smackeddog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I am not so sure anymore. Mitchell's d is helped by his absurd 6'10 wingspan and he is top 10 in steals. We could and should see an improvement on that end playing for Thibs.With the new rule on fast break fouls that could prove to be immensely valuable. It could catapult our offense. But we would have to fully commit to a run and gun style. It's actually not so far fetched as we have already upped our pace last season

Mitchell needs the ball in his hands. I don’t see him playing well off ball. We are going to need 3 basketballs when Mitch, Randle and Brunson are all on the court

I don't really think this as a problem. 2 guards that can create and play off the ball. I mean I hated the Bad Boys but Popcorn Man and Dumars were awesome. I don't think Donovan will be exposed in defense playing the 2 either. Dude is the biggest 6'1" basketball player I have ever seen. I mean he plays big and the 6'10" wingspan is absurd. The only question to me would RJ be able to handle guarding the 3 spot in a consistent basis. Then again not a lot of post guys anymore so I don't think that will be a problem either.

To me, as long as we don't give a ton for Donovan then I see this as a win.

But Ainge wants the farm plus

Mitchell’s game is driving to the basket and stopping and popping. That would be fine but we now have Brunson. We need catch and shoot 3 and D guys who can hit at a high percentage

Katz was saying on the KFS podcast that he'd asked around and most front offices he asked about Ainge's negotiating style in trades said the same thing- essentially he doesn't negotiate, he just sets out his high price and leaves it to them to meet it. Clashing with Roses front office style of essentially having a bottom line he doesn't cross, leaves me thinking this trade just isn't going to happen and never was as close as the media made out. Probably just ends up in a few weeks as the standard, patented media cycle of:

Player x is heading to the Knicks! -----> Fans start to believe it based on all the coverage-----> Player x doesn't come to the Knicks ------> LOL! Knicks fans thought they were going to get player x! What idiots!"

They fooled me for a few days this time though, I'll admit

If Ainge takes back Randle while giving us Mitchell he can have 6x first round picks

Philc1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I am not so sure anymore. Mitchell's d is helped by his absurd 6'10 wingspan and he is top 10 in steals. We could and should see an improvement on that end playing for Thibs.With the new rule on fast break fouls that could prove to be immensely valuable. It could catapult our offense. But we would have to fully commit to a run and gun style. It's actually not so far fetched as we have already upped our pace last season

Mitchell needs the ball in his hands. I don’t see him playing well off ball. We are going to need 3 basketballs when Mitch, Randle and Brunson are all on the court

I don't really think this as a problem. 2 guards that can create and play off the ball. I mean I hated the Bad Boys but Popcorn Man and Dumars were awesome. I don't think Donovan will be exposed in defense playing the 2 either. Dude is the biggest 6'1" basketball player I have ever seen. I mean he plays big and the 6'10" wingspan is absurd. The only question to me would RJ be able to handle guarding the 3 spot in a consistent basis. Then again not a lot of post guys anymore so I don't think that will be a problem either.

To me, as long as we don't give a ton for Donovan then I see this as a win.

But Ainge wants the farm plus

Mitchell’s game is driving to the basket and stopping and popping. That would be fine but we now have Brunson. We need catch and shoot 3 and D guys who can hit at a high percentage

Katz was saying on the KFS podcast that he'd asked around and most front offices he asked about Ainge's negotiating style in trades said the same thing- essentially he doesn't negotiate, he just sets out his high price and leaves it to them to meet it. Clashing with Roses front office style of essentially having a bottom line he doesn't cross, leaves me thinking this trade just isn't going to happen and never was as close as the media made out. Probably just ends up in a few weeks as the standard, patented media cycle of:

Player x is heading to the Knicks! -----> Fans start to believe it based on all the coverage-----> Player x doesn't come to the Knicks ------> LOL! Knicks fans thought they were going to get player x! What idiots!"

They fooled me for a few days this time though, I'll admit

If Ainge takes back Randle while giving us Mitchell he can have 6x first round picks

Actually if Ainge wants to tank, Randle should be worth picks coming to us!

doomed wrote:scarred and poisoned knicks fans have been staring at 35 win talent bases for the last 100 years. A guy wants to be here but nope, we're too scared to trade for the best player this team would possess since Melo. Why? because Melo didn't win 60 games here year after year, for a decade. All because the Knicks were idiotic in how they staged things AFTER the Melo trade.... so it will happen again right?

Never mind that we aren't getting a better player than Mitchell anytime soon, if EVER. Nope, lets wait and sit on a bunch of ok players.

Enjoy purgatory.

Or we could enjoy NOT doing the same old crap that put us in purgatory. You know, like trading picks and young players for that sugar rush to appease, uh, certain types of fans. And then get to witness young players develop while accumulating more assets instead of squandering them for more mediocrity. Yeah, I know, no fun in that.

KnickDanger wrote:

doomed wrote:scarred and poisoned knicks fans have been staring at 35 win talent bases for the last 100 years. A guy wants to be here but nope, we're too scared to trade for the best player this team would possess since Melo. Why? because Melo didn't win 60 games here year after year, for a decade. All because the Knicks were idiotic in how they staged things AFTER the Melo trade.... so it will happen again right?

Never mind that we aren't getting a better player than Mitchell anytime soon, if EVER. Nope, lets wait and sit on a bunch of ok players.

Enjoy purgatory.

Or we could enjoy NOT doing the same old crap that put us in purgatory. You know, like trading picks and young players for that sugar rush to appease, uh, certain types of fans. And then get to witness young players develop while accumulating more assets instead of squandering them for more mediocrity. Yeah, I know, no fun in that.

By “certain types of fans” I guess you mean James Dolan circa 2000-2008?

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

doomed wrote:scarred and poisoned knicks fans have been staring at 35 win talent bases for the last 100 years. A guy wants to be here but nope, we're too scared to trade for the best player this team would possess since Melo. Why? because Melo didn't win 60 games here year after year, for a decade. All because the Knicks were idiotic in how they staged things AFTER the Melo trade.... so it will happen again right?

Never mind that we aren't getting a better player than Mitchell anytime soon, if EVER. Nope, lets wait and sit on a bunch of ok players.

Enjoy purgatory.

Or we could enjoy NOT doing the same old crap that put us in purgatory. You know, like trading picks and young players for that sugar rush to appease, uh, certain types of fans. And then get to witness young players develop while accumulating more assets instead of squandering them for more mediocrity. Yeah, I know, no fun in that.

By “certain types of fans” I guess you mean James Dolan circa 2000-2008?

Oh yeah that's exactly what I meant. Getting in the time machine and focusing strictly on James Dolan in that era. Not the ADHD I want a shiny toy fans of today and the "do whatever it takes to get Westbrook" media gasbags that lead them by the nose.

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

doomed wrote:scarred and poisoned knicks fans have been staring at 35 win talent bases for the last 100 years. A guy wants to be here but nope, we're too scared to trade for the best player this team would possess since Melo. Why? because Melo didn't win 60 games here year after year, for a decade. All because the Knicks were idiotic in how they staged things AFTER the Melo trade.... so it will happen again right?

Never mind that we aren't getting a better player than Mitchell anytime soon, if EVER. Nope, lets wait and sit on a bunch of ok players.

Enjoy purgatory.

Or we could enjoy NOT doing the same old crap that put us in purgatory. You know, like trading picks and young players for that sugar rush to appease, uh, certain types of fans. And then get to witness young players develop while accumulating more assets instead of squandering them for more mediocrity. Yeah, I know, no fun in that.

By “certain types of fans” I guess you mean James Dolan circa 2000-2008?

Oh yeah that's exactly what I meant. Getting in the time machine and focusing strictly on James Dolan in that era. Not the ADHD I want a shiny toy fans of today and the "do whatever it takes to get Westbrook" media gasbags that lead them by the nose.

Westbrook is our only way of getting rid of Randle. Problem is lakers know Randle

Thats what makes you so special as a fan on the uk. Your not lead by media gasbags, you lead yourself.

Here is a preview of next season. If Randle is still here and not performing you’ll get like no cred for it no matter what you promote. Reason is, we are not here for cred. We want the team to succeed.
If the team is well in the playoff hunt and he performs as a team asset you’ll be the leading face of the Knick fan who is a band wagon half glass empty type.

Others give reasons. You just blab.

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

doomed wrote:scarred and poisoned knicks fans have been staring at 35 win talent bases for the last 100 years. A guy wants to be here but nope, we're too scared to trade for the best player this team would possess since Melo. Why? because Melo didn't win 60 games here year after year, for a decade. All because the Knicks were idiotic in how they staged things AFTER the Melo trade.... so it will happen again right?

Never mind that we aren't getting a better player than Mitchell anytime soon, if EVER. Nope, lets wait and sit on a bunch of ok players.

Enjoy purgatory.

Or we could enjoy NOT doing the same old crap that put us in purgatory. You know, like trading picks and young players for that sugar rush to appease, uh, certain types of fans. And then get to witness young players develop while accumulating more assets instead of squandering them for more mediocrity. Yeah, I know, no fun in that.

By “certain types of fans” I guess you mean James Dolan circa 2000-2008?

Oh yeah that's exactly what I meant. Getting in the time machine and focusing strictly on James Dolan in that era. Not the ADHD I want a shiny toy fans of today and the "do whatever it takes to get Westbrook" media gasbags that lead them by the nose.

Westbrook is our only way of getting rid of Randle. Problem is lakers know Randle

Thats what makes you so special as a fan on the uk. Your not lead by media gasbags, you lead yourself.

Here is a preview of next season. If Randle is still here and not performing you’ll get like no cred for it no matter what you promote. Reason is, we are not here for cred. We want the team to succeed.
If the team is well in the playoff hunt and he performs as a team asset you’ll be the leading face of the Knick fan who is a band wagon half glass empty type.

Others give reasons. You just blab.

Phil's logic too often flows into the objective mode. He is not just blabbing more times than not, imho

Perhaps your right. Contridictions do exist so the blabbing is perhaps over stated. There is drivel, Bolderdash and ballyhoo as well. To be fair, and IM not, I do respond when he is on cue when so.