the ball, doesn't cost us youth and 1st rd picks in a trade because he is a FA has a 'role that is off'. Maybe explain that to me??

He's a four and we already have one who is better? And he's not going to get backup money. I think we learned from Isaiah about the dangers of smashing talented square pegs into round holes.

Johnson is a 3 and D wing who can also play the 4 in small ball line ups. Nets play 5 out and do really have a center. Johnson while 3” taller than RJ weighs less at 210lbs. He is neither a PF or a tweener, he is a wing.

Johnson is a perimeter4 who can play 3 in certain lineups. He played 4 in Phoenix. I don't see him as a clean fit at the 3. He would get eaten up on D. And there's the price tag.

Let us hope your insanity can be cured. Johnson played some 4 in Phoenix so he could share the floor with Bridges who plays the 3. It’s the same deal in Brooklyn. Johnson is not strong enough to guard big PF’s like Randle. He is a liability on D guarding PF’s. He is a wing. Johnson and Bridges are both wings. If Johnson is a PF then I guess Royce O’Neil is a Center. Get how this works yet?

I tend to agree more with BigDaddy here as Cam has spent large majority of his time playing a stretch 4 and wouldn’t be that ideal 3/D wing BUT would 100% start hi at 3 over RJ. Hell I would be playing Hart/Obi at the 3 over RJ right now.

NardDogNation wrote:I kinda wonder if attaching IQ and Toppin to Barrett for Mikal Bridges might be a wise decision. I love IQ and have warmed to Toppin but the financial implications alone has me inclined to condense talent. Hopefully McBride could fill enough of the void left behind by IQ

I still don’t see Brooklyn doing that deal. We have a better chance of getting cam Johnson. I think Knicks are better off moving Barrett to a team with cap space and maybe getting a pick or two back. Resign Hart and Quickley, then we can go a number of directions replacing Barrett’s spot in the rotation. It can be going after a bigger fish like Anunoby, or a free agent like cam Johnson, and starting Hart at SF.

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NardDogNation wrote:I kinda wonder if attaching IQ and Toppin to Barrett for Mikal Bridges might be a wise decision. I love IQ and have warmed to Toppin but the financial implications alone has me inclined to condense talent. Hopefully McBride could fill enough of the void left behind by IQ

I still don’t see Brooklyn doing that deal. We have a better chance of getting cam Johnson. I think Knicks are better off moving Barrett to a team with cap space and maybe getting a pick or two back. Resign Hart and Quickley, then we can go a number of directions replacing Barrett’s spot in the rotation. It can be going after a bigger fish like Anunoby, or a free agent like cam Johnson, and starting Hart at SF.

Why wouldn't the Nets do the deal? They are starved for players with upside, which all 3 Knicks would offer.

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Caseloads wrote:If we could get Cam Johnson, would be great, using salary only

You're willing to pay Cam $18-$20M? The ramifications are possibly no Hart and IQ.

I’m paying hart and Quickley no matter what. However, I’m wanting to move Barrett to a rebuilding team with cap space that can absorb his contract. There will be a lot of those teams this summer and a weaker free agent class. Houston in particular will have more money than they know what to do with. Hopefully a team like that can take him and give us a protected first to add to the asset chest. After that , Knicks can use Fournier’s expiring to facilitate a deal for a player like Anunoby (in addition to picks) or hang tight and replace Barrett’s minutes with the MLE and sign a guy like Bruce Brown off the bench. A guy like that who fits better. Barrett’s starting spot goes to Hart, while Quickley, Brown, Toppin and Hartenstein are the bench rotation. I would be willing to sign Johnson instead of Brown but I think that’s less likely. But if we can’t get a star player to add, I just want to build a better team with fitting players. Barrett can still be good, but this just doesn’t seem like the best fit anymore.

I know a lot of people will get on their soapbox for me saying this but I think Miles Bridges would be an obvious upgrade over RJ Barrett and should be someone we pursue. He'll have to serve a 10 game suspension after he officially signs with a team and then undergo a steep re-acclimation process to shake off a year of rust but he has the talent of a perennial all-star and worth the backlash. I think he could be this generation's Sprewell in that regard, which could be good enough to put us into the conversation with the Bucks and Celtics of the East. If not, simply dumping RJ's contract for a soon-to-be friendly Miles Bridges deal is a win.

I think the issue with Bridges from a basketball standpoint is similar to Barrett. He’s not an ideal fit because he’s a fast break player who needs to play in a system with a guard like Ball. I think he wouldn’t be nearly as good here. He’s a downhill player on a team that doesn’t get downhill much when you’re built around Brunson and Randle.

I understand and respect the logic involved in your POV but I'm not sure I entirely agree. Bridges is a pretty good rebounder from the other forward spot (7rpg) and also showed improved decision making with the ball in his hands (4apg). If anything, he IS the fastbreak off the rebound if he returns to form. It is far from a perfect match but I compared him to Sprewell for that reason. With the steals a defensive team like us could generate, that threat could only be enhanced. If not, he's still a good enough shooter and cutter to Josh Hart his way into some points in a halfcourt set.

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Caseloads wrote:If we could get Cam Johnson, would be great, using salary only

You're willing to pay Cam $18-$20M? The ramifications are possibly no Hart and IQ.

I’m paying hart and Quickley no matter what. However, I’m wanting to move Barrett to a rebuilding team with cap space that can absorb his contract. There will be a lot of those teams this summer and a weaker free agent class. Houston in particular will have more money than they know what to do with. Hopefully a team like that can take him and give us a protected first to add to the asset chest. After that , Knicks can use Fournier’s expiring to facilitate a deal for a player like Anunoby (in addition to picks) or hang tight and replace Barrett’s minutes with the MLE and sign a guy like Bruce Brown off the bench. A guy like that who fits better. Barrett’s starting spot goes to Hart, while Quickley, Brown, Toppin and Hartenstein are the bench rotation. I would be willing to sign Johnson instead of Brown but I think that’s less likely. But if we can’t get a star player to add, I just want to build a better team with fitting players. Barrett can still be good, but this just doesn’t seem like the best fit anymore.

I know a lot of people will get on their soapbox for me saying this but I think Miles Bridges would be an obvious upgrade over RJ Barrett and should be someone we pursue. He'll have to serve a 10 game suspension after he officially signs with a team and then undergo a steep re-acclimation process to shake off a year of rust but he has the talent of a perennial all-star and worth the backlash. I think he could be this generation's Sprewell in that regard, which could be good enough to put us into the conversation with the Bucks and Celtics of the East. If not, simply dumping RJ's contract for a soon-to-be friendly Miles Bridges deal is a win.

I think the issue with Bridges from a basketball standpoint is similar to Barrett. He’s not an ideal fit because he’s a fast break player who needs to play in a system with a guard like Ball. I think he wouldn’t be nearly as good here. He’s a downhill player on a team that doesn’t get downhill much when you’re built around Brunson and Randle.

I understand and respect the logic involved in your POV but I'm not sure I entirely agree. Bridges is a pretty good rebounder from the other forward spot (7rpg) and also showed improved decision making with the ball in his hands (4apg). If anything, he IS the fastbreak off the rebound if he returns to form. It is far from a perfect match but I compared him to Sprewell for that reason. With the steals a defensive team like us could generate, that threat could only be enhanced. If not, he's still a good enough shooter and cutter to Josh Hart his way into some points in a halfcourt set.

I like Bridge's fit as a player and he's more of reasonable acquisition. I think he's lucky if get a deal for $15M per. I just don't have the stomach for the ensuing media circus.

Am I being pollyanne-ish in thinking that people will drop their fawx-outrage the minute this guy starts producing? Can the average NBA fan even pick him out of a lineup? I'm geniunely asking because I recall there being similar outrage (albeit pre-social media) with Jason Kidd and Kobe Bryant (both imminently bigger stars) and they seemed to be well past their controversies by season-2. Bridges has already done that time and then-some.