Welpee wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Only sign that we were out coached that I saw was the congratulations to Randle on that cheap shot. Just a bad play and a bad look. The fact that the young team was happy with that shows me they need more coaching. Randle needs to do better. I don’t even care if he gives a hard foul on a basketball play to make a statement. The statement he made was that he is an amateur and not in control of his emotions.

I see it differently. Apparently Gallo did or said something chippy to Bullock and Randle retaliated. If anything, they were giving their approval for defending his teammate. Not that I'm on board with any of this, but that's how I saw it and don't see it has a coaching issue.

That’s exactly what happened. Not disputing the facts of him standing up for his guy. I’m saying it was a poor way to make that statement.

Randle forced his shot. Again. It was emotional. Out of control. And wrong. You want to call a hard pick? Love it. You see him driving and you want to give a hard foul. Go ahead. That forced push on the ball handler? Meh. That just looks dumb. The message sent is that the Knicks will lose the next game cause they are out of control and mentally defeated.

I’m not angry with the Knicks this season, but to take the next step they need to do better than this. It was a forced shot and the ball caromed off the rim.

It’s a coaching issue for me cause they need to reel Randle in a bit. He is on tilt.

Send a message to the team that it’s time to fight. Young has been laughing his ass off all series long, getting away with trick fouls.

Simmons and Rusillo couldn’t believe that the Knicks were giving Young a free pass. Essentially letting him float on Bullock. Which I think has been the problem with Thibs. Not once do they ever try to exploit him. He’s weak and can’t defend if you’re not going to make him work you’re going to lose.

How about getting Gallo in a pick and roll. The guy literally can’t move laterally. Attack the matchups that you can win.

He’s definitely in a tough position with the lack of talent, shooting and creating, but their needs to be some adjustments.

MS wrote:Honestly, that was the first thing all series I liked from Randle. You could see it meant a lot to Bullock.

Send a message to the team that it’s time to fight. Young has been laughing his ass off all series long, getting away with trick fouls.

Simmons and Rusillo couldn’t believe that the Knicks were giving Young a free pass. Essentially letting him float on Bullock. Which I think has been the problem with Thibs. Not once do they ever try to exploit him. He’s weak and can’t defend if you’re not going to make him work you’re going to lose.

How about getting Gallo in a pick and roll. The guy literally can’t move laterally. Attack the matchups that you can win.

He’s definitely in a tough position with the lack of talent, shooting and creating, but their needs to be some adjustments.

I know the young guys liked it. Symbolically they wanted that. But it looked forced. Looked contrived and there were better ways to make that statement.

Looked like Gallo snuck behind Bully and elbowed him in the back. Couldn’t tell how hard from the angle, but for a guy that had back problems, I’m sure it pissed him off cause there wasn’t really a reason for it based on positioning.

Randle basically forced the issue to give Gallo a light push when he was handling the ball. It was a pretty weak and childish response in my opinion. If you watch the below video, look at Derrick Rose watching Randle and the younger players celebrate. His eyes are telling. It’s fake tough.

I’m with Derrick Rose.

xblvdels3 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

joec32033 wrote:When ATL's best player is raising his game and the Knicks' 2 best players are sliding back, there isn't alot coaching can do about it. Randle is missing shots he made during the season. He isn't passing well and honestly I don't see the passion he had during the season for whatever reason. Doesn't help that their shooting overall as a team (minus Rose) has gone to ****.

That isn't coaching. Young's game is tailor made for this NBA. Give him any space he shoots, crowd him he is fast enough to go around you.

Make no mistake. This is a player performance issue.

When your best player is a PG...and 2nd best player is a center, it's very hard to win against that. With us, our best players are not at PG or center, so that minimizes our adjustments. PGs control the game....Centers control the paint. This team needs to find a star or up and coming star PG. And a star or up and coming star center. Right now we have backups in those positions and Randle at PF as our only all star. That's a bad recipe for any serious playoff runs.

There's only so much adjustments thibs can make.

This is why the hawks scared me before the series started. I wrote on an earlier post about Jeff van gundy comment that they were better. Jfk keeps it real. He was being honest. I knew tray young’s talent would crush our defensive game.

But we actually had all star performance by rose so far. So yes basically just Randle and RJ not performing. Rose is matching tray youngs impact on the game.

It’s Randle and RJ... it’s not coaching. Make plays guys. Get buckets!

Disclaimer: the hawks are not better if RJ and Randle performs!!

Not one game has our key performers put a stamp on their arrival in the playoffs!

I’m looking for min 23 points from both both players.

When a team go up against a star center (Embid or Gobert) .. The coach should be working on getting the star-center in foul trouble in transition-plays and half-court plays, so around Game-3 or Game-4 he fouls-out.

A high scoring PG .. u let (Trae, Curry, Lillard) score! but a defensive-coach (Spurs Pop or JVG) would put several defenders on Trae with one duty, STOP Trae's passing game.

Payton & Barrett should be at the top of the key distributing ball-movement to each other and to a moving Bullock or Randle down-low coming around a screen form Noel to start our offensive-play.

Randle at the top of the key to facilitate the ball on every offensive-possession worked in the regular season, but in the postseason it's a sweep!

Taking D.Rose & Taj Gibson out of our 'come from behind' 2nd unit lineup for two games gave us 2 awful performance losses.
The first two games D.Rose & Taj were on the 2nd-unit lineup and we went 1-1 .... Yeah! Thibs postseason strategy is the 1-3 PITS !!!

Shoot better than 39 percent and everything changes.

Welpee wrote:

misterearl wrote:Thibs cannot shoot.

Shoot better than 39 percent and everything changes.

It's an example of this video game society where people think coaches can just grab an x-box controller to manage everything that happens on the court. This game is still being played by humans.

Heh, let's do this. What's a coaches job then? Emotional support? Sure. How about putting the best 5 players on the court at a given situation considering matchups? That's being questioned by posters. How about having a defensive game plan against the opposing best player? Again , that's being questioned. How about offensive sets? You know, to get them easy buckets? Do we have that? Not really. What do we have then?
" Julius, when they double you that's when you find an open player and pass the ball" That's Fizdale level coaching right there. That's what we have this series so far. X's and O's?Nope haven't heard of them. Off the ball screens to free up shooters? Nah Backdoor cuts? What are those? PnR Rose to Randle? tasty and effective One freaking time in 4 games. Dont need no Xbox controller for those things

ramtour420 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

misterearl wrote:Thibs cannot shoot.

Shoot better than 39 percent and everything changes.

It's an example of this video game society where people think coaches can just grab an x-box controller to manage everything that happens on the court. This game is still being played by humans.

Heh, let's do this. What's a coaches job then? Emotional support? Sure. How about putting the best 5 players on the court at a given situation considering matchups? That's being questioned by posters. How about having a defensive game plan against the opposing best player? Again , that's being questioned. How about offensive sets? You know, to get them easy buckets? Do we have that? Not really. What do we have then?
" Julius, when they double you that's when you find an open player and pass the ball" That's Fizdale level coaching right there. That's what we have this series so far. X's and O's?Nope haven't heard of them. Off the ball screens to free up shooters? Nah Backdoor cuts? What are those? PnR Rose to Randle? tasty and effective One freaking time in 4 games. Dont need no Xbox controller for those things

2) "putting the best 5 players on the court at a given situation considering matchups" - what does that even mean? Again, Thibs has been constantly trying different lineups. If the players aren't producing what do you expect him to do, go in the lab and clone Lebron and Kahwi and throw them on the court.

3) Yeah, it's just that easy. Create plays for easy baskets because you're opponent is not trying to stop you from scoring.

4) So when Randle was passing out of the double teams, fans criticized him for being too passive. When he's being aggressive you want him to pass the ball more? Geez!

5) So you're expectation is for Thibs to completely change what we've been doing all year and suddenly implement some quasi Princeton offense?

How about this...THIS IS A FLAWED TEAM!!!! When you have an overachieving team eventually the clock hits midnight. Sorry if you didn't notice that our margin for error ALL SEASON has been very narrow and that we were winning a ton of game by the skin of our teeth. Sorry if you expected these monster performances by Burks and Bullock to continue. There's a reason Thibs was getting coach of the year consideration...this roster isn't that good. He had us overachieving! Sorry if you got fooled into thinking this was an elite team. And guess what, it's OK. This is just year one of the turnaround. If you were expecting a complete turnaround in less than one year, I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, Thibs is getting outcoached because the guy on the other sideline has more to work with. Also, this season is not over. Every time we had a bad stretch of games the pitchforks were pull out for Thibs. Then we get back on track and Thibs is a genius. Let's see what happens tomorrow night.

MS wrote:Trae Young is 6'1, 180 pounds.

We have seen him posted up once all series. Bullock who never drives and just spots up has been his primary defensive assignment. He hasn't been bumped to the floor once. I don't care how good he is, if the player isn't working at all on defense and you haven't made it uncomfortable for him, you're not coaching. Frank should have had a couple real minutes on the guy. Rose can't chase him around.

We are offensively limited everyone knows that, but they don't ever run a pick a roll for toppin, rarely do we see quickly get screened for to free him up.

Game 1 - inbounds play? WTF is our best player in game 1 Alec Burks taking the ball with 0.9 seconds for. Frank on Trae cold was also a mistake in the final sequence.

I love Thibs. He needs to do better.

I know people are frustrated and Thibs is the easy and convenient target using the ever popular "adjustments" rationale. However, I have a hard time blaming someone for us not continuing to overachieve. If Thibs did everything all of these internet coaching experts are proposing and we were still down 3-1, there would be another laundry list of stuff Thibs would get blamed for not doing.

Now we're seeing posts from people who want to blow this thing up already and start over AGAIN and chase after lottery picks hoping to luck into finding a franchise player. Can't believe people are so quick to transition from hope to despair within a weeks time.