TheGame wrote:I try to hold myself back and not just drink the Kool Aid, but our young guys seem to be really good. Toppin looks like a young Amare. Grimes looks like a young Klay Thompson. McBride looks like a better shooting Mookie Blaylock. Quickley looks like a young Jason Terry/Bobby Jackson. Mitch is a young DeAndre Jordan and RJ is kind of in a category of his own (solid starter but probably not ever going to be an Allstar). Even Sims looks like a young Ben Wallace. I think the McBride/Grimes backcourt could become one of the best defensive backcourts in the league and would still be in the top-15 offensively. Management needs to clear the deck and trade Kemba and Fournier at the deadline and turn the team over to the youth.

I'm chugging the Grimes/McBride/Rokas/IQ/Sims kool aid

martin wrote:

TheGame wrote:I try to hold myself back and not just drink the Kool Aid, but our young guys seem to be really good. Toppin looks like a young Amare. Grimes looks like a young Klay Thompson. McBride looks like a better shooting Mookie Blaylock. Quickley looks like a young Jason Terry/Bobby Jackson. Mitch is a young DeAndre Jordan and RJ is kind of in a category of his own (solid starter but probably not ever going to be an Allstar). Even Sims looks like a young Ben Wallace. I think the McBride/Grimes backcourt could become one of the best defensive backcourts in the league and would still be in the top-15 offensively. Management needs to clear the deck and trade Kemba and Fournier at the deadline and turn the team over to the youth.

I'm chugging the Grimes/McBride/Rokas/IQ/Sims kool aid

Pour me another!

SkyWalker wrote:So how do we get a borderline all star level talent or better to the knicks without trading these young guys? Sign and trade for draft picks? Any good targets for the upcoming off season?

We don't. No one ever wants to come to the Knicks until they are past their prime. Whenever we have money there are no stars available or they spurn us for other teams. So stop worrying about getting one and just build a fun team to watch.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

SkyWalker wrote:So how do we get a borderline all star level talent or better to the knicks without trading these young guys? Sign and trade for draft picks? Any good targets for the upcoming off season?

We don't. No one ever wants to come to the Knicks until they are past their prime. Whenever we have money there are no stars available or they spurn us for other teams. So stop worrying about getting one and just build a fun team to watch.

After Amare and Melo, the Knicks have not had a decent FO and that is a good reason why there hasn't been opportunity to come to the Knicks. They are fairly stable there now.

We shall see what happens next.

Not for nothing but the Knicks are in close proximity to where the Brooklyn Nets were before they got Kyrie and Durant.

Making the playoffs last year and potentially this year is how we can begin to attract big name players.

No NBA star in their prime wants to come to PING PONG LOTTERY BALL TEAMS.

And IMO we have a couple of future All-Star homegrown Knicks on our roster in R.J. Barrett/Obi Toppin/Immanuel Quickley/Deuce McBride/Quentin Grimes and Mitchell Robinson + our FA addition in Julius Randle.

Let the cream rise to the top and see which kid becomes the alpha Male.

But these young Knicks are LOADED in young TALENT and like never before too.

knicks1248 wrote:Nothing is going to matter with these young players unless they are winning, lets just get that straight..Thats the reason we haven't resign any rookie in 20 yrs

I never want to be the team that hangs on to talented players that don't move the needle, what's the purpose.

I think we have a nice young core, but if don't win 48 to 52 games this season, your going to entertain trading them

That's your very myopic view on things.

There are a ton of teams that lost with young talent and still ended up going very well. You have to draft and then develop. No 2 ways around that.

knicks1248 wrote:Nothing is going to matter with these young players unless they are winning, lets just get that straight..Thats the reason we haven't resign any rookie in 20 yrs

I never want to be the team that hangs on to talented players that don't move the needle, what's the purpose.

I think we have a nice young core, but if don't win 48 to 52 games this season, your going to entertain trading them

Nonsense.

Rome wasn’t built in a day. And btw, the Knicks are probably finishing around 39-42 wins this year. For a team with a youth movement that’s a respectable record. It’s not like we are the jets and giants with putrid win/loss records trying to convince the fan base we are in the right direction with medium pepsis

I'm hoping the Front office can somehow replicate the success of this year's draft and get 2 promising rookies in next year's draft adding 2 more names to the knicks young core.

Im very intrigued by luka Samanic who is tearing up the G League, is there a way he can play the small forward position? The team's PF is already set with Randle and obi. Can Barrett, Grimes and Samanic take care of the small forward rotation.

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Nothing is going to matter with these young players unless they are winning, lets just get that straight..Thats the reason we haven't resign any rookie in 20 yrs

I never want to be the team that hangs on to talented players that don't move the needle, what's the purpose.

I think we have a nice young core, but if don't win 48 to 52 games this season, your going to entertain trading them

Nonsense.

Rome wasnt built in a day. And btw, the Knicks are probably finishing around 39-42 wins this year. For a team with a youth movement thats a respectable record.

It;s not like we are the jets and giants with putrid win/loss records trying to convince the fan base we are in the right direction with medium pepsis

You say Rome wasn't built in a day?

But then you continue to trash a Rookie QB on a team with a Rookie Head Coach?

The Jets fan in me is telling YOU how Rome wasn't built in a day.

And I agree about our Knicks. Rome wasn't built in a day.

The Packers fan in me is telling you that losing franchises breed high turnover in the FO and on the court....you now that

Avg teams trade young Talent for super stars, so they can get to the next level

Winning franchise stay the course and make minor changes....

If the young guys get us at least to the 2nd round, your going to make minor changes like we did this yr, because that would mean they are developing nicely.

If we don't make the playoffs, or get bounced out in a play in game or 1st round, you can expect big changes

Playoffs or no playoffs, I expect changes for the Knicks. They changed this past year too, didn't need to trade anyone away to do it.

The Knicks could make a big change and certainly need to and probably have planned to.

It's not rocket science.

NYKMentality wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Nothing is going to matter with these young players unless they are winning, lets just get that straight..Thats the reason we haven't resign any rookie in 20 yrs

I never want to be the team that hangs on to talented players that don't move the needle, what's the purpose.

I think we have a nice young core, but if don't win 48 to 52 games this season, your going to entertain trading them

Nonsense.

Rome wasnt built in a day. And btw, the Knicks are probably finishing around 39-42 wins this year. For a team with a youth movement thats a respectable record.

It;s not like we are the jets and giants with putrid win/loss records trying to convince the fan base we are in the right direction with medium pepsis

You say Rome wasn't built in a day?

But then you continue to trash a Rookie QB on a team with a Rookie Head Coach?

The Jets fan in me is telling YOU how Rome wasn't built in a day.

And I agree about our Knicks. Rome wasn't built in a day.

The jets just cost themselves Thibodeaux and Hutchinson with a completely meaningless accidental win over a terrible Jags team with Brian Schittenheimer calling the plays. What a disaster

TheGame wrote:I try to hold myself back and not just drink the Kool Aid, but our young guys seem to be really good. Toppin looks like a young Amare. Grimes looks like a young Klay Thompson. McBride looks like a better shooting Mookie Blaylock. Quickley looks like a young Jason Terry/Bobby Jackson. Mitch is a young DeAndre Jordan and

RJ is kind of in a category of his own (solid starter but probably not ever going to be an Allstar).

Even Sims looks like a young Ben Wallace. I think the McBride/Grimes backcourt could become one of the best defensive backcourts in the league and would still be in the top-15 offensively. Management needs to clear the deck and trade Kemba and Fournier at the deadline and turn the team over to the youth.

I really appreciate your post above. Because I enjoyed reading it.

But I strongly disagree in regards to R.J. Barrett probably not ever becoming an All-Star.

When last season @ only 20 years of age and as only a 2nd year player he was on the verge of making the All-Star team by averaging...

17.6 points.
5.8 rebounds.
3.0 assists.
.441% FG%.
.401 3PT%.
Only 1.9 turnovers.

Those are borderline All-Star numbers (and super impressive for a 2nd year kid @ only 20 years old).

And during our final 20 games where we finished 16-4? R.J. Barrett was on freaking fire.

I truly believe we're going to see R.J. finish super strong this year (again) and make a couple of All-Star teams throughout his entire playing career.

NYKMentality wrote:

TheGame wrote:I try to hold myself back and not just drink the Kool Aid, but our young guys seem to be really good. Toppin looks like a young Amare. Grimes looks like a young Klay Thompson. McBride looks like a better shooting Mookie Blaylock. Quickley looks like a young Jason Terry/Bobby Jackson. Mitch is a young DeAndre Jordan and

RJ is kind of in a category of his own (solid starter but probably not ever going to be an Allstar).

Even Sims looks like a young Ben Wallace. I think the McBride/Grimes backcourt could become one of the best defensive backcourts in the league and would still be in the top-15 offensively. Management needs to clear the deck and trade Kemba and Fournier at the deadline and turn the team over to the youth.

I really appreciate your post above. Because I enjoyed reading it.

But I strongly disagree in regards to R.J. Barrett probably not ever becoming an All-Star.

When last season @ only 20 years of age and as only a 2nd year player he was on the verge of making the All-Star team by averaging...

17.6 points.
5.8 rebounds.
3.0 assists.
.441% FG%.
.401 3PT%.
Only 1.9 turnovers.

Those are borderline All-Star numbers (and super impressive for a 2nd year kid @ only 20 years old).

And during our final 20 games where we finished 16-4? R.J. Barrett was on freaking fire.

I truly believe we're going to see R.J. finish super strong this year (again) and make a couple of All-Star teams throughout his entire playing career.

My only concern with RJ is that he seems to go through these long periods of time where his shot is not falling and I am starting to become concerned that he will always be just an average shooter. Without a consistent jumpshot and without uber athleticism, it would be hard for him to consistently put up allstar level numbers. I agree that he could get there and I hope that he does. The young guys who I think look the best right now are Toppin and Grimes. Grimes seems to be a poorman's Klay Thompson, and I could see him easily averaging 20 points a game next year if Thibbs starts him. Toppin also looks good. He still needs to get stronger and will have to learn how to score once teams put more focus on stopping him, but he looks as good as a second year Amare to me. If he were starting, I think he easily averages 17 pts and 8 rbs.