Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

Clean wrote:

Took a pic from the Giddy highlight. Why is Kemba darn near under the basket? He is not even playing the cross court passing lane because he is far too deep. This has been us ALL year. It is why the worst shooting teams always shoot well vs us and why we always give up career highs. This is also not a Kemba issue. Every player who play on the weakside has done this all year.

I can't see the picture but I get your point and know exactly what you're talking about. But to me, this is a personnel issue and not a coaching/schemes issue. How come the same defense worked last season? Thibs didn't forget to coach defense. You know what changed? The personnel and the hunger. If you get Thibs players who want to defend, I think he can still coach a team to a top defense.

Wonderful question and I was waiting for someone to ask me this. We did use this same defense last year but teams just missed the open shots. Crazy right? Needless to say we have not been as lucky this year. This is when adjustments come into play. Thibs just will not change no matter how good teams are shooting those open shots now.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FearTheBrown/status/1363217379258478594

That tweet was from February 20 and we still had more then half a season to play. Can you please provide the season totals? We did play better defense as the season went along.

SergioNYK wrote:

Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

Clean wrote:

Took a pic from the Giddy highlight. Why is Kemba darn near under the basket? He is not even playing the cross court passing lane because he is far too deep. This has been us ALL year. It is why the worst shooting teams always shoot well vs us and why we always give up career highs. This is also not a Kemba issue. Every player who play on the weakside has done this all year.

I can't see the picture but I get your point and know exactly what you're talking about. But to me, this is a personnel issue and not a coaching/schemes issue. How come the same defense worked last season? Thibs didn't forget to coach defense. You know what changed? The personnel and the hunger. If you get Thibs players who want to defend, I think he can still coach a team to a top defense.

Wonderful question and I was waiting for someone to ask me this. We did use this same defense last year but teams just missed the open shots. Crazy right? Needless to say we have not been as lucky this year. This is when adjustments come into play. Thibs just will not change no matter how good teams are shooting those open shots now.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/FearTheBrown/status/1363217379258478594

That tweet was from February 20 and we still had more then half a season to play. Can you please provide the season totals? We did play better defense as the season went along.

This was a theme all of last year. If you want more proof from later on in the season here it is. This article was from May 20th 2021. This is after the regular season and before the playoffs. I was not aware that we were even lucky on missed wide open 2pt shots. I remembered about it for 3's but did not remember anyone also talking about 2pters.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/20/knicks-will-need-luck-to-stay-on-their-side-to-have-long-playoff-run/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

"Heading into the All-Star break, the Knicks were the luckiest team in the league. Despite giving up the fifth-most wide-open field-goal attempts in the NBA at the time, opponents were shooting just 37.7 percent on those looks. It was even more ridiculous when you realized the Knicks had allowed the third-most wide-open 3-pointers but ranked first in opponents’ shooting on those attempts at 33.7 percent!

Surely, regression would come — but it did not. New York posted the third-best defensive rating in the second half, allowing just 107.4 points per 100 possessions on its way to a 22-13 record and the home-court edge against the Hawks in the first round. The Knicks gave up fewer wide-open looks (21.3 percent of attempts), but still ranked third in opponents’ shooting (40.3 percent) on those attempts. And on wide-open 3-pointers, opponents shot a slightly better 36.2 percent in the second half.

At the end of it all, Knicks opponents shot just 38.8 percent on wide-open looks this season, the second-worst rate, but the team allowed the eighth-most wide-open attempts. Maybe this luck will continue through their postseason run, but the Knicks’ regular season has felt unreal and unsustainable, and it might just be."

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https://twitter.com/BTRowland/status/1399745280019505154

smackeddog wrote:Looks like Thibs is off the hot seat for the rest of this season- if we were going to fire him I think we would have done it yesterday, from a news management point of view

maybe right- but, maybe today too? Certainly before the team starts to practice again.

But, I don't see any move. I remember reading about the luck the Knicks had on opponents not hitting open shots.

Surely the FO had those stats available to them too. I wonder what they thought was going to happen in year 2 if we continued to allow open shots at the pace we did last year?

franco12 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Looks like Thibs is off the hot seat for the rest of this season- if we were going to fire him I think we would have done it yesterday, from a news management point of view

maybe right- but, maybe today too? Certainly before the team starts to practice again.

But, I don't see any move. I remember reading about the luck the Knicks had on opponents not hitting open shots.

Surely the FO had those stats available to them too. I wonder what they thought was going to happen in year 2 if we continued to allow open shots at the pace we did last year?

Naw, they get those stats from Twitter feeds and then react. Just kidding.
Big stretch coming. I know losing big leads suck but its also a focus to underdstand getting big leads are good things and not to be ignored. Losing the lead is one thing. Losing the game is another.
Must be frustating for team to have walker be part of getting a big lead then losing it. They are doing things right but can't sustain it.

I don't know if Thibs is antiquated and Johnny Bryant is the future. The "we hiring all KAT's Peeps", or "Bryant is loved by Donovan Mitchell/Dame" starphuch is all noise. Predicting is fun but look at the prediction by fans on this site. 33 put in for it and nobody had it under 40 wins. We all got it wrong at many levels. These are the same folks that are predicting all kinds of things and how careers are going.

When ESPN or others predict our team, we call them haters if they not enthusiastic.
Fans have no part of the team or what gets done. Conspiracy of ping pong balls, refs, silver, Stern, is all in the past and has no bearing on the future.
Yet thats most of us go on. RJ will never be a star, have a right hand,.........Mitch is always hurt and not worth 20mil, Randle will always be grumpy, Thibs never plays yoot (he does), and the only thing keeping Mcbride from being great is Thibs..........

We assume we gonna lose our games so why not play him? Can't lose twice? LOL

Love this team. Love most of you guys also!

blkexec wrote:Ok Thibs is a good coach and we should appreciate him more. Same with losing a huge lead without acknowledging what it takes to build a huge lead. I agree with that half full vs half empty thinking.

But I have a serious question. What coach plays their starters for 3 quarters and bench them in the 4th? Thibs has done this all season like that’s a normal strategy. But I don’t remember any coach doing this. And that should speak volumes to the FO.

This could also be the issues with our inconsistent play in the 4th. If you are removing at least two starters in the 4th, then in essence thibs is adding 2 new players which can lead to chemistry issues. Also thibs is leaning heavy on the 3 starters which could lead to fatigue. Yes all teams ride their star players heavy. Maybe our star players are not built for that load.

But mainly who plays their starters for only 3 quarters on purpose?

We are constantly losing big leads in games because our Veterans look gassed by the 4th quarter thanks to Thibs overusing them. He did the same stuff towards the end of his tenure in Chicago