Kemet wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Package Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie after Cuban locks up Brunson long term. Draft a pg at 10

All the Knicks FO had to do in the 2021 offseason FA market was to go fully loaded with a offer to PG Dinwiddie he couldn't turn down, I'm sure Dinwiddie would have preferred replacing Payton in a Knicks lineup, than replacing Westbrook in the Wizards lineup.
The Knicks would've had a postseason team signing PG-Dinwiddie & PG-Kemba (Knees)
Knicks 10 Man rotation ....
PG Dinwiddie & D.Rose
SG Burks & Quickley
SF Barrett & Grimes
PF Randle & Toppin
C MitchRob & Sims
Sorry, I like rookie Sims over Noel

If we had signed Dinwiddie instead of Fournier last offseason we are probably in the play in right now. Burks and IQ where both bad most of this season because they were forced to be full time pg’s. If we had signed Dinwiddie he’d be the pg and those 2 guys stay at SG where they belong and play well on both ends plus we have competent pg play which helps Randle, RJ and Mitch be even better

gradyandrew wrote:

Kemet wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Package Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie after Cuban locks up Brunson long term. Draft a pg at 10

All the Knicks FO had to do in the 2021 offseason FA market was to go fully loaded with a offer to PG Dinwiddie he couldn't turn down, I'm sure Dinwiddie would have preferred replacing Payton in a Knicks lineup, than replacing Westbrook in the Wizards lineup.
The Knicks would've had a postseason team signing PG-Dinwiddie & PG-Kemba (Knees)
Knicks 10 Man rotation ....
PG Dinwiddie & D.Rose
SG Burks & Quickley
SF Barrett & Grimes
PF Randle & Toppin
C MitchRob & Sims
Sorry, I like rookie Sims over Noel

I think the consensus opinion was that the Knicks had signed the best available PG in Kemba. That plus local ties were seen as a big win. Not sure what you posted at the time. Dinwiddie was always seen as a risk following surgery. Again, not sure if you had a crystal ball at the time.

We all supported Kemba because it was a low risk signing and after Jackson and Dinwiddie had signed elsewhere there were literally no other options

houston20 wrote:I think collin sexton should be the guy we should trade for the cavs don't have enough money sign sexton,levert, okoro and garland. I wouldn't mind getting malik monk his jump shot has improved and he would be upgrade.

Its an interesting thought. Rubio And Sexton getting over ACL issues. Rubio did bring that early magic. This is his second blow out? Wonder if he comes back. MY sense is he stays free agent until ready as money and playing time matter. he is not a spring chicken anymore.

sexton restricted this summer and for him it might make sense to sign qualifying offer, come back, then let Clev trade him mid season to team for some value with his bird rights. Knicks need to fabricate cap space to sign him outright He has been a combo guard for buckets on some bad Cav teams. i know fans wants that pure PG experience but that might be more of a fable than reality. Trae Young and steph are prototypical because the can shoot first with crazy range and with respect comes defense shifting and they have the playmaking awareness to read the double. Jah is super and he is learning but his key skill is he is unstoppable.
DRose was unstoppable in his yoot. Baron Davis. these guys were PG’s but all the great ones like Nash and stocton had range and penetration skills. This is why IQ is coming along nice.

Sexton? Might be interesting option.

Nalod wrote:

houston20 wrote:I think collin sexton should be the guy we should trade for the cavs don't have enough money sign sexton,levert, okoro and garland. I wouldn't mind getting malik monk his jump shot has improved and he would be upgrade.

Its an interesting thought. Rubio And Sexton getting over ACL issues. Rubio did bring that early magic. This is his second blow out? Wonder if he comes back. MY sense is he stays free agent until ready as money and playing time matter. he is not a spring chicken anymore.

sexton restricted this summer and for him it might make sense to sign qualifying offer, come back, then let Clev trade him mid season to team for some value with his bird rights. Knicks need to fabricate cap space to sign him outright He has been a combo guard for buckets on some bad Cav teams. i know fans wants that pure PG experience but that might be more of a fable than reality. Trae Young and steph are prototypical because the can shoot first with crazy range and with respect comes defense shifting and they have the playmaking awareness to read the double. Jah is super and he is learning but his key skill is he is unstoppable.
DRose was unstoppable in his yoot. Baron Davis. these guys were PG’s but all the great ones like Nash and stocton had range and penetration skills. This is why IQ is coming along nice.

Sexton? Might be interesting option.

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

houston20 wrote:I think collin sexton should be the guy we should trade for the cavs don't have enough money sign sexton,levert, okoro and garland. I wouldn't mind getting malik monk his jump shot has improved and he would be upgrade.

Its an interesting thought. Rubio And Sexton getting over ACL issues. Rubio did bring that early magic. This is his second blow out? Wonder if he comes back. MY sense is he stays free agent until ready as money and playing time matter. he is not a spring chicken anymore.

sexton restricted this summer and for him it might make sense to sign qualifying offer, come back, then let Clev trade him mid season to team for some value with his bird rights. Knicks need to fabricate cap space to sign him outright He has been a combo guard for buckets on some bad Cav teams. i know fans wants that pure PG experience but that might be more of a fable than reality. Trae Young and steph are prototypical because the can shoot first with crazy range and with respect comes defense shifting and they have the playmaking awareness to read the double. Jah is super and he is learning but his key skill is he is unstoppable.
DRose was unstoppable in his yoot. Baron Davis. these guys were PG’s but all the great ones like Nash and stocton had range and penetration skills. This is why IQ is coming along nice.

Sexton? Might be interesting option.

I'd rather keep developing IQ and McBride if we cannot get a real distributer in the backcourt. We have an exceptional combo guard in IQ whose playmaking has seemed to take a huge leap forward. I don't want to stunt his development. Burks needs to be traded for a pick and so does Randle

I'd put the possibility of Rokas into the mix too.

Lets not forget Lonzo if healthy would have taken time from yoots! Would Randle been happy? RJ? Who knows.
Whispers of discontent? Perhaps. They did fine without him earlier in the season before injuries.
Good concerns. JOhnny Bryant has to sign off on it. we’ll see.

Philc1 wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Kemet wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Package Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie after Cuban locks up Brunson long term. Draft a pg at 10

All the Knicks FO had to do in the 2021 offseason FA market was to go fully loaded with a offer to PG Dinwiddie he couldn't turn down, I'm sure Dinwiddie would have preferred replacing Payton in a Knicks lineup, than replacing Westbrook in the Wizards lineup.
The Knicks would've had a postseason team signing PG-Dinwiddie & PG-Kemba (Knees)
Knicks 10 Man rotation ....
PG Dinwiddie & D.Rose
SG Burks & Quickley
SF Barrett & Grimes
PF Randle & Toppin
C MitchRob & Sims
Sorry, I like rookie Sims over Noel

I think the consensus opinion was that the Knicks had signed the best available PG in Kemba. That plus local ties were seen as a big win. Not sure what you posted at the time. Dinwiddie was always seen as a risk following surgery. Again, not sure if you had a crystal ball at the time.

We all supported Kemba because it was a low risk signing and after Jackson and Dinwiddie had signed elsewhere there were literally no other options

The Knicks had to wait weeks to sign Kemba .. who was traded from Boston to OKC after the draft, plus for OKC to find out Kemba was not the right veteran mentor for any of OKC young guards before they gave Kemba (knees) a buy-out. The Knicks signing Diwiddie, resigning D.Rose, and then signing the Buy-Out Kemba would've solve the Knicks PG problem since letting LinSanity walk.
I will admit DinWiddie was a skeptical decision after surgery.
The Bulls signing Ball, Caruso, and Derozan to share the back-court with Zach LaVine was Brilliant.

The Phoenix Suns had two outstanding winning seasons ..
Would the Phoenix Suns be a LOTTERY team if they never had Chris Paull (CP3) on their roster ???

Panos wrote:

Panos wrote:What's wrong with starting D Rose limiting him to 25 mpg and IQ first off the bench?

It's not a long term solution, but it keeps us from making a move out of desperation that we'll regret.

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:Which PG path would I prefer right now?

Start IQ…..bring deuce off the bench. Both players can play the PG position and SG position.

I don’t think paying Brunson 20mil will fix our team problems. I know we’ve been praying for a PG and finally have Brunson as a real option. If we get him then I’m rooting for him to do well. But that’s not the move I would do for 29 mil.

While grooming IQ and deuce next season, with a backup vet ready to step in like taj does at center, in case we need them. Use that 20mil on other positions of need.

To me the problem shifted to somewhere between Randle, thibs and the FO.

First glimpse at Brunson "without one of the best players in the league" and in a "playoff s/game". . grant it against one of the top teams in the league.

9 for 24, 1 for 3 from 3pt, 5 assists and 24 pts. Thought Jazz ran plays at him down the stretch due to his height where Bog and Conley forced him to play defense. Competitive game though and Jazz pulled it off at the end. Decent showing.

He was solid. Efficiency drops with most guys in the playoffs. Brunson being the top option on a playoff team right now is a great test.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:Which PG path would I prefer right now?

Start IQ…..bring deuce off the bench. Both players can play the PG position and SG position.

I don’t think paying Brunson 20mil will fix our team problems. I know we’ve been praying for a PG and finally have Brunson as a real option. If we get him then I’m rooting for him to do well. But that’s not the move I would do for 29 mil.

Wh ile grooming IQ and deuce next season, with a backup vet ready to step in like taj does at center, in case we need them. Use that 20mil on other positions of need.

To me the problem shifted to somewhere between Randle, thibs and the FO.

First glimpse at Brunson "without one of the best players in the league" and in a "playoff s/game". . grant it against one of the top teams in the league.

9 for 24, 1 for 3 from 3pt, 5 assists and 24 pts. Thought Jazz ran plays at him down the stretch due to his height where Bog and Conley forced him to play defense. Competitive game though and Jazz pulled it off at the end. Decent showing.

I didn't see the game. All I could catch was the boxscore and that Michell was pretty much in the same inefficiency range as Brunson.

He was great in the first half. He was really aggressive getting into the paint and had some?nifty moves getting his shot off vs Gobert. Lots of money on the table for him.