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EwingsGlass
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2/4/2022  12:58 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

What is the Fox infatuation. His defensive rating is almost as bad as Kemba's - 3rd worst in the league to Kemba's 2nd worst in the league.

He shoots high volume, 41% from the field, 24% from 3. His only upside is that he is fast. I don't understand the interest in Fox.

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2/4/2022  1:02 PM
Barnes/Bagley/Fox for Burks/Noel/Randle/Kemba works moneywise.

Knick get the uptempo PG who can attack the rim and we can surround him with our nice crop of young wings RJ/Grimes/IQ/Reddish. Bagley/Obi can split the minutes at the 4 with Mitch/Taj/Simms at the 5. Barnes is a salary dump and will have to beat out the other guys for minutes.

Kings would likely want some draft comp as well and I might entertain that. They get bigger and can finally play some defense which Burks/Noel/Jules will really help with.

The question is what are the better offers out there for Fox and friends?

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2/4/2022  1:07 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

What is the Fox infatuation. His defensive rating is almost as bad as Kemba's - 3rd worst in the league to Kemba's 2nd worst in the league.

He shoots high volume, 41% from the field, 24% from 3. His only upside is that he is fast. I don't understand the interest in Fox.

he has game changing speed and athleticism. He's got a great drive and dish game. He gets to the line a ton because he attacks. He gets tons of steals and deflections. He's great at the rim.

He has warts and absolutely is having a down season which is why he's even in the discussion. He's also 24 and Thibs LOVES PGs who constantly attack

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/4/2022  1:09 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

What is the Fox infatuation. His defensive rating is almost as bad as Kemba's - 3rd worst in the league to Kemba's 2nd worst in the league.

He shoots high volume, 41% from the field, 24% from 3. His only upside is that he is fast. I don't understand the interest in Fox.

He fits the timeline, possesses an exceptional trait (fast), can create and penetrate, would pick up the pace since we are dead last... Thibs likes penetrating PGs with some size. Rose could be a perfect mentor for him.

Also, when you look around to who's available that isn't too costly, fits the age timeline and still have growth potential - the list is not very long. Brunson is one that fits that criteria.

Other wild card guy I would keep tabs on is A.Simons as he seems to be progressing and the Blazers seem tied to winning around Lillard despite his age and injuries.
fishmike
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2/4/2022  1:20 PM
jskinny35 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

What is the Fox infatuation. His defensive rating is almost as bad as Kemba's - 3rd worst in the league to Kemba's 2nd worst in the league.

He shoots high volume, 41% from the field, 24% from 3. His only upside is that he is fast. I don't understand the interest in Fox.

He fits the timeline, possesses an exceptional trait (fast), can create and penetrate, would pick up the pace since we are dead last... Thibs likes penetrating PGs with some size. Rose could be a perfect mentor for him.

Also, when you look around to who's available that isn't too costly, fits the age timeline and still have growth potential - the list is not very long. Brunson is one that fits that criteria.

Other wild card guy I would keep tabs on is A.Simons as he seems to be progressing and the Blazers seem tied to winning around Lillard despite his age and injuries.

bang... and Dame is an ankle turn from becoming Kemba. Sure he can drop 40 any might and shoot 10-15 from 3 but cant guard his mom and will need a week to recover from that game
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2/4/2022  1:23 PM
jskinny35 wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

Turner is solid but injured and not sure how he would fit next to Mitch. I suggested J. Collins if we landed Fox because they are both running/uptempo players and I think we need to pick up the pace.

Yah, if Fox in in the line up il go all in on John collins. Maybe Obi, Evan and 2 1st tounders wont get the hawks attention. What package will make them trade Collins to the knicks?
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2/4/2022  1:39 PM

We likely still won't move him, which will be problematic because he seems to dislike Fournier (seems the feelings mutual), Kemba AND Thibs- good luck on team chemistry when your team leader has issues with their coach and fellow starters
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2/4/2022  1:44 PM
smackeddog wrote:

We likely still won't move him, which will be problematic because he seems to dislike Fournier (seems the feelings mutual), Kemba AND Thibs- good luck on team chemistry when your team leader has issues with their coach and fellow starters

I think that is the biggest thing... he got paid, just had a baby and his two best buds left (ELF and Reggie) and he doesnt like new ones and just isnt having much fun
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2/4/2022  1:49 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

Turner is solid but injured and not sure how he would fit next to Mitch. I suggested J. Collins if we landed Fox because they are both running/uptempo players and I think we need to pick up the pace.

Yah, if Fox in in the line up il go all in on John collins. Maybe Obi, Evan and 2 1st tounders wont get the hawks attention. What package will make them trade Collins to the knicks?

Nothing. The Hawks are looking to build a contender and looking at Ben Simmons and the like

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2/4/2022  1:58 PM

Many of us remember Jamal Crawford. love him or hate him he would hit clutch shots (at least that's my memory, i don't have stats). Robert Horry was another Mario Elie. Paul Pierce though i hate to admit that

We need those kind of killers. DOesn't mean bullies. Means guys who step up.

ANyone have a sense on Fox whether he flourishes or wilts under pressure?

My guess is Sac wants to make a move but is still keeping out hope on Simmons. ANd frankly if they're interested in Simmons it means they're willing to accept flawed characters, so Randle should be the runner up

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2/4/2022  2:02 PM
smackeddog wrote:

We likely still won't move him, which will be problematic because he seems to dislike Fournier (seems the feelings mutual), Kemba AND Thibs- good luck on team chemistry when your team leader has issues with their coach and fellow starters

Depends on the reason - if Thibs was finally holding Randle accountable and that was responsible for the rift with Randle then the other players may appreciate Thibs effort. If it was something else then who knows... maybe the rest of the players have issues with the "team leader?"
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2/4/2022  2:07 PM
martin wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

Turner is solid but injured and not sure how he would fit next to Mitch. I suggested J. Collins if we landed Fox because they are both running/uptempo players and I think we need to pick up the pace.

Yah, if Fox in in the line up il go all in on John collins. Maybe Obi, Evan and 2 1st tounders wont get the hawks attention. What package will make them trade Collins to the knicks?

Nothing. The Hawks are looking to build a contender and looking at Ben Simmons and the like

Collins is the type of athlete we need but he makes Al Harrington and JR Smith look like heady players.
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2/4/2022  2:58 PM
fishmike wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

What is the Fox infatuation. His defensive rating is almost as bad as Kemba's - 3rd worst in the league to Kemba's 2nd worst in the league.

He shoots high volume, 41% from the field, 24% from 3. His only upside is that he is fast. I don't understand the interest in Fox.

he has game changing speed and athleticism. He's got a great drive and dish game. He gets to the line a ton because he attacks. He gets tons of steals and deflections. He's great at the rim.

He has warts and absolutely is having a down season which is why he's even in the discussion. He's also 24 and Thibs LOVES PGs who constantly attack

I can’t take many more seasons without having a starting calibre point guard- it’s like the infinite quest for Knicks fans! I’d take a risk on Fox whatever his flaws, just so we can focus on other problems!
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2/4/2022  3:12 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

What is the Fox infatuation. His defensive rating is almost as bad as Kemba's - 3rd worst in the league to Kemba's 2nd worst in the league.

He shoots high volume, 41% from the field, 24% from 3. His only upside is that he is fast. I don't understand the interest in Fox.

he has game changing speed and athleticism. He's got a great drive and dish game. He gets to the line a ton because he attacks. He gets tons of steals and deflections. He's great at the rim.

He has warts and absolutely is having a down season which is why he's even in the discussion. He's also 24 and Thibs LOVES PGs who constantly attack

I can’t take many more seasons without having a starting calibre point guard- it’s like the infinite quest for Knicks fans! I’d take a risk on Fox whatever his flaws, just so we can focus on other problems!

Buzzkill is look at his contract……..
That said we trade one wildcat for another? If Johny Bryant digs this kid and can do that Dame/Spider thing with him I can hold out hope.
Fox has a certain John Wall (another hyped wildcat)vibe to him. Good guys. Just going to fast for the game.

And why do we think Duke has the monopoly on over rated guys?
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2/4/2022  4:47 PM

Think the second play is him dunking on Randle
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2/4/2022  4:59 PM
Alan Hahn seems to be pouring cold water over this on FB, seems to be hinting at Brunson being more what we’re aiming for (sending out Mitch plus more)
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2/4/2022  7:50 PM
fishmike wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks can somehow get Fox for Randle, can the FO make another move and swing for the fence and get Myles Turner and give up Obi, Evan this year's 1st round and the Dallas 1st round.

Mitch
Turner
RJ
Grimes
Fox

Noel
Taj/Semanic
Cam
IQ
Rose

What is the Fox infatuation. His defensive rating is almost as bad as Kemba's - 3rd worst in the league to Kemba's 2nd worst in the league.

He shoots high volume, 41% from the field, 24% from 3. His only upside is that he is fast. I don't understand the interest in Fox.

he has game changing speed and athleticism. He's got a great drive and dish game. He gets to the line a ton because he attacks. He gets tons of steals and deflections. He's great at the rim.

He has warts and absolutely is having a down season which is why he's even in the discussion. He's also 24 and Thibs LOVES PGs who constantly attack

Yeah, Fox is interesting. There is an old saying in the NBA, “never trade big for small.” But Fox would give something we have not had in probably 20 years - a good young athletic PG. I think Thibbs can get Fox’s defense up to a decent level. You trade Fox for Randle, and it solves the PG problem, and it moves Toppin into the starting lineup. Toppin is not on Randle’s level yet, but I believe with minutes and another summer of training, he could turn into a 20 pt, 10 rb type player. Plus, moving Randle allows you to give Reddish some minutes at PF as a small ball 4. We still would need to move Kemba, and I would trade Burks to the first team that offered a high 2nd round pick. It is a risky move as we would be trading big for small but I think it could be successful.

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2/4/2022  9:11 PM
smackeddog wrote:Alan Hahn seems to be pouring cold water over this on FB, seems to be hinting at Brunson being more what we’re aiming for (sending out Mitch plus more)

If they send out Mitch for Brunson they are clownsss….. just literal jokes walking around in human flesh.

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2/4/2022  9:24 PM
I think you can get Brunson for IQ and pick. Gives Dallas some more time before maxing a guy out.
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2/4/2022  9:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/4/2022  9:33 PM
MS wrote:I think you can get Brunson for IQ and pick. Gives Dallas some more time before maxing a guy out.

I don’t like that either. IQ is a good player and a draft pick. If they can pull the miracle and get the cap space they can take that risk to get him in FA

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