KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?

There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.

We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.

One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.

KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..

knicks1248 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?

There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.

We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.

One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.

KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..

Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?

There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.

We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.

One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.

KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..

Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines

"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.

Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..

Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?

There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.

We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.

One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.

KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..

Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines

No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong

"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.

Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..

Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.

That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.

Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.

Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.

Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,

Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay

Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.

For us to take a step forward and become a contender, we would need to see the following:
1) Randle continuing to be the Randle he was last season
2) RJ becoming accurate on them turnaround mamba shots
3) Kemba staying healthy
4) Mitch staying healthy and mastering a 10-foot jump shot
5) EF improving on defense
6) Another step forward by OBI and IQ, so they get consistent productive 20 minutes a game each

Also, Knicks1248, KP threw his tantrum because the Knicks were not willing to immediately extend him. It was that simple. If the Knicks had been willing to extend him, his fragile butt would have still been here. And given how Dallas seems to be trying to get rid of him, I think the Knicks dodged a major bullet not tying themselves to KP as the “leader” of the team. Randle has been a much more stable and productive main man for the team. The Knicks sucked, you don’t have to keep reminding us. We were all there. The team is better now. Let go of the hate and enjoy our success.

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?

There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.

We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.

One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.

KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..

Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines

No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong

"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.

Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..

Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.

Actions speak louder than words. Gullible and naive to take NBA players or GM’s words to heart. Not that they are lying, its that they have different agendas. KP said all kinds of things that made him look like he loved knicks. We demonize him and Janis but the fact is knicks did not want to give him the contract at that time. It was business.
Things change and quickly. thus if you want to hang on quotes then remember the context of the moment. Your lazy so you don’t do that. You bend narratives to suite your arguement which is far more important than solid contributions to elevate collective thought and interesting conversation. YOu make stupid comments then have to back it up weakly.

So if you vilify Mills and Frank for example your not able to understand that things change and thats not a bad reflection you unless you make proclamations and keep backing it up.

Frank fans wanted frank to succeed. You thought he wouldn’t. OK. We all have opinions. Basking i self gratification over his lack of progress for most fans is seen as a missed opportinity and an asset in decline is not good. Nope, Rainman bragged of his own opinion.

Its why your so loved by many here. Vanity never is a good look for anyone!
Does Nalod bask in the ignorance of knicks1248? It does not make me feel good to point out inaccurate arrogance. It’s annoying to others and myself.

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?

There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.

We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.

One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.

KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..

Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines

No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong

"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.

Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..

Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.

That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.

Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.

Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.

Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,

Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay

Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.

If we extended him in October he would have sang a different tune. Big man with an ACL issue, would have been imprudent to do so.

Not sure what your argument is. That we were losing? That you wish KP was still here?

That you would undo the KP deal?

Every party you are defending/attacking are gone.

Team is on an upswing and you are hung up on KP not wanting to be here cause we were tanking?

You won’t convince me that KP wouldn’t have accepted that extension in October.

Kristaps Porzingis' Brother Says That Money Will Not Ensure KP Signs An Extension With The Knicks Quickly
Clem
Clem
11/02/2017 5:12 PM
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NYDN- Kristaps Porzingis skipped his exit interview to prompt change in the Knicks since Carmelo Anthony never did it himself. And when it comes to Porzingis signing a long-term extension, the Latvian is in no rush and expects to be treated like a superstar. Both those nuggets were revealed by Porzingis’ older brother and agent, Janis, who spoke recently with Latvian website Sportcentrs.

“(Skipping the exit interview) wasn’t an emotional decision,” Janis said, according to a translation from Eurohoops.net. “It wasn’t a spontaneous action. We had been thinking about it for a long time and it was considered an honest, well-thought decision we came up with together. It was a logical next step for us, without which we would’ve been in one situation, but now after we did it – we are in another.”

Kristaps is eligible for a five-year maximum extension this summer, but recently told the Daily News he still needs to see change from the Knicks before a commitment. Janis warned that if the Knicks don’t keep his brother happy he could decide to move elsewhere. “The most important question here is this: What do you really want to achieve in your career?” Janis said. “Because money – if Kristaps performs at least on his normal level, is gonna come. We are more focused on some other values and not just to quickly sign a new contract so we can collect the money. That’s definitely not our goal, so we won’t be feverishly counting minutes or counting points. You can’t escape the reality and the Knicks must also see that. “From their point of view, Kristaps is the focal point at the moment so you cannot upset him much or otherwise, at the end of the season, he will say ‘it’s not so cool here.’ The second question is: Who is the New York audience coming to watch now? To a large extent, it’s Kristaps. So the organization has to take that into account.”

Speak your **** Janis! Speak your ****! As if I couldn’t love Janis Porzingis enough for simply sharing a womb and a last name with my favorite basketball player, he goes out and puts in the Knicks dumpster fire on notice. And not only that, he threw a few shots #Me7o’s way as well.

Janis seemed to find it contradictory that Kristaps was labeled unprofessional while Anthony was lauded for the way he handled last season. “It’s interesting how many people who are even somehow involved in all of this, have criticized it afterward as something so unprofessional!! Just look at Melo, how he is handling things,” Janis said. “And I’m thinking, ‘wait a minute.’ In reality, if he for once decided to fight for something, we wouldn’t be in this situation and Kristaps wouldn’t be forced to take all the damage on himself. It wasn’t done for some personal interest or ambitions or dislike for someone, it was for the sake of overall peace. “It should have been a task for the team’s leaders, but Melo and people around him never tried to change anything.”
Swoooooooon. I guess when your brother is the best athlete playing in New York right now and you have the looks of a model, you can say what you want to say. I’ve never seen mink worn so well in my life.

He says they wasn't thinking about the $$$, the knicks thinking plan was saving 10 mill and resigning him after FA started so they could go over the cap if they landed a couple of big fish

why would quote ****ing Janis

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

Didn’t we get Randle with cap space KP trade provided?

There are those who say we could have signed Randle anyway, but I don't see that happening if we held on to His Doucheness. Not to mention the signing of players like Morris (who became IQ), Burks, Bullock, Noel, etc., and the use of that cap freedom up to the present moment.

We had like 70 mill in cap and over paid a bunch of role players.

One could argue that we got IQ, but Morris's impact was much more than IQ, and Im sure we would have beated ATL with Morris.

KP said I want to win, I want to see progress, Mills said, we don't, we want to tank for Zion..

Impressive achievement to get so many things wrong in a post that only has 3 lines

No you and your BFF (steve Mills) got it wrong

"KP is engaged, and we're in a good place with him," team president Steve Mills said at a fan event last month.

Do you really want me to make you look even more silly and pull KPs quotes..

Morris was the leader on this team BY far, shooting 40% from 3...should i pull his stats.

That quote is from September 2018 before the Knicks elected not to give him a Rookie extension by the October 2018 deadline.

Morris was an UFA after we traded him for a draft pick. He only had a one year contract (no team option). All arguments that we would have had him for the ATL playoffs must fail because we had every opportunity to resign him after that season if both parties wanted to. We did not. Best argument is that the trade enabled the Clippers to use the Non-bird exception to sign Morris (creating a competitor in the market for Morris that didn't exist before we traded him). That doesn't defeat the argument that we could have still wanted him if both Knicks and Morris were willing to move forward.

Morris' toughness would have been helpful vs the Hawks. Just not sure we were going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Knicks haven't given out many 4 year contracts until this year. Can't really say they would have.

Kp was tired of the losing and dysfunction with the franchise, and as FANS we were too,

Morris decided to be part of a winning culture, and he build a nice little relationship with those guys so he decided to stay

Either way That regime is gone, KP is gone and were on to bigger and better things..It just bothers me how some fans just hating on a player even though he was the 4th player in 4 yrs to request a trade off the knicks under MILLS..Melo, Kuz, Herm, KP..it was some else I can't remember.

If we extended him in October he would have sang a different tune. Big man with an ACL issue, would have been imprudent to do so.

Not sure what your argument is. That we were losing? That you wish KP was still here?

That you would undo the KP deal?

Every party you are defending/attacking are gone.

Team is on an upswing and you are hung up on KP not wanting to be here cause we were tanking?

You won’t convince me that KP wouldn’t have accepted that extension in October.

Kristaps Porzingis' Brother Says That Money Will Not Ensure KP Signs An Extension With The Knicks Quickly
Clem
Clem
11/02/2017 5:12 PM
12
janis

NYDN- Kristaps Porzingis skipped his exit interview to prompt change in the Knicks since Carmelo Anthony never did it himself. And when it comes to Porzingis signing a long-term extension, the Latvian is in no rush and expects to be treated like a superstar. Both those nuggets were revealed by Porzingis’ older brother and agent, Janis, who spoke recently with Latvian website Sportcentrs.

“(Skipping the exit interview) wasn’t an emotional decision,” Janis said, according to a translation from Eurohoops.net. “It wasn’t a spontaneous action. We had been thinking about it for a long time and it was considered an honest, well-thought decision we came up with together. It was a logical next step for us, without which we would’ve been in one situation, but now after we did it – we are in another.”

Kristaps is eligible for a five-year maximum extension this summer, but recently told the Daily News he still needs to see change from the Knicks before a commitment. Janis warned that if the Knicks don’t keep his brother happy he could decide to move elsewhere. “The most important question here is this: What do you really want to achieve in your career?” Janis said. “Because money – if Kristaps performs at least on his normal level, is gonna come. We are more focused on some other values and not just to quickly sign a new contract so we can collect the money. That’s definitely not our goal, so we won’t be feverishly counting minutes or counting points. You can’t escape the reality and the Knicks must also see that. “From their point of view, Kristaps is the focal point at the moment so you cannot upset him much or otherwise, at the end of the season, he will say ‘it’s not so cool here.’ The second question is: Who is the New York audience coming to watch now? To a large extent, it’s Kristaps. So the organization has to take that into account.”

Speak your **** Janis! Speak your ****! As if I couldn’t love Janis Porzingis enough for simply sharing a womb and a last name with my favorite basketball player, he goes out and puts in the Knicks dumpster fire on notice. And not only that, he threw a few shots #Me7o’s way as well.

Janis seemed to find it contradictory that Kristaps was labeled unprofessional while Anthony was lauded for the way he handled last season. “It’s interesting how many people who are even somehow involved in all of this, have criticized it afterward as something so unprofessional!! Just look at Melo, how he is handling things,” Janis said. “And I’m thinking, ‘wait a minute.’ In reality, if he for once decided to fight for something, we wouldn’t be in this situation and Kristaps wouldn’t be forced to take all the damage on himself. It wasn’t done for some personal interest or ambitions or dislike for someone, it was for the sake of overall peace. “It should have been a task for the team’s leaders, but Melo and people around him never tried to change anything.”
Swoooooooon. I guess when your brother is the best athlete playing in New York right now and you have the looks of a model, you can say what you want to say. I’ve never seen mink worn so well in my life.

He says they wasn't thinking about the $$$, the knicks thinking plan was saving 10 mill and resigning him after FA started so they could go over the cap if they landed a couple of big fish

Your quote is a year earlier WHILE his ACL still connected his femur to his tibia and JUST after Horny called him a p***y.

knicks1248 wrote:

FrenchFreak wrote:I absolutely love the KP trade tree. It’s almost silly at this point but it shows all the dominoes that fall when you move one player in a league with a salary cap. it’s fascinating.

In the case of KP you could argue that- even ignoring all the dominoes that have fallen since- the winner of the trade was the team that didn’t sign KP to a max contract. 😂

I would still take KP over Mitch, Simms and Noel

He's a much better fit with Randle then those guys

I swear, you're just trying to bait Nalod with stuff like this.

gradyandrew wrote:As far as offseason grades go，you can only play the hand your dealt right? Knicks were able to get Fournier and Kemba from Boston for nothing，while Celtics surrendered a first and 2 second round picks to replace them with Schroeder，Richardson， and Horford. Since it's a zero sum game， weakening a division rival while improving is a solid win.

I'm not convinced that Walker is a bigger injury concern than Lowry. Years and mileage add up. Ditto for PJ. Heat look both injury prone and shallow.

Someone has got to explain why the Pelicans were happy to trade players and picks to replace Lonzo Ball with Devonte Graham before I am convinced that he's a game changer. It's a head scratcher， perhaps Pelicans know something we don't. Thad Young seems like a better fit for the Bulls than DeRozan， especially with the picks they gave up.

If you want to give Pistons credit for drafting Cade and BKN credit for resigning KD，fine. Don't forget to congratulate yourself for putting your underwear on before your pants.

The only team I think that really had a better offseason were the Wizards. Over a calendar year they were able to turn the worst contract in NBA history (I don't think it's even close) into a deep and reliable team.

Complaining about trading the Hornets the Kai Jones pick is silly，unless the argument is that they should have drafted Grimes and McBride earlier. That pick was the difference in being able to sign Kemba. OKC had 20 million reasons to cut Kemba when they did.

Good stuff. FYI.....as a point of reference Marcus Camby on NBA TV this AM was saying the Nets had the best offseason based on the signing of Patty Mills. He included the Warriors, Bulls and Heat in his top 5. These guys always go with the front runners and big/splash headlines instead of applying any critical thought at all.