foosballnick wrote:BRIGGS wrote:foosballnick wrote:BRIGGS wrote:foosballnick wrote:How "Quickly" things change after a loss.....Barbarians are at the gate!!
Knicks should be 2-5 not 5-2!!
Stubborn Thibs doesn't know what he's doing and needs to change his ways!!
More Knox....less ISO Randle!!
Only the Rookies can save us!!
Ditch Mitch!!
If things don't turn around "Quickly".....we're doomed!!
Thats ridiculous. Sitting IQ for Grimes and giving Obi more playing time is reasonable. Against the right match ups Knox can also get 5-10 min
"Thats ridiculous"......feeling is mutual. Just because you spam the forum more than most of the rest of us, does not make your points any more cereberal, valid or less ridiculous.
I'll play......let's say you are the Head Coach.......
- Knicks lost last night because of Raptors Offensive Rebounding, Points in the Paint & Turn Over Margin
- You are the coach giving Knox up to 10 minutes - why - how does he help in any way to turn those stats around? Further who's minutes are you taking away and why? (PS....Knox plays the 3/4 and is not a ball handler nor is is focus on defense).
- Obi is averaging 16 minutes per game. You want to give him more minutes (that's fair). How many more and who's minutes is he taking? Noel will be coming back taking Taj's minutes. Are you giving him Randle's minutes? What about the fact that your adding Knox to the mix for up to 10 mins?
- IQ is averaging 14 mpg. Your plan is to give Grimes those minutes. As a coach how do you manage that messaging to the entire roster? Are you putting forth a moratorium that players will be evaluated and rotated on a game to game basis (or 5 game intervals)....and players will be benched if they don't shoot well? Does that apply across the roster or just with certain players? For instance you want to give Obi more PT - but he is only shooting 0.154 from 3PT distance and sometimes struggles defensively against quicker guys. Knox has a low motor on defense, has minimal assists, virtually no blocks is not known as a good rebounder and you want to give him minutes. Given this situation as a coach - how do you convey the distribution of minutes to the team and maintain the kind of unity needed for a non-superstar roster to excel?
So to me, you're constant ADHD type need for up to the minute continual churn and changes on this roster after every game - as if this is all just a video game - are kind of ridiculous without providing meaningful analysis and discourse.
I’ll go like this— do you think Bill Bellichick would have a problem sitting a 3 rd tight end if he was playing poorly? Or a starting guard for that matter? Grimes is a higher talented prospect who is 6-5 and shoots the ball much better than IQ— probably a better defender. Iq is stuck between positions. He could stand time in the d league working as a primary pg. The coach is the boss who wants to make the team better. He can’t worry if feelings get hurt once in awhile— it’s just the nature of the game. Iq has not got it done— he’s erratic and shooting 25%. Time to give Grimes his minutes.
Obi is easy. He gets 12-14 min of randles minutes and 12-14 min at the 5 position. You’re not going to match him against the 3-4 premiere centers left but he will match up fine against most teams and we can play faster. He’s earned the time — he deserves more. He’s the best 2 point % player outside of Robinson but he’s way more diversified. So he’s earned expanded min. We don’t need the “ we need a pure 5 for 48 min” do we?????
Knox iq and McBride become “ situational but active”.Meaning if thibs sees mismatches or a vet that’s off— we simply go deeper into the bench. Jeff van funds wouod play 3 guards at times. We can do that to in situational spots. Thibs is a bit of a dinosaur who was saved by Derrick Rose last year. He can show situational flexibility.
If you're going to make an analogy to football, at least try to make it one that calibrates appropriately. The NFL Season is roughly 5x the NBA Season. That means that every one NFL Game = 5 NBA Games. Is Belichick benching his 2nd RB, WR or TE and going with a rookie after dropping a pass or fumbling in the first game of the season that the team won? That's the analogy.
As to your philosophy on coaching not having to worry about feelings or roster harmony, I'm wondering what world you are living in these days. This isn't the 1970's. The NBA is a players league. One of the primary roles of a coach is to get players to buy in. If he loses that trust, he has nothing.
In your view Obi gets up to 12 more minutes a night and its coming from the center position. Are you taking those minutes from Mitch or Noel? Most of Obi's 2 point shots are at the rim and he is 2-13 from 3 point range (~15%). He does bring energy, speed and more fast break potential - but he is significantly less of a rim protector than Mitch/Noel. Who's minutes are being reduced? Note that the games we lost were mostly due to defense - by changing out minutes for Obi - you will be further weakening the D. Thibs knows this.
Grimes - I've stated previously that Grimes might become a good/great NBA player. But you're making definitive statements about his talent level, his shooting, defending etc - based on what? He's played less than 5 minutes total in 7 games with 5 DNPs. How do you seem to know enough about his talent comparison other players at an NBA level more than anyone else including the coaching staff?
Also - "Situational but active" generally means eligible for garbage time.
PS- "Thibs is a bit of a dinosaur who was saved by Derrick Rose last year"......this is what it really comes down to. You (as well as some other posters clamoring for change) don't really trust Thibs. Admit it, you believe yourself better or more knowledgeable at managing the roster and team than him.
I’m not sure I’ve even criticized the coach since he’s been here other than calling him a bit of a dinosaur. Derrick Rose put this team in the playoffs last year. We were a lottery team without him. That doesn’t mean Thibs hasn’t done a good job. I’ve never said anything about thibs since he’s been here. I’m like u— I believe it’s a players league— coaching only goes so far.
And you hit on it—obi brings athletic energy that we don’t have much of. Forget stats. Toronto and Orlando kicked our ass because they played a harder 48 minutes-your stats tend to be better when u play harder. Would ibis overall gifts be better for the Knicks if he took 12 min from the 5 position? Again players league obi is probably the best player of the 3 given a chance. And it also kick starts the team— moves it out of a comfort zone — I’d think we’d play faster.
I saw enough of the way Grimes and iq played in sl to get a feel for who the better player is. Grimes looks a lot like Allan houston. I’d play that player. IQs upside is very limited because of his erratic game lack of burst and size. He’s forced to shoot his 3s from 30 feet—he can have a hit game YEs but he’s gonna stay inconsistent because of degree of difficulty in his game.
I’m sorry grandma thibs if I’ve hit a nerve. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable thought process
