foosballnick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

There will likely be only 5 Teams that will have projected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

1 Orlando Magic - $28.2 M
2 Detroit Pistons - $25.7 M
3 Indiana Pacers - $25.1 M
4 San Antonio Spurs - $22.8 M
5 Portland Trail Blazers - $21.1 M

The Knicks are projected to be over the cap by ~$5M. That would mean they would need to clear >$27 M in order to be able to sign Brunson as an UFA to a $22M per year (cap hit) deal.

Perhaps be more specific on how you think your recommended approach will possibly work given the circumstances and teams shown above - because I'm not seeing it as a possibility.

Its an absolute pipedream and I cant grasp why folks think it can happen for any reasonable price.

Brunson is good. We can trade picks and young guys so Thibs can play him 40 mins a night

sidsanders wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Brunson gets a max for a good year/excellent series? I don't know. What does that come to? Does every good player get a max now?

Remember when Isaiah Thomas gave Jerome James a five-year, $60 million dollar deal after 11 solid playoff games? Good Times

brunson is, i hope for him and the knicks if he shows up here, better than jj. it is still a valid cautionary tale. does dallas take heat for not signing him before or did they see enough prior that he was not motivated/good enough/limited/etc? is he playing for his $ and will go back into a shell?

Brunson had a very good regular season and playoffs

Jerome James got a payday from Isiah because he like one good playoff series

This is not a great comparison. If anything, Chris Childs is a better comp

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

There will likely be only 5 Teams that will have projected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

1 Orlando Magic - $28.2 M
2 Detroit Pistons - $25.7 M
3 Indiana Pacers - $25.1 M
4 San Antonio Spurs - $22.8 M
5 Portland Trail Blazers - $21.1 M

The Knicks are projected to be over the cap by ~$5M. That would mean they would need to clear >$27 M in order to be able to sign Brunson as an UFA to a $22M per year (cap hit) deal.

Perhaps be more specific on how you think your recommended approach will possibly work given the circumstances and teams shown above - because I'm not seeing it as a possibility.

Of that list Spurs and Pistons are most likely to sign Brunson

And let's be honest, all of those teams with even a bit of cap space have a ton of PGs and wing players already, so the likelihood Jalen gets that fat, juicy contract offer from those particular teams (barring any other movement) is doubtful but you never know.

martin wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

There will likely be only 5 Teams that will have projected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

1 Orlando Magic - $28.2 M
2 Detroit Pistons - $25.7 M
3 Indiana Pacers - $25.1 M
4 San Antonio Spurs - $22.8 M
5 Portland Trail Blazers - $21.1 M

The Knicks are projected to be over the cap by ~$5M. That would mean they would need to clear >$27 M in order to be able to sign Brunson as an UFA to a $22M per year (cap hit) deal.

Perhaps be more specific on how you think your recommended approach will possibly work given the circumstances and teams shown above - because I'm not seeing it as a possibility.

FYI I don't think those totals include cap holds or possible draft picks (upwards of ~$8-10M for top 3 picks).

I was being generous to Knixkik. It's true that the list is only "Potential Practical Cap Space" which can only really happen after moves to free up the space - all of which will be unlikely. My point was that it is way too overly optimistic to think the Knicks will be able to trade cast offs and picks to free up space when even the most optimistic options are very narrow for this to happen. The only path I see is a S&T with the Mavs.

TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

There will likely be only 5 Teams that will have projected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

1 Orlando Magic - $28.2 M
2 Detroit Pistons - $25.7 M
3 Indiana Pacers - $25.1 M
4 San Antonio Spurs - $22.8 M
5 Portland Trail Blazers - $21.1 M

The Knicks are projected to be over the cap by ~$5M. That would mean they would need to clear >$27 M in order to be able to sign Brunson as an UFA to a $22M per year (cap hit) deal.

Perhaps be more specific on how you think your recommended approach will possibly work given the circumstances and teams shown above - because I'm not seeing it as a possibility.

FYI I don't think those totals include cap holds or possible draft picks (upwards of ~$8-10M for top 3 picks).

I was being generous to Knixkik. It's true that the list is only "Potential Practical Cap Space" which can only really happen after moves to free up the space - all of which will be unlikely. My point was that it is way too overly optimistic to think the Knicks will be able to trade cast offs and picks to free up space when even the most optimistic options are very narrow for this to happen. The only path I see is a S&T with the Mavs.

Its worth noting that the players we'd be giving up to free up cap space are still valuable...Specifically Burks and Noel. Not to mention they only have 1 year left on their contracts. Shouldn't cost more than a 2nd rnd pick for them to absorb them. Though, I'd be sad to see Burks go if I'm being honest.

This FO's strength is CLEARLY drafting. We should stick with that. Cut Kemba. Draft the BPAs. Run the same team back next year under the premise that key guys under performed (Randle), that key guys were out (Rose), key guys battling injury (Mitch/Noel), and key guys we expect to take steps forward in their roles and development (RJ/IQ/Obi). You start IQ/RJ/Burks and brings Fournier/Rose off the bench. Fournier is a better Jordan Clarkson... we should play him in that role

TPercy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

martin wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

There will likely be only 5 Teams that will have projected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

1 Orlando Magic - $28.2 M
2 Detroit Pistons - $25.7 M
3 Indiana Pacers - $25.1 M
4 San Antonio Spurs - $22.8 M
5 Portland Trail Blazers - $21.1 M

The Knicks are projected to be over the cap by ~$5M. That would mean they would need to clear >$27 M in order to be able to sign Brunson as an UFA to a $22M per year (cap hit) deal.

Perhaps be more specific on how you think your recommended approach will possibly work given the circumstances and teams shown above - because I'm not seeing it as a possibility.

FYI I don't think those totals include cap holds or possible draft picks (upwards of ~$8-10M for top 3 picks).

I was being generous to Knixkik. It's true that the list is only "Potential Practical Cap Space" which can only really happen after moves to free up the space - all of which will be unlikely. My point was that it is way too overly optimistic to think the Knicks will be able to trade cast offs and picks to free up space when even the most optimistic options are very narrow for this to happen. The only path I see is a S&T with the Mavs.

Its worth noting that the players we'd be giving up to free up cap space are still valuable...Specifically Burks and Noel. Not to mention they only have 1 year left on their contracts. Shouldn't cost more than a 2nd rnd pick for them to absorb them. Though, I'd be sad to see Burks go if I'm being honest.

Burks is an absolute keeper. He's a good BB player who makes everyone better and hits big shots. He's not a PG, but he and IQ are fantastic together and good on both sides of the ball.

This FO's strength is CLEARLY drafting. We should stick with that. Cut Kemba. Draft the BPAs. Run the same team back next year under the premise that key guys under performed (Randle), that key guys were out (Rose), key guys battling injury (Mitch/Noel), and key guys we expect to take steps forward in their roles and development (RJ/IQ/Obi). You start IQ/RJ/Burks and brings Fournier/Rose off the bench. Fournier is a better Jordan Clarkson... we should play him in that role

I'm inclined to agree. Most cost efficient way of fixing any hole in team is just to draft well and we've done a decent job so far. The main issue that arises is fixing the glut of SG/SFs on the time that could impact the development of whoever we draft. If you draft a sg/sf, youd have:

IQ
Burks
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Rose
Fournier
Reddish
Toppin
Noel

Mcbride
Grimes
1st round pick

Too many wings. 1 gotta go.

Agree - we'd have amazing depth if you inserted a star but we need to consolidate to land an upgrade as we have too may solid/good players. We just have to land the right one and not anybody who's simply better than what we currently have.

It would be great if we could add/upgrade to RJ, IQ, Cam, Toppin, Grimes, Mc Bride and Mitch.

Randle, Fournier, Burks, D.Rose, Noel and a bunch of picks should help us land some talent or more picks to use in a future upgrade.

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The easiest path is still to get Brunson to agree to an offer, straight up, no sign and trade. Then move Noel and Burks together to a team with cap space and include the Dallas 2023 pick. That gets him to about 22 mil per year. You can do some other minor stuff to get a bit higher. A future protected first is a small price for a player like Brunson who is only 25 years old and has now proven he’s a capable go-to player in the playoffs at a position of need.

There will likely be only 5 Teams that will have projected cap space this offseason https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

1 Orlando Magic - $28.2 M
2 Detroit Pistons - $25.7 M
3 Indiana Pacers - $25.1 M
4 San Antonio Spurs - $22.8 M
5 Portland Trail Blazers - $21.1 M

The Knicks are projected to be over the cap by ~$5M. That would mean they would need to clear >$27 M in order to be able to sign Brunson as an UFA to a $22M per year (cap hit) deal.

Perhaps be more specific on how you think your recommended approach will possibly work given the circumstances and teams shown above - because I'm not seeing it as a possibility.

Of that list Spurs and Pistons are most likely to sign Brunson

And let's be honest, all of those teams with even a bit of cap space have a ton of PGs and wing players already, so the likelihood Jalen gets that fat, juicy contract offer from those particular teams (barring any other movement) is doubtful but you never know.

Well Brunson already plays with another pg in Dallas. Pistons would just use Cunningham in a similar role as Luka as a point forward

Maybe. But I would think you're paying Brunson off of what he's shown as a primary ball handler. There are cheaper alternatives if all your looking for is a secondary/ tertiary ball handler for Cade. But Detroit has thrown so many rumors out there that it's hard to pinpoint where there head is at.

smackeddog wrote:Can't help but wonder if BRIGGS is going to regret that max contract he gave Brunson...

On a serious note, this Suns series is good as it will help us see whether round 1 was mainly due to the Jazz terrible perimeter defence or not

Suns are true contenders and Dallas is not nearly in that category. Our beloved Briggs sometimes gets caught up in the moment. Few fans around here at least ever thought he was a max player. Most pegged him at FVV $20mil per.

IM not looking at Brunson to be a savior/all star. There has to be a Chemistry add that unlocks others potential. Dallas is centered around Luka. Brunson here won’t look the same.

Don’t know what is in Ayton’s heart and once paid does it change. I know Rudy Gorbert is limited but he did step up for that contract. DOn’t know the beef is with him and Donovan. As a fan I want to understand the issue if we make a play for him. That applies to either of them. Im thinking Rudy’s contract is a bit bloated and while we need to move salary, the price might not be that high asset wise if they want to dump him.
I know the easy way is to include Randle but Im not disgarding him that fast. At the end of the day his big season might have been a bit of an anomaly but ObI is 24 and yet to reach that level. I’d like to see a balanced Roster with a proper PG with range, and a center that can hit a 10 food jumper. with the pieces in place, including Randle who has a long term secure deal THEN his job is defined. If he not down with that then we can trade him. If he is, he owns it.

Again, If I knew his issue this past season it would be a bit easier to define his trade value, and how to fix him if kept.

Brunson? He is no max player and never has been. This is a 15-20mil player. As others, if signed he needs to be on a deal that ultimately is tradable down the line if need be. He he don’t project that way then I’d just as soon past.
I trust this FO. They are not perfect not will then not make mistakes. All teams do.
We danced with Gordon Haywood at 20mil per and we passed when the price went up. Obviously easy in hindsight but Money Matters!
I say tradable because they lucked into Lamelo and its his team now. CLT did not seet hat coming when they signed him. Now they need to move him.

NOLA lucked in to Alvarado and now has surplus with Devante Graham. He has 3 years/35mil left. Did he benefit from no crowds? His numbers down this year. But at 11-12mil he is not a bad contract/player. Eventually he moves to the bench on a good team. Nothing to get excited about, but could be a solid move that kicks the can down the road. Do a deal like Kemba/cash and a nice second round pick. Im not married to this at all.