blkexec wrote:joec32033 wrote:blkexec wrote:Ok can someone explain what’s the point in comparing Grimes and Donovan? Grimes right now is a solid complimentary player who fits with other volume shooters. And he’s a 3andD SG / SF.Donovan is a SG/ PG and a volume shooter. His value is on offense. He’s a walking bucket.
Grimes impact on a team is different from Donovan.
We need balance. Donovan is a repeat of RJ and Randle but a much better version. All three of these guys put up a lot of shots and when they not putting up shots, there value drops.
Grimes can be a volume shooter. He’s a gun slinger not afraid to shoot. He can be a lead guard because he has the offensive mentality to grow in that area. In the meantime he can impact a game without putting up a lot of shots. This is why Bullock was a perfect fit for this team that already has several players who put up shots. Now add Brunson and you have a 3rd volume shooter next to RJ and Randle.
I understand some think grimes can be or is better than Donovan. To me it’s because they hold more value in fit and who can impact without leading the team in attempts. If that’s your value then sure Grimes is better for this team than Donovan. But that’s really not the problem.
The problem is Donovan would be the best volume shooter on the team. And it just highlights how we value RJ and Randle. Personally I rather have Donovan than RJ. Similar to what Miami is doing with hero, by shopping him around instead of giving him the max. I think we should do the same with RJ or Randle. I’m not sure RJ will live up to a max contract. Hero to me is a better offensive player and RJ is better at attacking the basket. But both of these guys are flawed. Now that we have JB who attacks the basket. Randle attacks the basket. Trading RJ is not popular and Utah doesn’t want him, but that’s the real problem it’s not grimes. Will RJ reach Donovan level, if my question. Both weak on defense and both depend on their scoring to impact.
100% agree on comparing Grimes and Donovan. Although I am higher on Donovan's potential (I see him as a Wade clone ceiling ) I get that he hasn't truly shown out yet. Grimes, I really like. I see him as a combo 1 2 small ball 3. Almost Ron Harper-like, or in that mold.
I have always looked at RJ's ceiling as Paul Pierce with defense. That that really is the player is see when looking at him. When talking about 1A stars and all that there are few in the league. He'll, Garnett, Pierce, and Allan all needed each other. And the league morphed to needing a super team and may be now heading away from that.
RJ may not be able to be THE lead dog on a championship team, but I think he can be a Co-lead dog. And that has to to with attitude, demeanor, and mentality as much as talent.
And personally I wish they built this team like the Celtics with RJ and Cam filling the Tatum and Brown roles. But that is just me.
Donovan is still young so I agree with his ceiling. But like wade, he’s not winning anything without Lebron or Shaq. And to me Wade by himself was not good enough to move the needle for that team. I fear that if we over pay for Donovan the team will be depleted.
True. Soo here's my thing. I don't care about draft picks. They are becoming common currency in trades and its like a game. Either you trade good players for first round picks or bad players for 2nd round picks or straight out buy 2nd round picks then enough 2nd round picks can get you a first round pick. It is literally like a video game.
This regime said the draft is a vehicle. They are looking to trade and sign and the draft is just a tool. Now I know the plan. So I am all for trading picks. With all the loopholes to sign players (MLE, minimum contracts, Bird rules, trade exemptions), there are more than enough ways to stock the cupboard.
Me...I wish we could Mitch Robinson in a trade (never high on him)...barring that
McBride, Cam (if Thibs really hates him), Fournier or Randolph maybe 2 unprotected picks, another 2 picks from the war chest and like 4 second rounders.
