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11/18/2004  7:22 PM
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.


Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.

Charles Smith was always hurt, and at 21, Curry is still at a young enough age that his character can be managed.
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11/18/2004  7:31 PM
I want this deal to go down. Because Sweetney is being mistreated by the Knicks he is obviously much better than KT but they still won't start him. The best case senario would be Sweetney and Curry on the frontline but if the choice has to be made than I have to go with the center.

As for Curry he is a legit center there is no way the KNicks can pass up a guy like this. 6'11'' 285 lbs. He needs to be a Knick. His nubers aren't that bad either last year he was 15 points a game. He is only getting better and he is still young.
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11/18/2004  7:40 PM
Posted by Vmart:

I want this deal to go down. Because Sweetney is being mistreated by the Knicks he is obviously much better than KT but they still won't start him. The best case senario would be Sweetney and Curry on the frontline but if the choice has to be made than I have to go with the center.

As for Curry he is a legit center there is no way the KNicks can pass up a guy like this. 6'11'' 285 lbs. He needs to be a Knick. His nubers aren't that bad either last year he was 15 points a game. He is only getting better and he is still young.
Sweetney's not better than Kurt right now. Kurt's a far better low post defender. Eventually I expect Sweetney to pass Kurt, though, and ideally we'd have both Sweetney and Curry on the team, but there's no way we can get Curry without giving up Sweetney. I don't know if even Sweetney alone would be enough to get Curry
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11/18/2004  7:41 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.


Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.

Charles Smith was always hurt, and at 21, Curry is still at a young enough age that his character can be managed.

I dont know where you get your info but that simply isnt true.Smith wasnt always hurt,he was always soft."Managing his character"? He notoriously lazy and an underachiever,nothing to manage about that.The Bulls have the worst team record in almost 40 years,the stats he is putting up now means nothing.
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11/18/2004  7:46 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Vmart:

I want this deal to go down. Because Sweetney is being mistreated by the Knicks he is obviously much better than KT but they still won't start him. The best case senario would be Sweetney and Curry on the frontline but if the choice has to be made than I have to go with the center.

As for Curry he is a legit center there is no way the KNicks can pass up a guy like this. 6'11'' 285 lbs. He needs to be a Knick. His nubers aren't that bad either last year he was 15 points a game. He is only getting better and he is still young.
Sweetney's not better than Kurt right now. Kurt's a far better low post defender. Eventually I expect Sweetney to pass Kurt, though, and ideally we'd have both Sweetney and Curry on the team, but there's no way we can get Curry without giving up Sweetney. I don't know if even Sweetney alone would be enough to get Curry

Sweetney is better than KT just give him KT's minutes and watch the point pour in. Is it any wonder that Sweetney in 22 minutes out score KT who averages close to 14 minutes more than Sweetney. Its this kind of blindness that keeps KT in the starting lineup and not to mention his whinning.
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11/18/2004  8:08 PM
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.


Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.

Charles Smith was always hurt, and at 21, Curry is still at a young enough age that his character can be managed.

I dont know where you get your info but that simply isnt true.Smith wasnt always hurt,he was always soft."Managing his character"? He notoriously lazy and an underachiever,nothing to manage about that.The Bulls have the worst team record in almost 40 years,the stats he is putting up now means nothing.

I get this info from following his career. Just because he was soft doesn't mean he wasn't often hurt. If you don't know that, I can't help you. He had chronic knee problems that forced him to retire prematurely.

No one's character is set at 21. Sports history, let alone real life, is replete with examples of people who found themselves after 21. It's really a point that can't be disputed.
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11/18/2004  10:03 PM
It's absolutely ridiculous to trade Sweetney for a lazy, immature underachiever like Curry. Wow, another one of those? Curry is just another "potential" star the way TT was supposed to be a "potential" star. I'd rather bet on the potential of a hard working and mature kid like Sweetney over a loser like Curry any day of the week. Curry will just tease you with his "potential" until people start wising up and realizing that he is what he is, a waste of talent.

Why are some people already considering Ariza to be the starting SF in waiting? Yeah, he might start soon but it won't be justified based on ability, just another transparent Isiah move to put his 2nd rd pick in the starting lineup. Ariza can't shoot, can't play halfcourt defense and isn't strong enough to play the 3. He might in the future if he works extensively on his game but that remains to be seen in a big way. Being an NBA player is more than just cherry picking for easy baskets.
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11/18/2004  10:27 PM
They just said on TNT that they spoke with Isiah. He said that they have not talked about Sweetney in a couple of weeks and he is not willing to give up Sweetney. He said Sweetney was a vital part of this team and he is happy with the way this team is structured NOW (emphasizing "now").
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11/18/2004  10:45 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

They just said on TNT that they spoke with Isiah. He said that they have not talked about Sweetney in a couple of weeks and he is not willing to give up Sweetney. He said Sweetney was a vital part of this team and he is happy with the way this team is structured NOW (emphasizing "now").
I think he said he hadn't talked about *Curry* in a couple of weeks. He didn't mention anything about ever talking about Sweetney. It's hard to place too much trust in anything a GM tells the media, though.
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11/18/2004  10:55 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MaTT4281:

They just said on TNT that they spoke with Isiah. He said that they have not talked about Sweetney in a couple of weeks and he is not willing to give up Sweetney. He said Sweetney was a vital part of this team and he is happy with the way this team is structured NOW (emphasizing "now").
I think he said he hadn't talked about *Curry* in a couple of weeks. He didn't mention anything about ever talking about Sweetney. It's hard to place too much trust in anything a GM tells the media, though.

Ya, my bad. Got ahead of myself there. They haven't talked about Curry.
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11/18/2004  11:11 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.


Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.

Charles Smith was always hurt, and at 21, Curry is still at a young enough age that his character can be managed.

I dont know where you get your info but that simply isnt true.Smith wasnt always hurt,he was always soft."Managing his character"? He notoriously lazy and an underachiever,nothing to manage about that.The Bulls have the worst team record in almost 40 years,the stats he is putting up now means nothing.

I get this info from following his career. Just because he was soft doesn't mean he wasn't often hurt. If you don't know that, I can't help you. He had chronic knee problems that forced him to retire prematurely.

No one's character is set at 21. Sports history, let alone real life, is replete with examples of people who found themselves after 21. It's really a point that can't be disputed.

Sorry guy but you havent followed his career close enough because he wasnt that injury prone.He was soft though.As far as Curry,Id rather put my chips behind Sweetney who has shown to be a warrior than Curry who has been a couch potato
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11/18/2004  11:32 PM
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.


Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.

Charles Smith was always hurt, and at 21, Curry is still at a young enough age that his character can be managed.

I dont know where you get your info but that simply isnt true.Smith wasnt always hurt,he was always soft."Managing his character"? He notoriously lazy and an underachiever,nothing to manage about that.The Bulls have the worst team record in almost 40 years,the stats he is putting up now means nothing.

I get this info from following his career. Just because he was soft doesn't mean he wasn't often hurt. If you don't know that, I can't help you. He had chronic knee problems that forced him to retire prematurely.

No one's character is set at 21. Sports history, let alone real life, is replete with examples of people who found themselves after 21. It's really a point that can't be disputed.

Sorry guy but you havent followed his career close enough because he wasnt that injury prone.He was soft though.As far as Curry,Id rather put my chips behind Sweetney who has shown to be a warrior than Curry who has been a couch potato
Rich is right here; Smith tried to play through knee problems but retired when he couldn't
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11/18/2004  11:34 PM
Why are some people already considering Ariza to be the starting SF in waiting? Yeah, he might start soon but it won't be justified based on ability, just another transparent Isiah move to put his 2nd rd pick in the starting lineup. Ariza can't shoot, can't play halfcourt defense and isn't strong enough to play the 3.
If that's your interpretation of Ariza, you're either blind or *indiscriminately* against everything Isiah does (trades, draft picks, all decisions)
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11/18/2004  11:38 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.


Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.

Charles Smith was always hurt, and at 21, Curry is still at a young enough age that his character can be managed.

I dont know where you get your info but that simply isnt true.Smith wasnt always hurt,he was always soft."Managing his character"? He notoriously lazy and an underachiever,nothing to manage about that.The Bulls have the worst team record in almost 40 years,the stats he is putting up now means nothing.

I get this info from following his career. Just because he was soft doesn't mean he wasn't often hurt. If you don't know that, I can't help you. He had chronic knee problems that forced him to retire prematurely.

No one's character is set at 21. Sports history, let alone real life, is replete with examples of people who found themselves after 21. It's really a point that can't be disputed.

Sorry guy but you havent followed his career close enough because he wasnt that injury prone.He was soft though.As far as Curry,Id rather put my chips behind Sweetney who has shown to be a warrior than Curry who has been a couch potato
Rich is right here; Smith tried to play through knee problems but retired when he couldn't

Rich and Bonn are wrong because his injury was after the Knicks were out of contention,give it up.

[Edited by - kwazimodal on 11/18/2004 23:40:04]
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11/19/2004  12:15 AM
Stop embarassing yourself:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/1997/10/01/news.csmith.html

The 32-year-old Smith has played in as many as 80 games just once in a nine-year career. He missed 33 games in 1991-92 after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee, and was sidelined for 40 games in 1993-94 with cartilage damage in his left knee that also required surgery.
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11/19/2004  12:36 AM
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by TMS:

take a look at the numbers Curry put up late last season from 3/22 on...if Sweetney were ever to put these numbers up for any stretch, many of the posters on this board would be hailing him as the franchise:

3/22/04 30 points 9 rebounds
3/23/04 18 points 8 rebounds
3/26/04 12 points 7 rebounds
3/28/04 18 points 7 rebounds
3/29/04 24 points 14 rebounds
4/1/04 28 points 15 rebounds
4/2/04 15 points 4 rebounds
4/8/04 15 points 6 rebounds
4/9/04 20 points 7 rebounds
4/11/04 24 points 5 rebounds
4/13/04 10 points 5 rebounds
4/15/04 31 points 5 rebounds

Curry obviously needs to work on his rebounding, but the talent is obviously there...he can score in the low post...& guess what our biggest need is right now? a low post scoring option...we don't have 1.


Alot of people got excited about the numbers that charles smith was putting up with the clippers but what did he do when he got here? All I know is that this kid has a rep for being lazy and being an under achiever.Noone has accused Sweetney of this.

Charles Smith was always hurt, and at 21, Curry is still at a young enough age that his character can be managed.

I dont know where you get your info but that simply isnt true.Smith wasnt always hurt,he was always soft."Managing his character"? He notoriously lazy and an underachiever,nothing to manage about that.The Bulls have the worst team record in almost 40 years,the stats he is putting up now means nothing.

I get this info from following his career. Just because he was soft doesn't mean he wasn't often hurt. If you don't know that, I can't help you. He had chronic knee problems that forced him to retire prematurely.

No one's character is set at 21. Sports history, let alone real life, is replete with examples of people who found themselves after 21. It's really a point that can't be disputed.

Sorry guy but you havent followed his career close enough because he wasnt that injury prone.He was soft though.As far as Curry,Id rather put my chips behind Sweetney who has shown to be a warrior than Curry who has been a couch potato
Rich is right here; Smith tried to play through knee problems but retired when he couldn't

Rich and Bonn are wrong because his injury was after the Knicks were out of contention,give it up.

[Edited by - kwazimodal on 11/18/2004 23:40:04]

kwaz, I was there, he had bad knees all the way through his Knicks tenure.
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11/19/2004  12:45 AM
I wonder if the trade talk is what kept Sweets off his game tonight. Though, with the way KT was playing, he might not have had enough minutes to get going.
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11/19/2004  12:48 AM
We don't really know what's going on. Maybe Sweetney has a cold or maybe his hand injury is bothering him. It could be something simple like that.
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11/19/2004  12:56 AM
Posted by Rich:

Stop embarassing yourself:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/1997/10/01/news.csmith.html

The 32-year-old Smith has played in as many as 80 games just once in a nine-year career. He missed 33 games in 1991-92 after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee, and was sidelined for 40 games in 1993-94 with cartilage damage in his left knee that also required surgery.

Embarassing myself? You have got to be kidding me.Defending Charles Smith tells me that you didnt watch him play.If you did and you are still defending him tells me that you are mentally challenged.You cant pin him being stuffed by Jordan and Pippen in 93'on his knee because that wasnt a factor then.There were countless times when he
had an iso and he did nothing because he was too scared.

I remember him actually spinning around his defender once and I almost had a heart attack.Please,you can pull all the stats out of your azz you want it wont change the fact that Smith came here and was a major disappointment.
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11/19/2004  12:59 AM
Posted by Kwazimodal:
Posted by Rich:

Stop embarassing yourself:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/1997/10/01/news.csmith.html

The 32-year-old Smith has played in as many as 80 games just once in a nine-year career. He missed 33 games in 1991-92 after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee, and was sidelined for 40 games in 1993-94 with cartilage damage in his left knee that also required surgery.

Embarassing myself? You have got to be kidding me.Defending Charles Smith tells me that you didnt watch him play.If you did and you are still defending him tells me that you are mentally challenged.You cant pin him being stuffed by Jordan and Pippen in 93'on his knee because that wasnt a factor then.There were countless times when he
had an iso and he did nothing because he was too scared.

I remember him actually spinning around his defender once and I almost had a heart attack.Please,you can pull all the stats out of your azz you want it wont change the fact that Smith came here and was a major disappointment.
Kwaz, no one is defending the way Charles Smith played. What we are saying is that you're factually wrong to say that he didn't battle knee problems throughout msot of his career

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11/19/2004 01:00:00]
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