GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:IM fatigued by starphuching to think all players will transpose success going forward without consideration to age, health, and the dozens of factors that go into how that player succeeded.
Dray is and was great for the system and the players around him. Had in prime Durant. That makes 3 Sure Fire HOF players around him! Bogert was pretty darn good also. Dray was surrounded by shooters.

If we are doing yoot, lets get our own young version of Dray. Not a retread starphuch who will be want a big bag.

Who thinks all players can repeat their success on another team? Always a gamble, no sure thing. Grant Hill looked as close to a sure thing as any player in Orlando. Until he rolled his ankle. Dont believe trading for Green would be "Star... with 2 perennial all stars almost everyone thinks of, before Green.

Funny how those three HOFers were slightly above .500 without Green in the lineup. You can chalk it up to some statistical anomaly, or it could be something else. Like Draymond keeps the ball from sticking at a very high level. Thats what I remember the last Knicks championship doing very well.

As I said before, Id be happy with 2 good years from Green as a starter. Believe that he could shave a season off of however long it takes to contend. Draft a PF with a high pick in 23' to watch and learn from Green. In case Obi doesnt work out.

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Stop it, nobody saying Green is not the little engine that could. He missed played 46 games. He got in great shape and came back and they won a chip.
Klay played 32 games. He was good enough and they won a chip.
That don't mean bring him here. He wants to be paid. I get it. All money the same, would I trade him stright up for Randle and pay him 29 mil at age 36? And likely attach picks?
I'd think about it. I'd think who he is playing with and can also do much of that here.
Did anyone say he is not a HOF player himself?
Lets be rooted in some reality here. How much you want to pay him? He talks max. You going Max?

All the "little engine that could" could do was try. Not keep an offense moving with some of the greatest scorers that ever lived. Over the span of his career ( not just last season) they barely break .500 without him. You pay him compliments while diminishing his role in keeping GS from looking like the first 3 quarters of an all star game.

Id be willing to see the Knicks pay close to max to help very good scorers take their games to the
next level. Starphuching would be going for a player who is mostly about getting buckets. Green is mostly about defense, and sharing the rock. Believe the yoots could learn a few things from Green, and speed up the team's collective learning curve.

Green is the quintessential role player. The kind of player EVERY chip team needs in the roster. Hard working GLUE guy. Imo, If he was not playing along side two of the best shooters in the world, he would not be so heralded though. As there are many good role players that do the same but just don't have the talent around them to hand them a chip. Not knocking his defense and heart but it is what it is. In terms of individual ability, there are many others you would prefer having on the Knicks squad. Especially if we are talking adding him for the price rumored and expecting him to do what he did in GS here. We just don't have the pieces. With DG it would look like it did in GS when Curry and Thompson were out.

As for this past season, can be argued that Wiggins and Poole contributed more to the championship than DG. Also remember Iguodala and KD being a pretty big factor in the earlier championships.

I really doubt that Quinn would call Green an early candidate for MVP (before he got hurt) for any other reason than how he sees Green's impact on the Warriors. You chide other posters for acting like they know more than head coaches. You have a good one saying that he is much more important to the team's success than you give Dray credit for. Its his play and leadership.

Nets got swept last playoffs with 2 of the 5 best players in the league, because its not just about filling a stat sheet.

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote: got

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:IM fatigued by starphuching to think all players will transpose success going forward without consideration to age, health, and the dozens of factors that go into how that player succeeded.
Dray is and was great for the system and the players around him. Had in prime Durant. That makes 3 Sure Fire HOF players around him! Bogert was pretty darn good also. Dray was surrounded by shooters.

If we are doing yoot, lets get our own young version of Dray. Not a retread starphuch who will be want a big bag.

Who thinks all players can repeat their success on another team? Always a gamble, no sure thing. Grant Hill looked as close to a sure thing as any player in Orlando. Until he rolled his ankle. Dont believe trading for Green would be "Star... with 2 perennial all stars almost everyone thinks of, before Green.

Funny how those three HOFers were slightly above .500 without Green in the lineup. You can chalk it up to some statistical anomaly, or it could be something else. Like Draymond keeps the ball from sticking at a very high level. Thats what I remember the last Knicks championship doing very well.

As I said before, Id be happy with 2 good years from Green as a starter. Believe that he could shave a season off of however long it takes to contend. Draft a PF with a high pick in 23' to watch and learn from Green. In case Obi doesnt work out.

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Stop it, nobody saying Green is not the little engine that could. He missed played 46 games. He got in great shape and came back and they won a chip.
Klay played 32 games. He was good enough and they won a chip.
That don't mean bring him here. He wants to be paid. I get it. All money the same, would I trade him stright up for Randle and pay him 29 mil at age 36? And likely attach picks?
I'd think about it. I'd think who he is playing with and can also do much of that here.
Did anyone say he is not a HOF player himself?
Lets be rooted in some reality here. How much you want to pay him? He talks max. You going Max?

All the "little engine that could" could do was try. Not keep an offense moving with some of the greatest scorers that ever lived. Over the span of his career ( not just last season) they barely break .500 without him. You pay him compliments while diminishing his role in keeping GS from looking like the first 3 quarters of an all star game.

Id be willing to see the Knicks pay close to max to help very good scorers take their games to the
next level. Starphuching would be going for a player who is mostly about getting buckets. Green is mostly about defense, and sharing the rock. Believe the yoots could learn a few things from Green, and speed up the team's collective learning curve.

Green is the quintessential role player. The kind of player EVERY chip team needs in the roster. Hard working GLUE guy. Imo, If he was not playing along side two of the best shooters in the world, he would not be so heralded though. As there are many good role players that do the same but just don't have the talent around them to hand them a chip. Not knocking his defense and heart but it is what it is. In terms of individual ability, there are many others you would prefer having on the Knicks squad. Especially if we are talking adding him for the price rumored and expecting him to do what he did in GS here. We just don't have the pieces. With DG it would look like it did in GS when Curry and Thompson were out.

As for this past season, can be argued that Wiggins and Poole contributed more to the championship than DG. Also remember Iguodala and KD being a pretty big factor in the earlier championships.

KnickDanger wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:So haters need a whipping boy….Payton left and then it was Randle…if Randle plays well who is next in line? Fournier? Or if Brunson starts slow. Or anyone….

Call it whatever you want. Hate? Ok. Last I checked Elf wasn’t even on an nba roster after barely being a 12th man in Phoenix last season

The criticisms of Randle are absolutely fair. He’s a ball stopper with a very bad contract who has yet to adjust his game to be more of an off ball player. I’d love to eat crow about Randle next season I hope he proves me wrong because it means we are a 4-5 seed by January but I don’t see it happening

In the modern parlance I would ascribe the term "hate" -- obsessive, constant, and narrow criticism without acknowledging positives. When virtually every thread turns into "I hate Randle trade Randle for ball sweat." When rather than pull for one's team, the preference is to trash your last all star. If being a 'homer" is the converse of that then gladly.

The problem is the positives with Randle is he fills a box score. Ok, great, he’s essentially Sharif Abdur-Rahim, Al Jefferson or Zach Randolph for much of his career. Double doubles every night but more L’s than W’s