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Uptown
Posts: 31285 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
4/7/2022 11:40 AM
jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... I started this thread to point out how well Obi has been playing with extended minutes. Nothing more. Not one time did I mention Randles name...You are the one pitting these two players against each other. You called Obi, Kenny Walker, in another thread in an attempt to defend Randle.... |
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jskinny35
Posts: 21580 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/27/2005 Member: #928 USA |
4/7/2022 12:27 PM
Obi is to Kenny Walker as Randle is to Pat Cummings
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jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
4/7/2022 12:39 PM
Uptown wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... Ummm, read up, oh thread starter. I'm responding to ramtour's 4 mentions of Randle in two sentences, not your non-mention of Randle in the original post... And calling Obi Kenny Walker is not a stretch, unless you think Obi's robotic, stand still jumper is the new NBA standard... they both leap out of the gym, they both flailed away excitedly on defense, they both exhibit limited BB IQ, etc, etc. I'm just pointing out that in my opinion, Obi's not exactly showing up as the next coming of Amare, as some have conjectured. |
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jskinny35
Posts: 21580 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/27/2005 Member: #928 USA |
4/7/2022 1:00 PM
Actually it is a stretch and shows too much bias to be taken seriously. Kenny Walker never showed any progress or development in several years as a Knick. Obi has already shown defensive improvement, an occasional three point shot and some quick moves to the basket in year 2 with limited minutes. He likely won't come anywhere close to Amare or that level of ability - but he has shown greater potential than Walker ever possessed. I remember Kenny Walker well and never recalled him doing anything offensively that required dribbling (eg majority was alley oops or offensive rebounds/putbacks). Kenny Walker was out of the league a few years later btw. I see Obi as a 14-15pt, 6 rebound type of player that helps ball movement, chemistry and NBA pacing. Guess time will tell if he's out of the league in a few years.
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27462 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
4/7/2022 1:31 PM
jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... I don't think you can underestimate that value of having Steve Nash as point guard for a guy like Amare Stoudemire in an open offense like SSOL under Mike D'antoni. We know what Amare looks like in a closed offense in NY under Woodson. But you can't judge Toppin by the lack of minutes he is playing. What I have seen since March has made me think Toppin has tremendous upside and deserves a chance to play somewhere. He shouldn't be stuck behind Randle indefinitely. Toppin needs to keep getting consistent minutes. I think he performs. You know I gonna spin wit it
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gradyandrew
Posts: 22403 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/19/2021 Member: #8959 |
4/9/2022 2:53 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... I don't know man. Amare was ROY and scoring 20 a game at 20 before Nash arrived and then, outside of the first 40 games or so, Amare's knees were shot with the Knicks. I'm not sure how much coaching had to do with it. Agree that Obi needs a different role than back up to Randle. |
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Uptown
Posts: 31285 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
4/9/2022 11:32 AM
Who knew Kenny Walker was this skilled? Confidence, minutes and offseason work have unlocked his skill-set. Love the way he has been playing since he was inserted into the starting lineup. Love the way this team is playing with him in the starting lineup. No way can this kid go back to 12-15 mins per next year. The front office has some decisions to make this off-season...
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TheGame
Posts: 26632 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/15/2006 Member: #1154 USA |
4/9/2022 12:09 PM
As we have all seen, Obi is a high energy guy. His constant movement creates easy scoring opportunities for himself, and his teammates are getting better at finding him when he cuts to the basket or leaks out on the break. His 3pt shot is inconsistent but is improving, as evidence by his last game. He has some untapped potential as a low post scorer with his quick hops and elevation. His defense is still only average but he is playable and definitely tries hard on defense. The main weakness I see with Toppin is that I don't think he has the strength to consistently score in the post, and while games like last night are impressive, he has yet to show that he consistently score against a defense focused on stopping him. I think he has the potential to get to that level, but he needs about 27-30 minutes a game and two more years before I think he reaches his full potential. At some point, the Knicks have to make a decision as to whether they are going to keep Randle or Obi because neither is good enough defensively to play center and they both are worthy of starting. My guess is that either this summer or at the next trade deadline, the Knicks will trade Obi or Randle in a package deal for a superstar or someone like Zion.
Trust the Process
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Philc1
Posts: 28292 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
4/10/2022 4:43 AM LAST EDITED: 4/10/2022 4:44 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... Agree, just wonder how we are getting rid of Randle’s whale of a contract
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
4/10/2022 10:45 AM
ramtour420 wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... We got Burks playing PG you can’t tell me Obi can’t play SF and Randle PF or the other way around. |
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ramtour420
Posts: 26254 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 3/19/2007 Member: #1388 Russian Federation |
4/10/2022 12:03 PM LAST EDITED: 4/10/2022 12:06 PM
Vmart wrote:ramtour420 wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... Well, just because Burks played the PG doesn't mean he can. Our season has showed why. I suspect it's similar with Obi or Randle trying to play the SF. NBA now is a league where offensive players have an advantage. Can you imagine them trying to guard a SF? Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
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TPercy
Posts: 28010 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/5/2014 Member: #5748 |
4/10/2022 4:54 PM
My thing with Toppin is in order for me to see him as a long term starter he has to be providing something else of consistent value other than being another lob threat in the Pnr with high bball IQ.
Can Obi become a plus multi positional defender? Right now Obi is not any of those things at 23. If our goal is to ultimately build a championship team then I’d like to at least see one of those things from him before I think he could be a starter for us. Right now projects as a very solid big off the bench. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it also means we gain nothing from offloading Randle to let him develop. The Future is Bright!
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nadavshomron
Posts: 20159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/8/2004 Member: #623 Israel |
4/11/2022 5:48 AM
if Obi becomes a great 3pt shooter , he can be somthing special
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Philc1
Posts: 28292 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
4/11/2022 9:38 AM LAST EDITED: 4/11/2022 9:39 AM
Vmart wrote:ramtour420 wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... Obi isn’t fast enough to defend most SF’s. Teams would also go with a 3 guard alignment and use smaller quicker guards to run around Obi
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Philc1
Posts: 28292 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
4/11/2022 9:40 AM
nadavshomron wrote:if Obi becomes a great 3pt shooter , he can be somthing special He shot 39% from 3 his last year in college. If he could simply just be in that neighborhood as a 3 point shooter in the nba yes I agree he could be really good |
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Nalod
Posts: 71085 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
4/11/2022 10:18 AM
Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... We extended him after an All NBA season. Who said that? The clowns are the ones making **** up. |
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Nalod
Posts: 71085 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
4/11/2022 10:19 AM
nadavshomron wrote:if Obi becomes a great 3pt shooter , he can be somthing special Ht 40% and he “we here” status! |
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martin
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4/11/2022 11:31 AM
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Philc1
Posts: 28292 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
4/12/2022 9:48 PM
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:jrodmc wrote:Uptown wrote:jrodmc wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Uptown wrote:Nice breakdown of Obi's impact on the team.... Defending bad moves after they are obviously bad moves is your specialty |