gradyandrew wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:The idea that you should get back to the weight and body shape you had when you were 18 seems far fetched to me. Getting lighter, quicker, more flexible is another matter.

I did like him better at the 2. It’s a better matchup for him.

He had some of the same issues with shot selection and finishing at the rim that he struggles with now. I don't think it's physical. He needs the game to slow down some more. He needs to be more instinctual.

He isn't a good fit. Knicks would be better off with another Josh Hart. Guys that contribute without scoring. Grimes and Hart do that, RJ doesn't. Knicks need a 3 and D specialist that can guard Tatum, Giannis. OG is the perfect fit for this team.

I think you ignore how limited OG is on offense. RJ has shown the ability to carry the first team and the bench on offense. OG...

Don’t just take my word for it; let’s dive into the data. He is shooting an atrocious 35-110 FG (31.8 percent) on pull-up jump shots. When breaking it down by distance, he’s shooting 6-26 3P (23.1 percent) and 29-84 2P (34.5 percent). When simplifying it to his output of 0.653 points per possession on dribble jumpers, there isn’t a less efficient player among the 103 with at least 100 attempts. Again, he’s not a legitimate shot-creation threat.

I think 22 year old RJ improving his defense has a much higher probability than 25 year old OG developing his offense.

Just to be clear, this presupposes that OG’s offense doesn’t already surpass RJ’s, right? RJ’s offense suffers from a lack of guilt. A lack of accountability. How do you go 0-9 from 3 and still take 9 3s. I’ve said this before. He isn’t a good enough 3 point shooter to go 0-9 from 3. Pass the ball.

OG doesn’t put up huge numbers, but it’s not his role. He just shoots 38% from three with a 55% eFG and leads the league in steals from a wing position. I mean, yeah, I would make that swap all day.

EwingsGlass wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:The idea that you should get back to the weight and body shape you had when you were 18 seems far fetched to me. Getting lighter, quicker, more flexible is another matter.

I did like him better at the 2. It’s a better matchup for him.

He had some of the same issues with shot selection and finishing at the rim that he struggles with now. I don't think it's physical. He needs the game to slow down some more. He needs to be more instinctual.

He isn't a good fit. Knicks would be better off with another Josh Hart. Guys that contribute without scoring. Grimes and Hart do that, RJ doesn't. Knicks need a 3 and D specialist that can guard Tatum, Giannis. OG is the perfect fit for this team.

I think you ignore how limited OG is on offense. RJ has shown the ability to carry the first team and the bench on offense. OG...

Don’t just take my word for it; let’s dive into the data. He is shooting an atrocious 35-110 FG (31.8 percent) on pull-up jump shots. When breaking it down by distance, he’s shooting 6-26 3P (23.1 percent) and 29-84 2P (34.5 percent). When simplifying it to his output of 0.653 points per possession on dribble jumpers, there isn’t a less efficient player among the 103 with at least 100 attempts. Again, he’s not a legitimate shot-creation threat.

I think 22 year old RJ improving his defense has a much higher probability than 25 year old OG developing his offense.

Just to be clear, this presupposes that OG’s offense doesn’t already surpass RJ’s, right? RJ’s offense suffers from a lack of guilt. A lack of accountability. How do you go 0-9 from 3 and still take 9 3s. I’ve said this before. He isn’t a good enough 3 point shooter to go 0-9 from 3. Pass the ball.

OG doesn’t put up huge numbers, but it’s not his role. He just shoots 38% from three with a 55% eFG and leads the league in steals from a wing position. I mean, yeah, I would make that swap all day.

If Toronto chooses to rebuild and let their free agents leave ( I mean what's the ceiling for their team as constructed with FVF,GTjr, Siakem, but all locking up their cap )maybe they take Canadian hero 23 year old RJ and 3 first rounders and a pick swap for OG. I'll give em our picks.

ccch wrote:He's just not that good. Hard to believe we wasted the 3rd overall pick on him. Who ever was responsible for that decision should be held accountable!

Way to contribute!

TheGame wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:The idea that you should get back to the weight and body shape you had when you were 18 seems far fetched to me. Getting lighter, quicker, more flexible is another matter.

I did like him better at the 2. It’s a better matchup for him.

He had some of the same issues with shot selection and finishing at the rim that he struggles with now. I don't think it's physical. He needs the game to slow down some more. He needs to be more instinctual.

He isn't a good fit. Knicks would be better off with another Josh Hart. Guys that contribute without scoring. Grimes and Hart do that, RJ doesn't. Knicks need a 3 and D specialist that can guard Tatum, Giannis. OG is the perfect fit for this team.

I think you ignore how limited OG is on offense. RJ has shown the ability to carry the first team and the bench on offense. OG...

Don’t just take my word for it; let’s dive into the data. He is shooting an atrocious 35-110 FG (31.8 percent) on pull-up jump shots. When breaking it down by distance, he’s shooting 6-26 3P (23.1 percent) and 29-84 2P (34.5 percent). When simplifying it to his output of 0.653 points per possession on dribble jumpers, there isn’t a less efficient player among the 103 with at least 100 attempts. Again, he’s not a legitimate shot-creation threat.

I think 22 year old RJ improving his defense has a much higher probability than 25 year old OG developing his offense.

Just to be clear, this presupposes that OG’s offense doesn’t already surpass RJ’s, right? RJ’s offense suffers from a lack of guilt. A lack of accountability. How do you go 0-9 from 3 and still take 9 3s. I’ve said this before. He isn’t a good enough 3 point shooter to go 0-9 from 3. Pass the ball.

OG doesn’t put up huge numbers, but it’s not his role. He just shoots 38% from three with a 55% eFG and leads the league in steals from a wing position. I mean, yeah, I would make that swap all day.

If Toronto chooses to rebuild and let their free agents leave ( I mean what's the ceiling for their team as constructed with FVF,GTjr, Siakem, but all locking up their cap )maybe they take Canadian hero 23 year old RJ and 3 first rounders and a pick swap for OG. I'll give em our picks.

I would give the RJ, the Dallas pick and our 2025 pick top-10 protected. Three picks is a bit much. RJ is a solid player. He just has to learn not to take perimeter shots. If the drive is not there, then pass. He does that then he is actually fairly solid. Toronto is the only team I see taking him. He is from there and they need a more diverse offensive player. OG is overall better but he is probably worse than RJ at creating a shot at the rim.

I seriously want to know how OG became worth so much. No disrespect, but those packages are the types of packages I would give for Jaylen Brown. Seriously, idk how much more OG is worth than RJ, if anything at all. RJ and a conditional pick swap maybe? Maybe RJ and a second rounder....? I'm not saying RJ is the best dude out there, but using him for some marginal upgrade (and i don't believe it is an upgrade...maybe just an exchange of opposite skill sets at best)is garbage.

joec32033 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:The idea that you should get back to the weight and body shape you had when you were 18 seems far fetched to me. Getting lighter, quicker, more flexible is another matter.

I did like him better at the 2. It’s a better matchup for him.

He had some of the same issues with shot selection and finishing at the rim that he struggles with now. I don't think it's physical. He needs the game to slow down some more. He needs to be more instinctual.

He isn't a good fit. Knicks would be better off with another Josh Hart. Guys that contribute without scoring. Grimes and Hart do that, RJ doesn't. Knicks need a 3 and D specialist that can guard Tatum, Giannis. OG is the perfect fit for this team.

I think you ignore how limited OG is on offense. RJ has shown the ability to carry the first team and the bench on offense. OG...

Don’t just take my word for it; let’s dive into the data. He is shooting an atrocious 35-110 FG (31.8 percent) on pull-up jump shots. When breaking it down by distance, he’s shooting 6-26 3P (23.1 percent) and 29-84 2P (34.5 percent). When simplifying it to his output of 0.653 points per possession on dribble jumpers, there isn’t a less efficient player among the 103 with at least 100 attempts. Again, he’s not a legitimate shot-creation threat.

I think 22 year old RJ improving his defense has a much higher probability than 25 year old OG developing his offense.

Just to be clear, this presupposes that OG’s offense doesn’t already surpass RJ’s, right? RJ’s offense suffers from a lack of guilt. A lack of accountability. How do you go 0-9 from 3 and still take 9 3s. I’ve said this before. He isn’t a good enough 3 point shooter to go 0-9 from 3. Pass the ball.

OG doesn’t put up huge numbers, but it’s not his role. He just shoots 38% from three with a 55% eFG and leads the league in steals from a wing position. I mean, yeah, I would make that swap all day.

If Toronto chooses to rebuild and let their free agents leave ( I mean what's the ceiling for their team as constructed with FVF,GTjr, Siakem, but all locking up their cap )maybe they take Canadian hero 23 year old RJ and 3 first rounders and a pick swap for OG. I'll give em our picks.

I would give the RJ, the Dallas pick and our 2025 pick top-10 protected. Three picks is a bit much. RJ is a solid player. He just has to learn not to take perimeter shots. If the drive is not there, then pass. He does that then he is actually fairly solid. Toronto is the only team I see taking him. He is from there and they need a more diverse offensive player. OG is overall better but he is probably worse than RJ at creating a shot at the rim.

I seriously want to know how OG became worth so much. No disrespect, but those packages are the types of packages I would give for Jaylen Brown. Seriously, idk how much more OG is worth than RJ, if anything at all. RJ and a conditional pick swap maybe? Maybe RJ and a second rounder....? I'm not saying RJ is the best dude out there, but using him for some marginal upgrade (and i don't believe it is an upgrade...maybe just an exchange of opposite skill sets at best)is garbage.

OG fits the roster much better. We don't need RJ hunting for shots. We have Brunson and Randle who shoot at a higher clip taking the bulk of the shots. OG is a much better defender and doesn't need the ball to help the team win. He can play off Brunson and Randle and defend top tier forwards. We would essentially be adding aother Hart to the roster. OG, Hart, and Grimes would be a great wing rotation

fishmike wrote:the roster has a lot of talent. I would like to Ingram or OG here and I think some package around RJ/McBride/Obi

I would want to upgrade the 3 or at least get a better fit and keep Grimes/IQ together

OG replaces RJ, Rokas replaces McBride, and we obtain a MLE or vet min to replace Obi. Plus we have future firsts if we want to trade for a player this draft. I like it. We would also have Evans expiring to trade with pics for a veteran bench player in his salary range.

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

Apologies but that's what I generally feel when I see posts like yours. I'm not an RJ apologist and everyone is tradeable, but you just don't throw young player assets in the garbage nor do you give up 3 first rounders to get rid of them for a 3 and D guy.

LivingLegend wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

Apologies but that's what I generally feel when I see posts like yours. I'm not an RJ apologist and everyone is tradeable, but you just don't throw young player assets in the garbage nor do you give up 3 first rounders to get rid of them for a 3 and D guy.

Who said throw him in the garbage and give up 1st rounders to get rid of him?

If your immediate thought is you have to attach multiple picks to move him - doesn’t sound like you value kid as much as you should.

Conclusion…your a bad person

Did you not read this thread? For instance on this very page the proposal was RJ and 3 FRPs for OG. You've also indicated we shouldn't be wasting time with RJ....that's basically saying to throw him away.

ccch wrote:He's just not that good. Hard to believe we wasted the 3rd overall pick on him. Who ever was responsible for that decision should be held accountable!

So at the very least in hindsight go back and discuss players we missed on instead.
Look at the draft, projections, and logic.
So how is Perry and the scouts to be "accountable"?

foosballnick wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

Apologies but that's what I generally feel when I see posts like yours. I'm not an RJ apologist and everyone is tradeable, but you just don't throw young player assets in the garbage nor do you give up 3 first rounders to get rid of them for a 3 and D guy.

Who said throw him in the garbage and give up 1st rounders to get rid of him?

If your immediate thought is you have to attach multiple picks to move him - doesn’t sound like you value kid as much as you should.

Conclusion…your a bad person

Did you not read this thread? For instance on this very page the proposal was RJ and 3 FRPs for OG. You've also indicated we shouldn't be wasting time with RJ....that's basically saying to throw him away.

Guess I didn’t read the whole thread - well guess we disagree some on RJ.