Jimbo5 wrote:The rockets are open to trading the 3rd overall pick. With orlando and the thunder most likely getting one of the 3 bigmens, at #3, Ivey might still be available. Im ok for the knicks to stay and pick at 11 but what might be the price of moving up to 3 to get Ivey? This might be a good opportunity to secure a franchise PG.

In the past this knicks FO showed everyone the ability to move down and still get an impact player, can this be the year they show fans they can also move up the draft to get a PG target?

It would take too much, especially when our strongest card is the 11th overall pick.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:The rockets are open to trading the 3rd overall pick. With orlando and the thunder most likely getting one of the 3 bigmens, at #3, Ivey might still be available. Im ok for the knicks to stay and pick at 11 but what might be the price of moving up to 3 to get Ivey? This might be a good opportunity to secure a franchise PG.

In the past this knicks FO showed everyone the ability to move down and still get an impact player, can this be the year they show fans they can also move up the draft to get a PG target?

It would take too much, especially when our strongest card is the 11th overall pick.

Looking at the knicks roster, just from the last 2 drafts the team already have a number of young promising players and a coach how loves his veterans, could the FO be willing to send out multiple(2) 1st and a couple of 2nd rounders for next year's draft if they are assured to get Ivey.

If it is possible to get Ivey, can the FO go all in on trading for Mitchell or trying to sign Lavin away from the bulls. They must resign Mitch or get an equally capable replacement. Could that complete the team's rebuild?

franco12 wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:The rockets are open to trading the 3rd overall pick. With orlando and the thunder most likely getting one of the 3 bigmens, at #3, Ivey might still be available. Im ok for the knicks to stay and pick at 11 but what might be the price of moving up to 3 to get Ivey? This might be a good opportunity to secure a franchise PG.

In the past this knicks FO showed everyone the ability to move down and still get an impact player, can this be the year they show fans they can also move up the draft to get a PG target?

It would take too much, especially when our strongest card is the 11th overall pick.

Looking at the knicks roster, just from the last 2 drafts the team already have a number of young promising players and a coach how loves his veterans, could the FO be willing to send out multiple(2) 1st and a couple of 2nd rounders for next year's draft if they are assured to get Ivey.

If it is possible to get Ivey, can the FO go all in on trading for Mitchell or trying to sign Lavin away from the bulls. They must resign Mitch or get an equally capable replacement. Could that complete the team's rebuild?

I feel like we're closer to having to blow it up than complete a team's rebuild.

Who exactly is the best player on our roster and how do they compare to the stars of the teams currently in the play offs? And the one's that made it?

Randle? A good % of fans want him gone, and he had 1 exceptional year and reverted.

RJ - young, inefficient and about to get paid big money and I can't say if he is worthy of that pay day or not.

IQ - is a PG or a scoring guard - maybe our best talent - but compared to Maxey, as good?

There is no star on this team that can get us into the play offs.

Maybe Thibs grind it out style will work to get us into the playoffs, but I see first round exits.

I know a lot of development is focused first on getting into the playoffs, I just don't see it with this team, and it is very depressing.

And none of the rumored S&T/trades out there (Mitchell, Brunson) actually do anything to materially change these prospects.

Then there is nothing to really blow up then?
Your putting a lot of stock in IVY assuming with relative certainty he pans out. Fans distain for Randle is easily forgiven if he performs better. Not much really, he avg’d 20-10 and obviously winning matters. Turnovers matter, as does attitude which is not blown out of proportion. Suns got booed. True, CP3 did not put his thumb down.
Im not here to say everything is great, but Randle’s situation is not as dire as many paint, RJ not complete, IQ is getting a lot of love with OBI by fans, and we discount Thibs after his COY season.

I can see us rolling it back largely unchanged as much as seeing a big turnover if deals start flowing our way.

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:The rockets are open to trading the 3rd overall pick. With orlando and the thunder most likely getting one of the 3 bigmens, at #3, Ivey might still be available. Im ok for the knicks to stay and pick at 11 but what might be the price of moving up to 3 to get Ivey? This might be a good opportunity to secure a franchise PG.

In the past this knicks FO showed everyone the ability to move down and still get an impact player, can this be the year they show fans they can also move up the draft to get a PG target?

It would take too much, especially when our strongest card is the 11th overall pick.

Looking at the knicks roster, just from the last 2 drafts the team already have a number of young promising players and a coach how loves his veterans, could the FO be willing to send out multiple(2) 1st and a couple of 2nd rounders for next year's draft if they are assured to get Ivey.

If it is possible to get Ivey, can the FO go all in on trading for Mitchell or trying to sign Lavin away from the bulls. They must resign Mitch or get an equally capable replacement. Could that complete the team's rebuild?

I feel like we're closer to having to blow it up than complete a team's rebuild.

Who exactly is the best player on our roster and how do they compare to the stars of the teams currently in the play offs? And the one's that made it?

Randle? A good % of fans want him gone, and he had 1 exceptional year and reverted.

RJ - young, inefficient and about to get paid big money and I can't say if he is worthy of that pay day or not.

IQ - is a PG or a scoring guard - maybe our best talent - but compared to Maxey, as good?

There is no star on this team that can get us into the play offs.

Maybe Thibs grind it out style will work to get us into the playoffs, but I see first round exits.

I know a lot of development is focused first on getting into the playoffs, I just don't see it with this team, and it is very depressing.

And none of the rumored S&T/trades out there (Mitchell, Brunson) actually do anything to materially change these prospects.

Then there is nothing to really blow up then?
Your putting a lot of stock in IVY assuming with relative certainty he pans out. Fans distain for Randle is easily forgiven if he performs better. Not much really, he avg’d 20-10 and obviously winning matters. Turnovers matter, as does attitude which is not blown out of proportion. Suns got booed. True, CP3 did not put his thumb down.
Im not here to say everything is great, but Randle’s situation is not as dire as many paint, RJ not complete, IQ is getting a lot of love with OBI by fans, and we discount Thibs after his COY season.

I can see us rolling it back largely unchanged as much as seeing a big turnover if deals start flowing our way.

I am not putting any stock in Ivey. Roll this back, what is the result? Another late lottery pick?

Knicks had an incredibly down year, like the opposite of 2 seasons ago.

I personally am OK with rolling it back while making some tweaks. As awful as the Knicks played, they were only 7 wins behind the 8th seed. And that is without a starting PG, without their main backup PG, with Mitch needing more than half season to get in shape, without Noel, and with the young kids of IQ/Obi finding their way. And with RJ missing most all his FT's for the first half of year.

So yes, no need to break the bank. Make some smart trades if they are there. Start IQ and know Rose will be healthy to start the season. Know Fournier finally knows his role. Know Kemba is gone.

This is called growing internally.

If you can't get good value for Burks, Randle, Noel in a trade... pump them up and then trade them mid season.

ToddTT wrote:The NBA needs a new draft lottery system based on an organization’s pain score, not just the record for the latest season.

The question is what factors into the score.

Right! NY would win every year. Even if they made finals.

Nalod wrote:LOL, like other teams fans feel no pain? Indy? Good base there. No titles since ABA. Three with the last in 1973.
They like us. How does it suck to live in Indy and be a hoop fan and not win shyt. At least NY fans get other perks.
ATL? Not since they were in St Louis a very very long time ago.
Magic? Never.
OKC? Not since seattle, and they don't even try anymore.
Philly? Dr J says hello. 1983
Clt/Pels/Bobcats- Never. Team is over 30 years old. Same for Orlando, and Minny.
Nets dont' have fans I suppose?
Nuggetts. Never. Not even in the ABA. Nada.
Jazz? non since 1974 inception.
Clippers/Braves? They played in Buffalo, they should be grateful they even had a team. Same when they moved to San Diego. Imagine, you play in Buffalo then move there.
LA had Lakers and Clippers owned by Racist dick, so we don't care.
Suns. even when Colangelo owned them. Never.
Grizzlies. They played in Vancuver Nice city BTW.
Other than Hawks and Clippers/Braves the others were not NBA teams.
We at least have two. BLazers just one since 1977. That can't feel good. They don't have Giants, Yankees, hockey teams that win once in a while, to feel good with.
Bullets/Wiz? Not since 1978.
Sonics/Thunder? 1979.

Seems like Jazz should make a deal for chet. Just seem like a good fit for that demographic. Kid looks like a genetic hot mess.

None of those things caused me any pain!

I probably should have been more specific.

ToddTT wrote:The NBA needs a new draft lottery system based on an organization’s pain score, not just the record for the latest season.

The question is what factors into the score.

I've said it before. The lottery should average the past 3 years. That would pretty much eliminate tanking and also good teams getting a high pick in the year their star is injured like GS recently and San Antonio getting Duncan.

Panos wrote:

ToddTT wrote:The NBA needs a new draft lottery system based on an organization’s pain score, not just the record for the latest season.

The question is what factors into the score.

I've said it before. The lottery should average the past 3 years. That would pretty much eliminate tanking and also good teams getting a high pick in the year their star is injured like GS recently and San Antonio getting Duncan.

There is a flaw to the weighted system you propose. You don’t know which team is in a down turn. And the severity of injury to Star players. Also prior to Ewing becoming a Knick they won 24,47 and 44 games with the weighted system they would not have drafted Ewing. Also the severity of Bernard King’s injury was not a one year thing. The approach should be every year should be a separate entity.

minimum it should have adjustments to address cost of living and taxes. In addition bad teams should get more cap.

Philc1 wrote:
I remember the 1996 draft. The clowns in the media were mocking anyone for even considering taking a high school kid like Kobe Bryant. Calipari said “hold on guys, I know he’s only in high school but he’s only one year younger than Allen Iverson who is going first overall”. Kobe was drafted 13th overall and traded for Vlade Divac

This means that at #11 you not only pick the best player available, but also the best prospect available. I.e., someone whose potential has the highest ceiling, despite existing flaws and question marks. I.e., picking a Kevin Knox over Mikal Bridges.

I am personally down with this, but the sentiment of Knick fandom has been very different in recent years.